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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/7/2018 4:41:29 PM

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The root of the route of rout

The origin or philology of the word

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 1:58:20 AM

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If you use the wrong route it might end in a rout.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 3:34:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Did you set your small destroyers squadron route voluntarily in a way such to intercept after the shore bombardment?

If so, why with only 2 destroyers and not 3 or 4? To lessen the risk and squadron's detection?

If so, a jem, worth embedding in WITPAE annals.

Yes, I plotted the route to avoid the bombardment force on the way in hoping to catch either it on the way back, or an ambib TF on the way in or dallying, or the covering American Carrier force.

I only used 2 destroyers, because the IJN fleet is spread out, re-armament is at Parashimuro.

Low surface threat was selected, so as to launch torpedoes and run...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 3:52:58 PM

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3rd Week of July 1942

Cat and Mouse game here in the Aleutians...most of the Allied navy is here including POW and Repulse. 100 Allied Fighters flying LRCAP over Amchitka

So far the Allies pretty much like big task forces with multiple ship types in them including mine sweepers.

Americans have landed a 2nd contingent of troops on Amchitka, the 32nd Division...now up to 17 AV.

Hard to see how there won't be fireworks on the morrow...the American Battelships should be rearmed...thunderstorms and 67% moonlight.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 8:10:36 PM

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 8:11:25 PM

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quote:

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quote:

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Did you set your small destroyers squadron route voluntarily in a way such to intercept after the shore bombardment?

If so, why with only 2 destroyers and not 3 or 4? To lessen the risk and squadron's detection?

If so, a jem, worth embedding in WITPAE annals.

Yes, I plotted the route to avoid the bombardment force on the way in hoping to catch either it on the way back, or an ambib TF on the way in or dallying, or the covering American Carrier force.

I only used 2 destroyers, because the IJN fleet is spread out, re-armament is at Parashimuro.

Low surface threat was selected, so as to launch torpedoes and run...

Just wonderful

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 10:45:43 PM

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July 22, 1942

Amchitka's wireless lights up...invasion fleet spotted, landing...send help!

Only three of the Allies six battleships are spotted so far...where are they? The moderns?

Invasion Support action off Amchitka Island (158,52)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

33 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Kane
APD Gregory

DD Kane fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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TF 189 encounters mine field at Amchitka Island (158,52)

Allied Ships
DMS Chandler
DMS Long
DMS Perry
DMS Dorsey
DMS Lamberton
DMS Boggs
DMS Fox
APD Waters
BB New Mexico, Mine hits 1

42 mines cleared

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Pre-Invasion action off Amchitka Island (158,52)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

46 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
BB Nevada
DD Maury
APD Crosby
DD Dunlap

Japanese ground losses:
540 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

BB New Mexico firing at Kure 5th SNLF
BB Idaho firing at Kure 5th SNLF
BB Nevada firing at 8th JNAF AF Unit
DD Maury firing at Kure 5th SNLF
DD Maury fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

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Amphibious Assault at Amchitka Island (158,52)

TF 189 troops unloading over beach at Amchitka Island, 158,52

Allied ground losses:
194 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (0 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

13 troops of a USA 41 Rifle Squad lost in surf during unload of 32nd Infantry Div /31

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 10:49:10 PM

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Once again, the one day late to spring the big trap...but the IJN had analyzed the Allied tactical stratagems, and decided that this worthless little island, a destroyer rush could cause maximum damage for minimum downside while the IJN heavies stayed fresh, and safe....

The first destroyer squadron in...and they land two torpedoes. Allied fleet composition is perfectly composed for the destroyer rush.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shiranui, Shell hits 1
DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
DD Oshio

Allied Ships
BB Nevada
BB Idaho, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1
BB New Mexico, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1
DD O'Brien
DD Walke, Shell hits 1
DD Maury
DD Dunlap
DMS Fox
APD Stringham
APD Waters
APD Crosby
DMS Boggs
DMS Lamberton
DMS Dorsey
DMS Perry
DMS Long
DMS Chandler
AP Henderson
xAP Mount Vernon
xAP President Coolidge
xAP Maui
xAP Princess Joan
xAP Empress ' Scotland
xAP Idomeneus
xAP Noordam
xAP Am. Press, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAP Agwimonte
xAP Perida

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching! How in the world is this a surprise?
Allied TF begins to get underway
Reduced visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
BB Nevada collides with APD Crosby at 158 , 52
DD Oshio engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards
DD Hagikaze engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Shiranui at 4,000 yards
DD Oshio engages BB New Mexico at 4,000 yards
DD Hagikaze engages BB Idaho at 4,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Shiranui at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB New Mexico engages DD Hagikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Hagikaze sunk by BB Idaho at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Oshio engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards
DD Shiranui engages BB Idaho at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 2,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Shiranui at 2,000 yards
DD Shiranui engages xAP Am. Press at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Oshio engages BB New Mexico at 3,000 yards
BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 3,000 yards
BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 3,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Shiranui at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB New Mexico engages DD Shiranui at 2,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 10:56:33 PM

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2nd Squadron in...scratch one battleship!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 6,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Yamagumo

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Shell hits 13
BB Idaho, Shell hits 9, on fire
BB New Mexico, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD O'Brien
DD Walke, Shell hits 1
DD Maury
DD Dunlap
DMS Fox
APD Stringham
APD Waters
APD Crosby
DMS Boggs
DMS Lamberton
DMS Dorsey
DMS Perry
DMS Long
DMS Chandler
AP Henderson
xAP Mount Vernon
xAP President Coolidge
xAP Maui
xAP Princess Joan
xAP Empress ' Scotland
xAP Idomeneus
xAP Noordam
xAP Am. Press, heavy fires
xAP Agwimonte
xAP Perida

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Poor visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages BB Idaho at 6,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Walke at 6,000 yards
DMS Perry collides with APD Crosby at 158 , 52 Crosby again!
DD Yamagumo engages BB New Mexico at 6,000 yards
DD Walke engages DD Tanikaze at 6,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 6,000 yards
DD Walke engages DD Yamagumo at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
BB New Mexico sunk by DD Tanikaze at 4,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Yamagumo engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Yamagumo engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Walke engages DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Tanikaze at 3,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Tanikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Walke at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Yamagumo at 2,000 yards
DD Tanikaze sunk by BB Nevada at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
AP Henderson , xAP Perida , xAP Agwimonte ,
xAP Am. Press , xAP Noordam , xAP Idomeneus ,
xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Princess Joan , xAP Maui ,
xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat
- escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke ,
DD O'Brien , DMS Chandler , DMS Long
DD Yukikaze engages BB Nevada at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
AP Henderson , xAP Perida , xAP Agwimonte ,
xAP Am. Press , xAP Noordam , xAP Idomeneus ,
xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Princess Joan , xAP Maui screened from combat
- escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke ,
DD O'Brien , DMS Chandler , DMS Long
BB Idaho engages DD Yukikaze at 7,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Yukikaze at 7,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 11:01:42 PM

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3rd Squadron in, all squadrons set to flank speed, low threat, direct (air), and Buildr Island home port.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kuroshio, Shell hits 1
DD Minegumo
DD Yomogi

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Idaho, Shell hits 11, on fire
DD O'Brien
DD Walke
DD Maury
DD Dunlap
DMS Fox
APD Stringham
APD Waters
APD Crosby
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 2
DMS Lamberton
DMS Dorsey
DMS Perry
DMS Long
DMS Chandler
AP Henderson, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Mount Vernon
xAP President Coolidge
xAP Maui
xAP Princess Joan
xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 2
xAP Idomeneus
xAP Noordam, Shell hits 5, on fire
xAP Am. Press, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Agwimonte
xAP Perida, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (7 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (28 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Poor visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 6,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 6,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Kuroshio at 6,000 yards
xAP Perida sunk by DD Kuroshio at 6,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages xAP Am. Press at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AP Henderson at 5,000 yards
DD Dunlap engages DD Minegumo at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Yomogi at 4,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 4,000 yards
AP Henderson sunk by DD Kuroshio at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 2,000 yards
DD Yomogi engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DMS Lamberton at 2,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages xAP Noordam at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Yomogi engages DD Dunlap at 3,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 3,000 yards
DD Dunlap engages DD Kuroshio at 3,000 yards
DD Yomogi engages DD O'Brien at 3,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 3,000 yards
DD O'Brien engages DD Yomogi at 3,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 3,000 yards
DD O'Brien engages DD Kuroshio at 3,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DMS Boggs at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Minegumo at 4,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 4,000 yards
DD Yomogi engages DD Dunlap at 4,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DMS Long at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
DD O'Brien engages DD Yomogi at 3,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Minegumo at 3,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 11:06:46 PM

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The final squadron in...now, I wish I had sent the heavies...but the American Carriers are out there somewhere, as is a size 6 airbase...so, maybe I am not to sad that I didn't send in the heavies.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Amchitka Island at 158,52, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yugure
DD Yanagi

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
BB Idaho, Shell hits 9, heavy fires
DD O'Brien
DD Walke
DD Maury
DD Dunlap
DMS Fox
APD Stringham, Shell hits 1
APD Waters
APD Crosby, Shell hits 3
DMS Boggs, on fire
DMS Lamberton
DMS Dorsey
DMS Perry
DMS Long
DMS Chandler
xAP Mount Vernon
xAP President Coolidge
xAP Maui
xAP Princess Joan
xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 2
xAP Idomeneus, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
xAP Noordam, heavy fires
xAP Am. Press, and is sunk
xAP Agwimonte

Allied ground losses:
129 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Reduced visibility due to Rain with 67% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 67% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Allied ships attempt to get underway
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
DD Walke engages DD Yanagi at 6,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Walke at 6,000 yards
DD Dunlap engages DD Yugure at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Yanagi engages DD Dunlap at 4,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Dunlap at 4,000 yards
DD Dunlap engages DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages APD Stringham at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards
DD Yanagi engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Walke engages DD Yanagi at 4,000 yards
DD Dunlap engages DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards
DD Yanagi engages DD Walke at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Yanagi at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards
DD Walke collides with DMS Fox at 158 , 52
BB Idaho engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Walke at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages APD Crosby at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages xAP Idomeneus at 2,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Dunlap at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD O'Brien at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 2,000 yards
BB Idaho engages DD Yanagi at 2,000 yards
BB Nevada engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages xAP Idomeneus at 2,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 11:11:03 PM

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On the fourth squadrons attack, the task force was dispersed according to the battle replay, but I cannot find confirming intelligence on this in any Japanese report. I wonder what exactly this means?

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 11:17:18 PM

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Big picture -- there is no strike against the destroyers which all make Buldir Island...oh, to have sent in the heavies last. Allied air power had 120 plane lrcap over the invasion fleet, and Japan didn't contest this at all...but is now poised and fresh.

Invasion Interruptus!

Ground combat at Amchitka Island (158,52)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1581 troops, 26 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Defending force 1702 troops, 72 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 64

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
Kure 5th SNLF
3rd Indpt SNLF Coy
53rd JNAF AF Unit
15th Naval Construction Battalion
8th JNAF AF Unit
3rd Mortar Bn /1

Defending units:
32nd Infantry Div /2
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
632nd TD Bn /1

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/8/2018 11:26:04 PM

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On the Chungking Plains...here in July, so much for Asian Roads slowing down the conquest of China. Kienko safely in Japanese hands with air support being flown in.

Ground combat at 78,42 (near Kienko - south)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 4527 troops, 127 guns, 587 vehicles, Assault Value = 251

Defending force 42200 troops, 248 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 686

Japanese adjusted assault: 296

Allied adjusted defense: 57

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 56 (3 destroyed, 53 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
17537 casualties reported
Squads: 534 destroyed, 83 disabled
Non Combat: 580 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 37 (19 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Units retreated 13

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
13th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
18th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
22nd Group Army
Jingcha War Area
12th Chinese Corps
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment
39th New Chinese Division
4th Chinese Base Force

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/9/2018 5:12:16 AM

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You may still be facing a multi-month siege of Chungking.

What's the VP situation looking like? I grow concerned that he may not be able to mount a counteroffensive in time to stave off an AV if you keep going like this for another 7-9 months.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/9/2018 4:46:16 PM

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Chungking won't fall for several months, correct.

VP ratio is 3.3, with Port Moresby invasion forming up now. However, I think I royally screwed up this turns orders with an accidental remain on station. We shall see...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/10/2018 1:12:46 PM

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No turn from the Allies...

I am hard pressed to understand the Allies overall goal given the tactics used. They pretty much did a masterful sir robyn after an early clash with Force Z. Then to throw it all away in early unsupported attacks on Tabby and now in the Aleutians.

Yeah, you could argue the game would be boring until mid/late 1943, but that is not my experience as there could be very interesting limited offensives in and around the NG, Solomons, etc., etc.

I wonder to what degree the IJN offensive against Ceylon prompted the Tabby response as a means of doing something? And then the Aluetians response, in response to the Tabby debacle, either to draw the fleet from Tabby and allow some rescue there or simply just to do something.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 12:41:05 AM

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Maybe they did a PQ-17 and scattered?

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 10:57:23 AM

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No turn from the Allies...

I am hard pressed to understand the Allies overall goal given the tactics used. They pretty much did a masterful sir robyn after an early clash with Force Z. Then to throw it all away in early unsupported attacks on Tabby and now in the Aleutians.

Yeah, you could argue the game would be boring until mid/late 1943, but that is not my experience as there could be very interesting limited offensives in and around the NG, Solomons, etc., etc.

I wonder to what degree the IJN offensive against Ceylon prompted the Tabby response as a means of doing something? And then the Aluetians response, in response to the Tabby debacle, either to draw the fleet from Tabby and allow some rescue there or simply just to do something.

All of those DEI battles in 42 in our game have honed your tactics of early war surface actions!

He's sending in forces like it's 44 and he's got 100 fletchers and the DS three hexes off to protect. Those old BBs are good points and you managed again to hit troops on ships. I say pour it on and send in the dogs!! This is fun to watch.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 12:50:53 PM

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Very exciting! And I'm also making notes on how Japan should use its destroyers for maximum efficiency

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 3:56:21 PM

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Super heavy night search to guide the surging Japanese task forces in...including Yamato!

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 3:57:49 PM

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Tone: sleek, fast and deadly. She starts with a nepotistic captain that gets sacked, and here she performs excellently.

The only engagement of the day...as Prince of Wales and company retreat.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Ulak Island at 160,52, Range 6,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Tone, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Idaho, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD O'Brien, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Walke
DD Maury
DD Dunlap
DMS Fox
APD Stringham
APD Waters
APD Crosby, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Lamberton
DMS Dorsey
DMS Perry, Shell hits 1, on fire
DMS Long
DMS Chandler
xAP Mount Vernon, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAP President Coolidge
xAP Maui
xAP Empress ' Scotland, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Agwimonte

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
CA Tone engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
CA Tone engages xAP Empress ' Scotland at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
CA Tone engages BB Idaho at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
BB Idaho sunk by CA Tone at 4,000 yards
CA Tone engages DD O'Brien at 4,000 yards
CA Tone engages DD O'Brien at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
CA Tone engages DMS Boggs at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Tone engages DD O'Brien at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD O'Brien sunk by CA Tone at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Tone engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards
CA Tone engages APD Crosby at 2,000 yards
CA Tone engages xAP Mount Vernon at 2,000 yards
APD Crosby sunk by CA Tone at 2,000 yards
Asakura, Bunji orders Japanese TF to disengage
CA Tone engages xAP Mount Vernon at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
xAP Agwimonte , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Maui ,
xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat
- escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke ,
DMS Chandler
Range increases to 12,000 yards
xAP Agwimonte , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Maui ,
xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat
- escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke ,
DMS Chandler , DMS Long
CA Tone engages DMS Perry at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
xAP Agwimonte , xAP Empress ' Scotland , xAP Maui ,
xAP President Coolidge , xAP Mount Vernon screened from combat
- escorted by DD Dunlap , DD Maury , DD Walke ,
DMS Chandler , DMS Long
CA Tone engages DMS Perry at 16,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 4:10:55 PM

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12 Destroyers and 1 Cruiser put a serious hurting on the Amchitka invasion force...but the IJN is now present in numbers and support ships and planes.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 4:14:39 PM

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Maybe they did a PQ-17 and scattered?

In examining the combat reports, when the convoy doesn't get scattered the destroyers break off and screen the troop transports from combat, but that also pulls those destroyers from combat.

In the final fight, the convoy disperses, and the destroyers rush forward to engage the Japanese attackers, and it was only on the last combat round that the Japanese ships were able to target some transports. Probably some kind of random targeting routine is at work with speed, dl, aggression, ship type as inputs.

So, in the first three combats, where the task force doesn't disperse, the destroyers are allocated at screening the troop transports -- leaving those slow battleships without enough destroyer screens.

The first combat the task force was caught unloading...
the 2nd and 3d combat three of four destroyers are screening transports...
fourth combat the task force disperses and there is a lot of destroyer v destroyer fights....

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 11:47:51 PM

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All of those DEI battles in 42 in our game have honed your tactics of early war surface actions!

He's sending in forces like it's 44 and he's got 100 fletchers and the DS three hexes off to protect. Those old BBs are good points and you managed again to hit troops on ships. I say pour it on and send in the dogs!! This is fun to watch.

I could never get away with these tactics with you, as you would have covering task forces.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/12/2018 11:49:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

Very exciting! And I'm also making notes on how Japan should use its destroyers for maximum efficiency

You have to understand that I crafted the destroyer task forces to counter a known threat with a forecast of very bad weather. It wouldn't work against different Allied fleet compositions or weather.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/16/2018 3:41:33 PM

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July 26, 1942

Only doing about a turn every 2-3 days right now...

Allies have retreated from the Aleutians...Japan's tenuous hold on the islands here is improving, and an invasion of Attu is about 20 days away.

Port Moresby invasion forces gathering and loading...want to get there before the Allies rotate from the Aleutians.

China going well, will envelop Chungking, take Chengtu next. Both Tank Divisions moving up from Canton now...

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/16/2018 3:51:47 PM

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"Darth Tone", damn!

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/22/2018 1:59:25 PM

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End of July 1942

The Amchitka invasion is fully destroyed with about 1/2 of an infantry division surrendering. Other fractional units surrender previously.

Attu is heavily bombarded, the invasion force is on its way.

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RE: Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies) - 10/22/2018 7:21:58 PM

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Fortress Chungking is now forming up. Moving in strength on Chengtu, which only has 1-2 Chinese Corp's defending there. The goal now
is to encircle Chungking and start to reducing the 400,000 troops there.

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