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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 10:29:06 AM   
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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 5:55:03 PM   
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Air losses this turn




Got to break some planes to make a... victory?

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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:18:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		When we report losses those are from the preceding Axis turn through our turn while of course they are going from our preceding turn through their turn. So the numbers are not going to be the same. So for our T8 AAR (coming soon) we have 287 Axis to 787 Soviet. Same battles, different metric.

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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:24:17 PM   
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Turn 8

This was a better turn for us that we had feared, but still the fascist invaders drive on into our Motherland. As they advance, we bleed them, and our resistance gives time for critical infrastructure to be relocated to the east.

In the northern region, our defenses around Pskov finally gave way to incessant pressure by German 18th Army, led by the best German commander, Model. One corps of 4th Panzer Group, LVI under Manstein, pushed farther into the swamps along the Lovat River, but did not cross in the daring push towards the Valdai Hills that we had feared. The other corps, XXXXI, remained relatively quiescent in the Shelon River area south of Lake Ilmen. It is possible that this corps conducted a headquarters buildup preparatory to a drive either to the north or southeast. 18th Army remains the only German infantry in this region, although it appears to be an overstrength army with at least 16 divisions. A reinforced corps pushed eastwards north of Lake Piepus towards the Estonian border at Narva





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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:25:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Farther to the south, 16th Army captured Velikie Luki, elements of 9th Army pushed northwards towards the Dvina headwaters, and 3rd Panzer Group launched its long-awaited offensive into the “seam” between the upper Dvina and Dnepr rivers. My “shoulder” defensive position held against what appears to have been a deliberate attack by LVII Panzer Corps. As a result, the advancing German armor was held to a four-hex penetration. Two motorized divisions formed the spearheads of this penetration, 20th to the northeast and 14th across the river to the northeast. Meanwhile, a line of infantry moved up to face my forces across the land bridge and southwards, with no attacks south of the armored salient. The troops in the land bridge itself were a mere screen of infantry regiments, letting Zhukov and our 13th Army know how much respect the Germans have for them. German infantry corps from different armies alternated in this region, perhaps suggesting command confusion. Elements of 2nd Army were spotted here as well. Two divisions that started the game assigned to 11th Army in Army Group South were spotted south of Smolensk – further evidence that the Axis consider this their main offensive thrust.




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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:27:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Between Gomel and Kiev, 2nd Panzer Group continued to slog its way through the marshes and across the major rivers. One Panzer Corps from this group is no longer in evidence; perhaps being transferred to the schwerpunkt to the north. German 17th Army is now massed around Kiev, but no attack has yet been made on the city. The Luftwaffe made a major effort to resupply elements of 2nd PG, responding no doubt to the serious supply difficulties in the region but perhaps also signaling an intended offensive.




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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:28:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The mass of German armor that menaced Cherkassy last turn moved southeastwards into the bend of the Dnepr, cutting off a few of our screening units but not breaching the river barrier. This represents a move back towards better supplies and could turn out well for them. Their reported CV values are quite high and at least one unit has over 50% fuel left at the end of its turn. However, there is a major river to cross before they can get to any targets of great strategic interest. And they still don’t have much infantry south of Cherkassy. Pretty much, 11th Army is it, along with a bunch of Romanians, and even 11th is understrength since at least two divisions have been transferred to 4th Army in the land bridge region.




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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:29:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the south, we took a defensive stance, faced with a large Panzer Group with plenty of gas. We established a solid line behind the Dnepr while the pocketed units broke their pocket. They will no doubt be wrapped up soon, but in the meantime they were able to restrict supply deliveries to the forward elements of 1st PG.

If 1st PG does have reserves of fuel, the defenders behind the river line are not very strong. It would not be surprising to find German tanks on the east shore of the river next turn. This is especially true in the southern part of 1st PG’s position, since those units were not limited in supply delivery by the movements of our pocketed troops. However, I don’t think there will be many of them and I estimate that they won’t be far from the river. The number of movement points necessary to drive through swamp and across a major river make it unlikely that the Axis could cut off Crimea or isolate either of the Dnepr cities this turn.





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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:31:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		North of Kiev, Bryansk Front ceded the left bank of the Dnepr to 2nd Panzer Group, falling back behind the Desna at Chernigov. Nortwest of Chernigov, a picket line of cavalry and poor-quality infantry formations stand ready to delay the advancing fascists, so we can hold Gomel and delay the other half of 2nd PG for another turn. It is conceivable that the two halves of 2nd PG could break through their respective fronts and unite behind Gomel, cutting off 33rd and 18th Armies. I don’t think the risk is too high both because of the terrain and because of 2nd PG’s poor supply situation in the southern half of its position. I expect that both river lines will be pierced next turn and we will be obliged to retreat, but I’m not expecting severe losses in this sector




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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:32:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The central sector is the Axis schwerpunkt, their principal area of effort. There, we put our best generals, best air squadrons, and most generous allocation of support units. I have established or strengthened “hedgehog” positions in swamps and behind rivers to slow the advancing fascist armor. Additionally, I counter attacked in several places along the flanks of their armored spearhead, narrowing it and impeding supply deliveries. That said, there is a weakness in our defenses here. Depending on how the Army Group Center commander handles things, 22nd and 29th Armies may be pocketed north of the upper Dvina. If the Germans turn due east, there is a fairly strong defense behind the upper Dnepr, but they could force a crossing of the river. They have infantry support now, though their infantry is spread out down the length of our front rather than being concentrated where it is needed. Still, they have plenty of movement and could concentrate for a few deliberate attacks against my front-line positions to clear the way for armored exploitation.

One of my counter-attacks in this sector failed, again despite a 4:1 superiority in displayed CV, good commanders, air support, plenty of SU… There was a discussion on the forum about this, and one experienced player mentioned that Soviet ammunition production is limited in the early turns. However, looking at the units that participated in the failed attack, I’m not seeing that they are anywhere near out of ammo. So it remains unclear why so many Soviet attacks fail in the summer of 1941.





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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:33:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Finally, to the north, we gave ground behind Pskov, fortifying the Plyussa line behind our boys. The defenses are significantly weaker to the east, in the swamps to the south of Lake Ilmen. The goal here is to encourage 4th Panzer Group to move northward rather than cooperating with their colleagues to the south. We also established a series of strongpoints in the Valdai Hills that will hopefully slow any breakthrough moves in that direction.





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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:35:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		We are shifting our method of allocating Support Units. We started with the method where you set all the HQ’s to support level 0 except STAVKA, which is set to 9. Thus, each Logistics Phase – at the start of your turn – your SU’s migrate up the chain of command one level. Then, before you attack, you allocate SU’s as needed, and then at the end of the turn you allocate them for defensive purposes. This means that each HQ has just what it needs at any moment and you aren’t spending AP on moving SU’s around (except for engineer units, which for some reason don’t move automatically). The last couple of turns, our Supremo, Sparkley, has shifted over to locking the support level and assigning SU’s semi-permanently to each HQ. He hasn’t had to use AP’s to shift any units around yet, in part because he has built enormous numbers. We are building few or no Sapper units, since they were nerfed in the latest patch. What we have is enormous numbers of mortar and artillery units, some AT, and lots of AA. Some HQ’s have dramatic allocations: at the end of turn 8, 20th Army, the force defending the left bank of the Dnepr near its source, to the east of 3rd Panzer Group’s salient in the land bridge region, has two Motorcycle Regiments, 4 Corps Artillery Regiments, a Heavy AA Battalion, two Sapper Regiments and two Battalions, 2 RR Construction Brigades, and seven Heavy Mortar Battalions. Sparkley likes the Heavy Mortar Battalions – despite their cost of 191 armaments, they pack an enormous punch and creating a battalion, six guns, costs only 1 AP.

Total losses this turn were 20,743 Axis to 89,968 for us. In the air, they lost 287 aircraft and we lost 748. 51 of their losses were fighters or fighter-bombers, above replacement levels. Quite a few of their squadrons are now showing under 50% of authorized strength. They lost 103 level bombers, continuing a strategic bombing campaign against our IL-2 factories in Voronezh that so far has had little success (they are up to 6% damage) and bombing our airbases pretty much wholesale. We are happy to see them seeking out air to air combat, since we out-produce them four or five to one in airframes. Total deployed manpower is 4,068,809 Soviet to 4,999,285 Axis (3,401,346 German). Deployed aircraft are 5,842 Soviet to 3,696 Axis (2,678 German).

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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 6:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Note: I'm posting these as I wrote them a couple months ago. We have subsequently discovered that those Heavy Mortar Battalions are not too useful because the USSR isn't producing any more of the 280mm guns. What you have at the beginning is what you have for the whole war. Regular mortar units are quite useful, though, with 36 120mm mortars.

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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 7:02:42 PM   
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Two divisions that started the game assigned to 11th Army in Army Group South were spotted south of Smolensk


Are you sure? Which ones?

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We are shifting our method of allocating Support Units. We started with the method where you set all the HQ’s to support level 0 except STAVKA, which is set to 9. Thus, each Logistics Phase – at the start of your turn – your SU’s migrate up the chain of command one level. Then, before you attack, you allocate SU’s as needed, and then at the end of the turn you allocate them for defensive purposes. This means that each HQ has just what it needs at any moment and you aren’t spending AP on moving SU’s around (except for engineer units, which for some reason don’t move automatically). The last couple of turns, our Supremo, Sparkley, has shifted over to locking the support level and assigning SU’s semi-permanently to each HQ.


As the Soviets will have HQs on or near rails, the logistical saving can be far less and this can make a lot of sense for a Soviet player in good supply, or indeed in static parts of the front for either side when in good supply. It does cut down on the number of clicks, and with every click there is a chance of making human errors so it is not only a labour saving feature. If there is no real benefit to allowing SUs to flow, it can actually be useful to lock HQs to make sure those pesky engineers and construction do not flow but stay where you want them to.

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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 9:53:56 PM   
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Two divisions that started the game assigned to 11th Army in Army Group South were spotted south of Smolensk


Are you sure? Which ones?



96th and 98th Infantry I thought started out with 11th Army in the south.

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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/30/2018 10:29:11 PM   
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Two divisions that started the game assigned to 11th Army in Army Group South were spotted south of Smolensk


Are you sure? Which ones?



96th and 98th Infantry I thought started out with 11th Army in the south.


Do they not arrive on turn 2 at Magdeburg in Germany - still assigned to OKH?





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RE: C4 AXIS AAR turn 8 - 10/31/2018 3:31:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah well, shows you what I know. I must have assigned them to 11th at one time and that got into my spreadsheet.

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AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:27:16 AM   
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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:29:28 AM   
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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:31:05 AM   
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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:35:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		In turn 8 16th Army captured Velikie Luki. This turn combined forces of AGN and AGC tried to move further to the east, aiming
for Rzehv. Hoping to pocket Soviet forces in the process.




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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:39:21 AM   
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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:40:39 AM   
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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:42:00 AM   
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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:43:37 AM   
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RE: AXIS AAR TURN 9 - 10/31/2018 9:45:27 AM   
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Soviet AAR Turn 9 - 10/31/2018 5:37:08 PM   
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The Axis team carried out their turn in two days, a record, I believe, for any multi-player game I have been in. At this rate, we will soon catch up with the 2by3+ game! Their enthusiasm for the game makes it a pleasure to play against them.

In the air this turn, many Axis bombing missions came in without fighter escort and yet encountered no Soviet fighters, even though they were in range of plenty of our bases. At first, we thought that they had switched over to night missions, and this is a possibility for at least some of their city bombing missions. However, more likely is that the fact that we were running at 300% interception level in our air preferences meant that all our fighters ran out of miles. They encouraged this by running a large number of pointless recon missions that, while they only draw up a few fighters, can still wear down our squadrons when there are hundreds of them. When the Axis ran us out of miles, they stopped sending fighters on their later bombing missions. Maybe they switched all their fighter squadrons to 1 range for their attacks, too – I noticed that some of their combat support air missions were also conducted without escort and met no fighter opposition. We will change the interception percentage for next turn and put a few squadrons of fighters on night missions and see what happens. We have just begun receiving the Pe-3 night fighters and in a few turns can start equipping squadrons with them. Be nice if the Brits would give us some radar sets…

The Axis move to night missions reinforces our sense that we are gaining the upper hand in the air. When I look over the Axis air bases, I see many squadrons with only a dozen or so ready aircraft (out of 40). They are still enthusiastically bombing our cities and airbases, but with fewer numbers each time. This turn, they flew long-range missions to bomb manpower in faraway cities in the Caucasus. This may be practice for city bombing missions against the Volga cities if they advance further – we may have to assign a few air bases to Volga military district and put some fighters back there (they could be newly-formed squadrons with low experience levels). If the Axis advance a little farther, their Do-217, He-111, and SM.79 bombers could reach the Volga. The He-177 long-range bombers could reach there from where they are, although they never get many of them. Again, the longer-ranged Pe-3’s could do some good here.

Their strategic bombing missions were more annoying than effective though. Their biggest success was putting the Lagg-3 factory in Taganrog up to 10% damage. If it gets up into the 25% range, we can just evacuate it to the east – it will probably have to go sometime anyway. We put a couple of fighter squadrons back by Voronezh this turn and the city bombing raids ended there.

On the ground, their northern front forces continued pressure against our front north of Pskov and in eastern Estonia, while the armored divisions of 4th Panzer Group moved south to join Army Group Center’s drive on Rzhev. The motorized divisions of 4th PG remained immobile in the Lovat River swamps and may have benefitted from a headquarters buildup. A corps of 16th Army has moved into this region, either to support a 4th PG push to the north or to substitute if the motorized units are being redeployed southwards.






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RE: Soviet AAR Turn 9 - 10/31/2018 5:38:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		We responded to the threat of a northwards push by thickening our defenses in the region south of Lake Ilmen. With such a small motorized group, and no panzers, it doesn’t appear they could go far even if they have a lot of movement points – they would just get cut off or have to disperse into regiments that we could easily counterattack. We moved into the last stage of the unmixing of North and Northwest Fronts as 7th Independent Army, down from the Finnish Front, takes over the Narva line from NW Front’s 8th Army. Elements of 24th Army, a STAVKA army, are still in the front line in the Pola/Lovat region, but are being replaced by NW Front units.






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RE: Soviet AAR Turn 9 - 10/31/2018 5:39:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the south, 4th Panzer Group’s armored divisions pushed into the southern hills region along the Velikie Luki-Torzhok rail line without making any attacks. One of our strongpoints was nearly isolated but the attack did not come close to making contact with 3rd Panzer Group’s salient coming from the south. A light screen of 16th Army’s infantry covered 4th PG’s northern flank, with several divisions of that army unaccounted for. Possibly, 16th is displacing to the north to replace or support 4th PG there. 9th Army is massed against Reserve Front between the two armored salients. 3rd Panzer Group extended its push to the north, while its southern flank continued to be held by light screening forces from 4th Army. Elements of 2nd Army, visible in this sector last turn, have once again gone underground – perhaps lousy reconnaissance by our forces or perhaps they are moving south to support 2nd PG in the Gomel-Chernigov region.






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RE: Soviet AAR Turn 9 - 10/31/2018 5:40:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the land bridge region, we adopted a defensive posture, making local counterattacks and withdrawing our overextended forces south of the Velikie Luki-Rzhev rail line. Two divisions remained behind, one on either side of the salient, to choke supply deliveries for the next turn. A new STAVKA army, 49th, was created to cover the crossings of the Volga north of Rzhev. Zhukov’s 13th Army extended Western Front’s area of operations several hexes to the north, freeing Reserve Front forces to thicken their lines to the north. With one and a half Panzer Groups operating here, and another just to the south in the Gomel area, we judge the center the most imperiled part of our line and most reinforcements are directed here. Hopefully, our deployment will encourage the Axis to continue their push towards the Volga, leaving our defenses behind the upper Dnepr and around Vyazma to grow stronger.




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