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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/1/2019 4:23:17 PM   
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...Unit Proficiency is good for about the first couple turns only, by turn 20 all units are up to 100% anyway...

Is that for German units, or for Soviet units as well? And that assumes that all of them have engaged in significant combat? And finally, presumably if units get replacements, presumably they would water down the proficiency?

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/1/2019 4:30:09 PM   
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...Unit Proficiency is good for about the first couple turns only, by turn 20 all units are up to 100% anyway...

Is that for German units, or for Soviet units as well? And that assumes that all of them have engaged in significant combat? And finally, presumably if units get replacements, presumably they would water down the proficiency?
That's my understanding as well. Each successful combat gives each of the attacking participants a tiny boost in proficiency so that it increases over time for each unit so that by T20 or so Steve is saying that they are probably all near 100% and I concur. And the same thing happens for both sides ( simultaneously ). And as a unit gets replacements of a lower proficiency than the unit, the proficiency of the unit is reduced a tiny bit or a lot depending on the number of replacements and their individual proficiency. There's some kind of mathematical formula to give the resulting unit proficiency but I'm not sure what it is. Some kind of weighted average or something.


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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/1/2019 7:02:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right right right what Larry says. I am exaggerating for emphasis, but for real, if a German unit starts at 80% and is in combat for 20 turns, it is at 100%. Most 'at-start' Soviet units won't last more than a few combats at most. However, when they reconstitute, they are somewhere between their original prof and the formation prof, then they are set to Untried, then when they have first combat the prof can go +/- 30, so ... most of them end up over 90% even after reconstitution.

EDIT: Not +/-30, but actually 33%. So if a unit is at 80%, and is destroyed, and its Formation is at 80%, it will most likely reconstitute at 80% [untried]. At first combat it could end up anywhere from 55% to 100%.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/1/2019 7:09:30 PM   
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the proficiency of the unit is reduced a tiny bit or a lot depending on the number of replacements and their individual proficiency.

I wasn't sure about this so I had to check. I think this is the only effect:

If a Veteran unit receives large quantities of replacement equipment, there is a chance that the unit will lose its Veteran status.

This actually happens in D21 to all of the divisions [Panzer] that undergo refits. It's the lesser of all evils.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/1/2019 7:59:39 PM   
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If a Veteran unit receives large quantities of replacement equipment, there is a chance that the unit will lose its Veteran status.


Why would a unit lose its veteran status due to an equipment change or replacement, especially when the new equipment is considered an upgrade? After all, it is the people who are the veterans, not the equipment.

What’s the logic behind the status downgrade?

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/1/2019 10:23:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		For equipment it could be the time to adapt to the new stuff.
For replacements it's of course that with enough new men coming in I can't call the whole unit veteran anymore even if a lot veterans are still in it.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/2/2019 2:48:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Back to proficiency, what really justifies a 100% unit proficiency?
Wouldn't only very few units reach this level of perfection?
If so, could the engine be adjusted to make it proportional harder from 90% on to gain a 1%.
I think the closer to perfection one gets the harder it is to improve further, and I would say this counts for pretty much everything in the world.

And this +/-33% seems way overdone for untried units, +/-15% gives a range of 30% what is more than enough, everything beyond feels like lottery.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/10/2019 6:24:38 AM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/10/2019 7:27:49 AM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/10/2019 1:34:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Larry my version does not have a big R on the map on that hex.

If I am not mistaken the 'R' only shows up in edit mode and its for the 'reentry point' or the place where reconstituted units for either side 1 (blue generally) or side 2 (red generally).



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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/10/2019 2:15:28 PM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/10/2019 5:49:24 PM   
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What does this R stand for?


Gulf of Riga . . . seems like an odd place to reconstitute. As I recall the “R” operates at the force level, so technically all land, sea and air units reconstitute at that position or in a friendly nearby hex. Even more interesting is that you are looking at a red “R” which is supposed to be your enemy’s reconstitution point. Are you sure you’re using that medicinal stuff per doctor’s orders?

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/10/2019 10:13:41 PM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/10/2019 10:30:43 PM   
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I wonder which version of TOAW is being used here.

I'm testing 4.1.0.37 and so far so good.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/11/2019 1:37:33 AM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/11/2019 1:58:10 AM   
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EDIT: On second thought I'll drop back to 0.32 for the AAR and test 0.37 separately. Just to be safe.



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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/11/2019 4:48:04 AM   
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I'm testing 4.1.0.37 and so far so good.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/15/2019 6:46:57 AM   
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I'm testing 4.1.0.37 and so far so good.

.37
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I have run into no problems at all so far. Smooth sailing. Ralph and Bob have put a lot of work into this version and it shows.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/15/2019 7:21:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just wonder how far they want to continue, from 21 to 37 seem like a lot version were put out. I hope we get a patch before the year is over, I'm sure I speak for the community when I say that we need a regular shot(fix/patch) to keep this game going.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 10/15/2019 11:16:40 AM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 11/20/2019 10:50:55 AM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 11/20/2019 11:00:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's a problem with the Soviet PO marching through bad terrain. The divisions will be destroyed by lack supply.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 11/20/2019 11:05:11 AM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 11/20/2019 10:10:54 PM   
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Abbreviated as 'Nachsch Kol', these units enhance Supply to adjacent units and to any other units that are within the Supply Radius of a Nachsch Kol unit. The Supply Radius can be seen in the Force section of the Situation Briefing, or in the Special Abilities area of a Nachsch Kol Unit Report.
The effect of these units is not cumulative, so their recommended use is to keep them in areas where you want Supply to be focused, such as near the front of an important offensive drive, or in support of an important defensive line.

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 11/21/2019 8:53:59 PM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 11/21/2019 9:22:03 PM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/12/2020 4:55:02 PM   
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Should I install Ver 4.6 and how is that done please , just drop it into the Scenario folder ?

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 9/12/2020 4:57:25 PM   
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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 12/24/2021 4:56:54 PM   
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Is 4.61 still the latest version?

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RE: Directive 21 1941-1945 (V4.61) - 12/24/2021 5:06:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		and mary christmas to you. As far as I know it's the latest version but I've made a mod to it and renamed my copy. The mod I made was to give the Corps HQ units some rail repair squads so they can repair rail. It changes the game remarkably. You may not like what happens now. The Axis has supply coming out of their ears now.

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