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Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/2/2018 11:41:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am playing a full campaign game vs Jap AI. I currently have several severely damaged BBs in PH waiting to move to the US West Coast. I'm mainly concerned with Flotation Damage and whether they would survive the long trip. What damage levels would be considered an acceptable risk for such a long sea journey? They all currently have Flotation Damage in excess of 49. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 12:12:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Once things are stabilized, the fires are out and the ship is disbanded in port (Honolulu in this case) they begin shoring up their temporary repairs. If the ship has been sitting there without getting worse for a couple of weeks or more after no further repairs can be made in the port in question, you should be able to make the trip with them. I'm sure I've had capital ships with over 60% flotation damage that were able to make such a voyage. Wait til you hear from others here.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 12:20:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you set them to Pier Side repair and fix all system and any other damage that is not major, They should be able to make the trip. If float damage is high then you want to fix some of it before the trip to the west coast. Alemada has a 180 shipyard, IIRC, so send most of them there. If you can, post a picture of the damaged ships list....GP

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 12:34:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I try to get them to 0 system damage and 50 or less flotation damage. I find that the old BBs are not real useful in the early going so delaying their repair is not a bit thing for me.
I do try to get all of the non BB ships repaired at PH if possible.

Note that you can repair all of the system damage and minor flotation damage, in pier side mode, but you will have to put them into the repair shipyard to repair some of the major flotation damage.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 12:39:43 AM   
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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 7:51:18 AM   
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How do you post that list to the forum?

Take a screen shot of the list of what is under repair at PH.

I recommend they are given a work-over at the yard in PH before you transfer them to the West Coast. If the floatage damage is around 50 anything can happen on the way. Just my
experience with all such transfers. Give them an "escort" - and let them travel on "cruise speed".

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 9:31:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		As per the advise above - all perfect.

1) Try to get all those old BBs into "orange damage range" or better using pier side and all damage as close to 50% as possible

2) Form a convoy and set to "cruise speed" i.e. NOT Mission speed and slowly painfully send to Alemada (or Seattle is another high capacity yard)

3) In the convoy certainly escort with undamaged DDs; but throw in an AR, a couple of AGs. Pearl usually has an AR and AG lying about unused early in the war unless you have already deployed them elsewhere.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 4:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		All good advice above. My one exception is:

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but throw in an AR, a couple of AGs.


Not going to help at sea, and AG's will do nothing for a BB anywhere.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 4:23:18 PM   
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Me much less so. You can safely move the battleships with <35 Sys damage and <50 Flooding. The real risk isn't that they will take on water and founder. It's that a submarine will catch them moving so slowly and finish the job.

You should be moving ships in and out of the Shipyard to repair the floatation damage faster. See here. If you leave them at Pier Side until Sys is at 0 and then just stick in the Shipyard, it will take much longer.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 4:39:00 PM   
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It's that a submarine will catch them moving so slowly and finish the job.


Yup.

In one of my games the AI moved them out of PH early. I was able to 'wolfpack' the BB's across the Pacific. Not one made the WC. It was fun.

So, what I'm trying to say is that its good practice to subdue the Japanese subs that start the game around PH first. This could be easily accomplished while you're doing some repairs to those BB's.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 4:58:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rustysi

All good advice above. My one exception is:

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but throw in an AR, a couple of AGs.


Not going to help at sea, and AG's will do nothing for a BB anywhere.


Now that is interesting and I have learned again...

I do not have the game or manual at hand.. but I 'anecdotally recall' reading a thread which indicated they can 'help allocate' their repair operations points at sea?

I stand corrected.



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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 5:08:47 PM   
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So, what I'm trying to say is that its good practice to subdue the Japanese subs that start the game around PH first. This could be easily accomplished while you're doing some repairs to those BB's.


Or let them stay a while in the PH wharf to get their speed up before they are transferred to the WC.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 5:50:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leandros


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ORIGINAL: rustysi

So, what I'm trying to say is that its good practice to subdue the Japanese subs that start the game around PH first. This could be easily accomplished while you're doing some repairs to those BB's.


Or let them stay a while in the PH wharf to get their speed up before they are transferred to the WC.

Fred


Off Topic - What is the most torpedo hits you've seen a ship take without sinking?

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 5:54:32 PM   
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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 7:27:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rustysi

All good advice above. My one exception is:

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but throw in an AR, a couple of AGs.


Not going to help at sea, and AG's will do nothing for a BB anywhere.

Actually it's good advice in MOST places , just not PH. Often I assign a AR to escort a critically damaged ship trying to make PH from elsewhere. The thought is , the moment the damage rapidly goes up on the damaged ship (for whatever reason ) you pull into any island or even a dot square , and begin repairs. When they are down to a safer level, you start your trek to a shipyard again. Rinse , apply , repeat as needed. It will take a while , but I once brought Enterprise back across the Pacific to PH that way. After four serious torpedo hits. 76 float damage (after I reduced her system damage). She was out of commission due to this trek, and permanent repairs for two years.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/3/2018 7:34:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Macclan5


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ORIGINAL: rustysi

All good advice above. My one exception is:

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but throw in an AR, a couple of AGs.


Not going to help at sea, and AG's will do nothing for a BB anywhere.


Now that is interesting and I have learned again...

I do not have the game or manual at hand.. but I 'anecdotally recall' reading a thread which indicated they can 'help allocate' their repair operations points at sea?

I stand corrected.


In port, if there is an AR and no ship has been specifically assigned to it, its repair points are added to the port repair points (not the shipyard, if there is one).
AGs will work on ships below DD in size (except maybe PTs/MTBs/MGBs which are serviced by and AGP) but do not have the ability to help repair larger ships.

I don't think ASs, AGs or ADs can contribute their points to the port. IME, if no eligible vessel is assigned to them they seem to contribute to the crew repairs only for eligible vessel types - e.g. a sub crew can repair minor damage faster if there is an AS disbanded in port, even if the sub is not specifically assigned to it.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/4/2018 12:51:57 PM   
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Off Topic - What is the most torpedo hits you've seen a ship take without sinking?


In one of the active AARs there is a report of a major enemy ship still afloat after taking 7 torpedoes.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/4/2018 6:18:24 PM   
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I assign a AR to escort a critically damaged ship trying to make PH from elsewhere. The thought is , the moment the damage rapidly goes up on the damaged ship (for whatever reason ) you pull into any island or even a dot square , and begin repairs.


Now that's a really good idea. But tell me what islands you can pull into between PH and the WC?

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In port, if there is an AR and no ship has been specifically assigned to it, its repair points are added to the port repair points (not the shipyard, if there is one).


Also good to note as ports, crew, and support ships are separate from any repair yard.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/4/2018 6:21:53 PM   
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Everything you wanted to know about ship repair, but were afraid to ask...

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2990845&mpage=1&key=ship%2Crepair%2C101%2Cguide&#

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/4/2018 7:29:32 PM   
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And once again for any of the new folk who may still not have seen this...

Everything you wanted to know about ship repair, but were afraid to ask...

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2990845&mpage=1&key=ship%2Crepair%2C101%2Cguide&#


Not everything.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/4/2018 7:51:46 PM   
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Not everything.


Really? Ah, what do I know.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/6/2018 10:49:52 PM   
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quote:

I assign a AR to escort a critically damaged ship trying to make PH from elsewhere. The thought is , the moment the damage rapidly goes up on the damaged ship (for whatever reason ) you pull into any island or even a dot square , and begin repairs.


Now that's a really good idea. But tell me what islands you can pull into between PH and the WC?

quote:

In port, if there is an AR and no ship has been specifically assigned to it, its repair points are added to the port repair points (not the shipyard, if there is one).


Also good to note as ports, crew, and support ships are separate from any repair yard.

I'm glad you read my post. Now please read it again, and don't skip the 1st line this time. Actually it's good advice in MOST places , just not PH. Often I assign a AR to escort a critically damaged ship trying to make PH from elsewhere. The thought is , the moment the damage rapidly goes up on the damaged ship (for whatever reason ) you pull into any island or even a dot square , and begin repairs. When they are down to a safer level, you start your trek to a shipyard again. Rinse , apply , repeat as needed. It will take a while , but I once brought Enterprise back across the Pacific to PH that way. After four serious torpedo hits. 76 float damage (after I reduced her system damage). She was out of commission due to this trek, and permanent repairs for two years.


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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/7/2018 12:17:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		WC is not the only option either. In one game I sent them to the Canal Zone with escorts, peeling the DDs off when they were about ten hexes from the map edge and sending the DDs back to Pearl for another round. The Zone, then EC, which is a huge yard, usually empty. Going to the Canal Zone lets you dogleg and take odd exit courses away from PH that subs often are not squatting upon.

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/7/2018 12:19:53 AM   
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WC is not the only option either. In one game I sent them to the Canal Zone with escorts, peeling the DDs off when they were about ten hexes from the map edge and sending the DDs back to Pearl for another round. The Zone, then EC, which is a huge yard, usually empty. Going to the Canal Zone lets you dogleg and take odd exit courses away from PH that subs often are not squatting upon.


I did this once....GP

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RE: Moving damaged ships to shipyards - 10/9/2018 9:13:42 PM   
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