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ORIGINAL: Dgold

Glad to see that you are working on a naval mod, Hairog

I had some similar ideas - which I had posted recently in the beta forum. Here are the extracts:


There have been some concerns posted by new SC3 players in the regular SC3 WAW forum about the naval aspects of the game.

How about reducing the number of naval units by grouping the existing units into new naval groups?
• Initial Scenario forces would be based on historical ship numbers, ship combat capability and quality
• Scrap individual naval units and MTB units
• The maximum strength of each unit would vary as per historical values (eg Japanese or British Carrier Groups might have 8 maximum air strength as they had a smaller air complement)
• Less problems with stacking at existing ports
• Less problems with naval units accidentally bumping into each other in large sea hexes
• The new unit cost, movement allowance and combat ratings would need to be tweaked
• The AI would have an easier time playing its side, as it would have half or less the number of units to move
• Give certain Cruiser Groups (eg Japanese) a larger spotting range due to seaplanes
• You could give certain surface group units two strikes, so as to provide more decisive battle results (more sinkings)

Battle Group (BB/BC with some DD) – 2 BB/BC per unit
Cruiser Group (CA, CL mix with some DD) – 4 CA/CL per unit
ASW Group (DD/DE mix) – 8 DD/DE per unit
Carrier Group (CV with CL and DD mix) – 2 CV per unit
Escort Group (CVL/CVE with some DD) – 4 CVL/CVE per unit
Sub Group – 4 SS per group

This would not require a game code change - only some serious work with the editor.


Most surface naval combats in WWII happened near land or ports, not on the high seas.

I have been experimenting with the Editor to attempt to remove ZOCs from all naval units, As these hexes are so large, I am suggesting that there should not be an automatic sighting of friendly naval units by adjacent enemy naval units.

Is there any way, in the Editor, to remove the auto-surprise attack against a friendly naval unit when it moves adjacent to a previously hidden enemy naval unit?

What I would like to see is that an enemy naval unit is only revealed via friendly air recon of that hex, if it moves adjacent to a friendly port, or a friendly land unit (coast watchers), or if it attempts to enter a hex containing a friendly naval unit.

In all other cases, passage of friendly naval units would not reveal enemy units in adjacent hexes.
Or, how about the passage of an adjacent friendly naval unit having a percentage chance of discovering an enemy naval unit in a hex?

Bill had a concern that reducing the number of naval units would be result in less being available to protect unit transports.
A suggestion is that Long Range Amphib units, as they are very expensive, be given an increase in defence value, to simulate an intrinsic escort (CL, DD, DE).

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ORIGINAL: Kriegsspieler
At sea, to do the same with a single ship leads to some very odd effects.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead

I think the WWII grand strategy game that does the best job simulating naval combat, capturing the chance for surprise as well the hit and miss nature of trying to find an enemy fleet in a large ocean is the board game 'World in Flames.' This is a hex-based game but the oceans are divided up into sea zones. When opposing fleets are in the same sea zone, there is a chance for combat. The chances to find an enemy fleet depend on several factors including the presence of air, the speed of the ships, how far the ships traveled before entering the zone and random luck. This random luck element is what can sometimes lead to great surprise advantages such as were found at the Battle of Midway. I would imagine this shouldn't be too difficult to capture in a computer game.

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ORIGINAL: elmo3

Also, one of my British ships retreated toward Germany while under attack instead of toward the rest of the Royal Navy right next to it?! It's probably wishful thinking but an AI controlled reaction during the enemy turn would add some realism.

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ORIGINAL: Schokolokos

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ORIGINAL: elmo3

Also, one of my British ships retreated toward Germany while under attack instead of toward the rest of the Royal Navy right next to it?! It's probably wishful thinking but an AI controlled reaction during the enemy turn would add some realism.

you even realise that the Axis ship have a impact what direction that British ship flee? It depends from what side that Sub attacks.

your other point is allso rubbish, the 2 week idle is because it is a round based game not a RTS.
What do you want, a minute, a hour, a day or a week turn?