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(Question) LowN and LowG - 12/5/2018 2:15:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		What i wanted to know is, as a japanese player, if i use my Bettie's and Sally's to bomb a port at 100' they will use LowN skill, and if i set them to 1000' or above they use NavB skill? Or is the normal NavB skill activated at an higher altitude?

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/5/2018 2:28:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think 100 feet is strafe skill. 1000 feet is low naval/ground skill. You can tell this by observing what skills train up at those altitudes.

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/5/2018 2:33:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thread on low-level bombing: CLICK HERE

I'm sure more knowledgeable members will come in and tell us how it all works. Honestly, I haven't used it much. I just know that for training strafe I use 100 feet, for training low bombing I use 1000 feet. It would seem some bombers "skip bomb" at 100 feet while others are better at 1000 feet.

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/5/2018 3:34:15 AM   
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What i wanted to know is, as a japanese player, if i use my Bettie's and Sally's to bomb a port at 100' they will use LowN skill, and if i set them to 1000' or above they use NavB skill? Or is the normal NavB skill activated at an higher altitude?

LowN and NavB only apply to attacking ships at sea. GrdB and LowG apply to trying to hit ships disbanded in ports, including in the shipyard. Think of it in the same way GrdB and LowG apply to attacking an airfield to hit parked planes.

LowG or LowN applies to aircraft attacking at 1000 or 100 feet, if they carry bombs. If the aircraft is a fighter or assault bomber (the ones with lots of forward facing MGs or cannons) the aircraft will both bomb and strafe at either altitude. They sometimes make two passes to drop the bombs and then strafe.

Fighters and attack aircraft without bombs will use the Strafe skill at 100 feet.


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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/5/2018 11:27:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: amon15

What i wanted to know is, as a japanese player, if i use my Bettie's and Sally's to bomb a port at 100' they will use LowN skill, and if i set them to 1000' or above they use NavB skill? Or is the normal NavB skill activated at an higher altitude?

LowN and NavB only apply to attacking ships at sea. GrdB and LowG apply to trying to hit ships disbanded in ports, including in the shipyard. Think of it in the same way GrdB and LowG apply to attacking an airfield to hit parked planes.

LowG or LowN applies to aircraft attacking at 1000 or 100 feet, if they carry bombs. If the aircraft is a fighter or assault bomber (the ones with lots of forward facing MGs or cannons) the aircraft will both bomb and strafe at either altitude. They sometimes make two passes to drop the bombs and then strafe.

Fighters and attack aircraft without bombs will use the Strafe skill at 100 feet.




So, my bombers have an average skill of 69 in GrdB and 34 in LowG. To maximize my damage i should set them to 2000' so they use their normal GrdB skill, and they are low enough to maximize their chances to hit something, also the AA over target is almost non existent. So what would be the most optimal orders to set my bombers to increase as mucg damage in a single raid as possible. I would presume also using recce planes before the raid to increase DL.

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/5/2018 11:45:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		You dont have to set your bombers to 2000 feet at GrndAttack. Bombs have their own accuracy rating. If you bomb with 500lb/25okg bombs you can set the bomber to 6000-10,000 feet. Going very low is only good if you have small bombs and there is no AA present.

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/5/2018 3:41:19 PM   
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You dont have to set your bombers to 2000 feet at GrndAttack. Bombs have their own accuracy rating. If you bomb with 500lb/25okg bombs you can set the bomber to 6000-10,000 feet. Going very low is only good if you have small bombs and there is no AA present.


I disagree. What you say would have been accurate back when the dividing altitude between LowG and GrdB was 6,000 feet. Since it is now 2000 feet, going as low as that is the best way to get max accuracy from the bombing. Yes, the bombs have an accuracy rating but the altitude is also worked into the calculations for numbers of hits.

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/7/2018 7:02:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		2,000ft is probably best for using GrdB skill. But be aware that at that altitude every single squad/flak will fire at your planes too. May not eventually down anything, but will drive damage/fatigue of your planes way up. Consider 3,000ft (squads do not have the range to fire there), 7,000ft (avoiding Jap 25mm AA), or 10,000 (avoiding allied 40mm).... Depends on a situation. If it is one-day full strike, you can do it... If you want to apply continuous pressure better keep a bit higher.

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/7/2018 11:30:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't realize they used skip bombing on the ground too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDdIU6lk6JU

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/7/2018 5:31:19 PM   
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Consider 3,000ft (squads do not have the range to fire there), 7,000ft (avoiding Jap 25mm AA), or 10,000 (avoiding allied 40mm)....


Keep in mind that these are not hard and fast limits. The Dev's put in a 'fudge factor' to avoid such tactics. So you may still get a little fire where you'd think not.

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/7/2018 11:10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The link shows para-frag bombing at low level by B-25s. I think that this tactic was more common than skip bombing for land targets. One can see that the attacking planes are quite low (less than 1000 ft). The parachute attached to the bomb insured that the bomb hit the ground and exploded after the plane had passed on. A 500 lb bomb would surely have made one of those bombers in the previous link look like a piece of swiss cheese.

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/255768-parafrag-bombs/

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RE: (Question) LowN and LowG - 12/8/2018 2:52:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if they worried about it in WWII, but strafing at certain altitudes and angles of dive can result in ricochets shooting down the strafing aircraft. Modern fighter jocks have defined profiles for strafing attacks to avoid the problem. It could be that WWII aircraft were not fast enough to be in the ricochet danger zone.

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