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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/14/2019 2:35:13 PM   
JohnDillworth


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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/14/2019 4:09:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dave and I played this game in about 370 days. That's ridiculously fast, especially considering the three-week stretch in which he could only play one or two turns per day. I love playing this fast but I'm not sure it's good for my sanity, my health, and real life. :)


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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/16/2019 1:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congratulations on your victory! I am amazed at the pace the two of you kept up.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/16/2019 2:24:07 PM   
BillBrown


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Status: offline 		Well done Dan, both the game and the AAR.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/16/2019 8:53:48 PM   
T Rav

 

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Status: offline 		Well done, Sir!

I personally like your shift from reporting on every turn, to every couple turns or so. It gives you more time to wplay the game and still satisfies the peanut gallery members like me. For what it's worth, I check and see how things are going every day.

In this game or another one, and in the words of Col. Emerson H. Liscum, "Keep Up the Fire!"

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 8:52:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		As the Japanese player......I would like to congratulate Dan on a well played game and richly deserved victory.

…..and also for such an entertaining AAR....almost as much fun to read as it was to play.

The pace of the game was blistering and great fun......although I suspect I'll concentrate and 1-2 turns a day from now on!

Dan is a proper gent. and very skilled...….if you get a chance to play against him......do.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 12:52:46 PM   
JohnDillworth


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Status: offline 		Well played sir! The peanut gallery salutes you. BTW, if there is ever a rematch there are many esteemed Japanese players that would be happy to offer humble advice. May I personally add I really enjoyed your mastery of the unexpected and concentrated naval assault. Good to see a player who has no fear of uses his assets to their full capabilities.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 1:21:29 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		This match possibly answered two questions that might be of interest to the general community:

1) Is it effective for Japan to play conservatively, to avoid stretching the Empire, spending fuel and supply, taking chances; to instead employ the army in building strongpoints (level 9 forts at Singers, Manila, Soerabaja, and no doubt other places); and to use the air forces and navy to strike boldly at selected moments? That's an interesting strategy, but I think we learned that it won't succeed if the Allied player isn't aggressive early, boosting Japan's denominator with permanent points for ships, aircraft and men lost.

2) It isn't necessary for the Allies to fight in Burma. It's a grinding mill producing 1:1 ratios that really, really help Japan. Fuggedaboutit. Burma eventually becomes untenable for Japan, so that it has to retire. Meanwhile, your armies and navies and air forces can fight at better odds elsewhere (turns out the British were right about Burma, all along).

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 6:42:59 PM   
JohnDillworth


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Status: offline 		I think one of the absolute turning points was a road junction near Soerabaja. If I recall the Allies got there just a day or two ahead of Japan. Had that gone the other way the game could have easier gone on another month or two

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 7:21:37 PM   
fabertong


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This match possibly answered two questions that might be of interest to the general community:

1) Is it effective for Japan to play conservatively, to avoid stretching the Empire, spending fuel and supply, taking chances; to instead employ the army in building strongpoints (level 9 forts at Singers, Manila, Soerabaja, and no doubt other places); and to use the air forces and navy to strike boldly at selected moments? That's an interesting strategy, but I think we learned that it won't succeed if the Allied player isn't aggressive early, boosting Japan's denominator with permanent points for ships, aircraft and men lost.

2) It isn't necessary for the Allies to fight in Burma. It's a grinding mill producing 1:1 ratios that really, really help Japan. Fuggedaboutit. Burma eventually becomes untenable for Japan, so that it has to retire. Meanwhile, your armies and navies and air forces can fight at better odds elsewhere (turns out the British were right about Burma, all along).


I think Dan is correct on both points.

!. I am, by nature, a conservative player.....and try to avoid easy 'points harvesting' early in the war.
Largely due to the almost absolute knowledge in the game that Japan has at the start....but for Japan to succeed in the game it has to do a certain amount of this.

2. Burma is indeed a quagmire for the allies......especially in this game where we had withdrawals turned off....so the Allies can enjoy The Royal Navy......I overcommitted on this front and Dan easily outflanked me.

Some other mistakes on my part.....(of many)

When hunting Lex. early in the game I stuck to doctrine and didn't split KB until far to late....lack of flexibility on my part.

I decided early on to bypass Singapore and try to reduce it by siege....the idea being that most Allied players would try and supply Singers using subs.....I flooded over 200 ASW ships and almost all of my level bomber into this shallow water area......the result showed that this plan was not only flawed but a waste of Japanese firepower early in the war. Japanese ASW early war just can't do this job.

There were several points where I could have slowed Dan's advance....the key one being when he was moving past Singers.....and due to my incompetence 6 CVs went into upgrade at Manila...... and therefore out of action for 20+ days.

None of these would have changed the outcome of the war...or take away from Dan's excellent gameplay..but I would have made it past VE day.

After 20+ PBEMs and loads of experimenting you do keep learning.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 7:29:21 PM   
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... and due to my incompetence 6 CVs went into upgrade at Manila...... and therefore out of action for 20+ days.


I think this kind of mistake -- or, more charitably, unfortunate timing -- is fairly common. I for one have done this even against the AI!

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 10:04:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf

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... and due to my incompetence 6 CVs went into upgrade at Manila...... and therefore out of action for 20+ days.


I think this kind of mistake -- or, more charitably, unfortunate timing -- is fairly common. I for one have done this even against the AI!

The easy answer is to only upgrade one or two at a time, but that does not take into account the pressure to get AA values up ASAP.

As an Allied player, I know that I do not have to rush things and can afford to drag out such upgrades by keeping the weakest CVs in fairly safe waters. At some point there will be enough upgraded CVs, DDs and other vessels to start the Allied steamroller going. For the Japanese, any grand strategy they choose always means scraping up enough strength to get started and rushing around to keep it going. I admire the fortitude of IJ players while wondering about their sanity ...





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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/17/2019 11:41:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know about how things work in games vs. the AI, but in games vs. humans it is so easy to lose track of things, or to mean to attend to things, only to have circumstances or busyness or a brain-poot mess up the best-laid plans. All of us have known we had ships set to upgrade and fully intended to change that before they enter a port big enough to handle the upgrades...only to then forget in the rush of doing something.

JohnDillworth is right about the race for a key hex west of Soerabaja being the turning point in the Java campaign. The outcome of the war wouldn't have changed had I lost that race, but I might've been embroiled in Java weeks longer, or I might've been forced to invade somewhere on the far side rather than fight a stalemate on an MLR. Any time there's a delay or a risky move, there's a chance things can go wrong, the wheels can come off, the opponent can pull of a great bushwhack.

Once the Allies got rolling in November 1943 at and around the Lower Solomons, things steamrolled west without any letup. The Allied plan unfolded so well...and yet Dave still staved off defeat until April 1945. It was a great match.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/18/2019 1:51:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well done, Dan. Kudos to you and Fabertong for this very interesting match.

Cheers,
CB

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/18/2019 7:16:57 AM   
nicwb

 

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Status: offline 		Well played to both Canoerebel and fabertong.

However, on an unhappy note - now what am I going to read? this was one of my daily read go to AAR's.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/18/2019 8:53:11 PM   
sanch

 

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Status: offline 		Thank you for providing an entertaining read (and a good game). Your AAR style is good. I've been following this one for a while now and wouldn't mind seeing another one to follow before too long.

Well done.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/18/2019 10:13:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I don't know about how things work in games vs. the AI, but in games vs. humans it is so easy to lose track of things, or to mean to attend to things, only to have circumstances or busyness or a brain-poot mess up the best-laid plans. All of us have known we had ships set to upgrade and fully intended to change that before they enter a port big enough to handle the upgrades...only to then forget in the rush of doing something.



Pure speculation here, but I would guess that may be attributable to the pressure (self induced or otherwise) to enact a quick turn around. Kind of like playing with an hourglass limiting your turn.

Playing against the AI, I can simply decide to quit the effort whenever I please and take it up again a day or two or three later.


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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/19/2019 3:43:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Really appreciated the AAR. You write really good. I guess I'll have to find some other good AAR to follow now that this one is finished ... that is, until you start up the next one

Oh, and BTW, well played!

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/19/2019 5:46:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great aar as always, Dan.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 12/21/2019 4:31:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		This was a really enjoyable AAR to read, thanks for putting in the effort.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 1/15/2020 12:52:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very nicely done for the both of you. It was enjoyable to read and learn. I have some more ideas on how to play the game - from both sides.

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RE: Intellectus Ex Nihilo (Wal-Mart on Ice) - 1/15/2020 4:20:22 PM   
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