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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Well correction, I have done a dirty simulation of a world map at the scale of War in Europe. Here it is:



So finally, we have room to reach New Zealand. But, we will miss completely Hawaii and Pearl Harbor.

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

Transit boxes/areas could help a lot with reducing the number of hexes needed. There really is no need to even have the Western Hemisphere modeled in the game. Just have three boxes, East Coast, West Coast, and Central America (to represent the Canal).

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Well correction, I have done a dirty simulation of a world map at the scale of War in Europe. Here it is:



So finally, we have room to reach New Zealand. But, we will miss completely Hawaii and Pearl Harbor.

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ORIGINAL: digimatt71

I've now played through the 1939 campaign twice as both the axis and allies. I have to say, I'm a bit disappointed. The change in map scale really effects gameplay and, IMO, neither the European nor the Pacific Theaters are well represented at the current scale. CBI especially. Just my two cents.

Seems to me that with four times the map area available a much better game is certainly possible, even if the map scale is a bit larger than SC:WiE. I'd be happy to playtest any larger map mods that are created.

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Hubert, Bill, couple of questions regarding the SC3 editor:

1. Is it the same between SC3:WIE and SC3:WAW (same tiles used for hex/terrain/river/road/...)?

2. Does the data exported *.dat and *.cgn from War in Europe will be fully recognized by the engine of World at War? In other words, does a world map started in War in Europe will be compatible with World at War?

Are the following enhancements possible:

1. Is it possible to add an option to display the hexes coordinates in the screenshots done by F8 (perhaps F8++)? Playing with overlays to obtain the right scale, it will be very useful to figure out the correct hexes.

2. Is it possible to implement an insert button to insert hexes on any side of a map? Cutting the map in the middle of USA is indeed the best option. Thus, I would like to insert hexes on the left of the War in Europe map to display Florida and the Gulf of Mexico.

3. Is it possible to increase the maximum number of hexes for the Map Size?

Thanks a lot

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ORIGINAL: Hubert Cater

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Hubert, Bill, couple of questions regarding the SC3 editor:

1. Is it the same between SC3:WIE and SC3:WAW (same tiles used for hex/terrain/river/road/...)?

2. Does the data exported *.dat and *.cgn from War in Europe will be fully recognized by the engine of World at War? In other words, does a world map started in War in Europe will be compatible with World at War?

Are the following enhancements possible:

1. Is it possible to add an option to display the hexes coordinates in the screenshots done by F8 (perhaps F8++)? Playing with overlays to obtain the right scale, it will be very useful to figure out the correct hexes.

2. Is it possible to implement an insert button to insert hexes on any side of a map? Cutting the map in the middle of USA is indeed the best option. Thus, I would like to insert hexes on the left of the War in Europe map to display Florida and the Gulf of Mexico.

3. Is it possible to increase the maximum number of hexes for the Map Size?

Thanks a lot

1a. I would say 99% yes, there are some changes I believe just to some of the files that have national flags, and of course we added Japanese unit and hex and terrain coloured sprites too and reorganized the Majors Bitmaps folders just slightly as Germany has now moved to Major_08 from Major_07 etc.

2a. Right now no, and I would suggest updating to the v1.16 Beta for War in Europe and to use the Conversion Tool for any campaigns that were created or were started in War in Europe v1.15. After that then the *.dat data should be compatible with World at War.

1b. I might be able to add something like this, but I can't promise when as I have quite a few top priority items I need to attend to now that I'm back from the holiday break.

2b. I believe this can be done now with the map Shift Contents tool in the Editor, admittedly not the easiest tool to use, but it should be able to insert columns of hexes vertically or horizontally wherever you wish for them to be placed.

3b. It is possible, let me know how big you would need it and I can probably send over a custom Editor with that map max size and we can go from there.

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ORIGINAL: Hubert Cater

3b. It is possible, let me know how big you would need it and I can probably send over a custom Editor with that map max size and we can go from there.

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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

Thanks a lot for your answer.
For 2b, I see. I am experimenting Map -> Shift Contents command now.
For 3b, I am evaluating something like 800 x 300 hexes.

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ORIGINAL: EvilSpaceFascist

The problem with a bigger map is that you run into problems with the vast distances. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one wants to manually move a vast army across the pacific, land in Australia, and advance through 50 hexes of desert to conquer Australia. I enjoy the current scale because it's manageable. Yes, I miss the WiE scale in the European theatre, but you can't take over the world in such a large scale, it just gets boring having to move armies such large distances over so many turns. While the scale certainly takes away a little of the of the fun in Europe, I do enjoy WaW much more than WoE. The only shortcoming is the lack of scenarios (add 1937 pls) but I find that most of the in-game mechanics are quite well done

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

I would expect so.

World in Flames board game had a reduced scale on the Pacific map. The computer version made the Pacific map the same scale as the Europe map (i.e. bigger). But the unit density stayed the same. which meant that there were gaps in the lines in China in the computer version. Needless to say many players of the board game complained quite often about the change of scale and lack of additional units.

So while many of us would like a bigger map, there would be a lot more that would have to be done, AP changes, number of units involved, etc. Which is why I would gladly pay extra for a bigger map and all the changes to the game that would require.

Like others here, the map scale is a real issue for me (along with the 14 day alternative turns). I just can't play the game the way it is now.

All I can hope for is that the game has done well enough so that WAW 2 or a DLC can be developed to increase the map size.

WWII was a global sweeping event. The current map scale does not do the period justice imho anyway. WiE did convey that feeling very well. WAW unfortunately does not.

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ORIGINAL: EvilSpaceFascist

The problem with a bigger map is that you run into problems with the vast distances. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one wants to manually move a vast army across the pacific, land in Australia, and advance through 50 hexes of desert to conquer Australia. I enjoy the current scale because it's manageable. Yes, I miss the WiE scale in the European theatre, but you can't take over the world in such a large scale, it just gets boring having to move armies such large distances over so many turns. While the scale certainly takes away a little of the of the fun in Europe, I do enjoy WaW much more than WoE. The only shortcoming is the lack of scenarios (add 1937 pls) but I find that most of the in-game mechanics are quite well done

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ORIGINAL: wosung

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ORIGINAL: Numdydar

I would expect so.

World in Flames board game had a reduced scale on the Pacific map. The computer version made the Pacific map the same scale as the Europe map (i.e. bigger). But the unit density stayed the same. which meant that there were gaps in the lines in China in the computer version. Needless to say many players of the board game complained quite often about the change of scale and lack of additional units.

So while many of us would like a bigger map, there would be a lot more that would have to be done, AP changes, number of units involved, etc. Which is why I would gladly pay extra for a bigger map and all the changes to the game that would require.

Like others here, the map scale is a real issue for me (along with the 14 day alternative turns). I just can't play the game the way it is now.

All I can hope for is that the game has done well enough so that WAW 2 or a DLC can be developed to increase the map size.

WWII was a global sweeping event. The current map scale does not do the period justice imho anyway. WiE did convey that feeling very well. WAW unfortunately does not.

So you're gonne have a bigger map. And b/c of this you're gonna need a higher unit density in China. But increasing unit density in China by just adding more units would not do the trick. You'll rob Peter to pay Paul. You'll just have a fantasy Sino-Jap War in SCEaW and also in MWIF. As it is now in SCWaW the China Expedition Army is already quite ... big: IRL IJA had some 35 divisions in China max, while the Wehrmacht had 153 divisions on the Eastern Front in 1941.

Thus, if there'll be a bigger map, you'll have to break up forces in China and elsewhere: Less army size, more corps or even division size units. And this, in turn, will slow down turn resolution time even more.

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ORIGINAL: steelwarrior

Yep, more units and longer turn times but also more fun and a more epic feel to it - even I can easily add more units in the editor - so a larger map would suffice for the start ;-D

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ORIGINAL: elxaime



Just some thoughts. Again, my sense is that, great job that it is, the WaW only plumbs about half the potential of the system that could be realized on a larger scale. A ton of work and it would definitely be a labor of love, but the result would be a masterpiece.

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ORIGINAL: elxaime

Yes, anything is a trade off and I understand the beauty of a smaller game in terms of less brain pain. But I think that a creative approach to the real world political dynamics of the countries that made up the Axis and Allied alliances would add lots of fun decision-making and likely ease the unit pushing as well since it won't be like all theaters are constantly active.

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IRL IJA had some 35 divisions in China max