Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: cfinch

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Surprisingly, the Germans decide to force the Royal Marines to retreat, instead of shattering them, thinking that the retreat would destroy them. However, the were able to retreat to a Vichy controlled hex, 2 hexes away, and change control of that hex from Vichy to...

shattered requires a retreat path else they are destroyed (iirc) so if you take the shattered they are destroyed anyway if no retreat path - i see this in a lot of AARs, does the game not do this correctly?

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

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ORIGINAL: cfinch

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Surprisingly, the Germans decide to force the Royal Marines to retreat, instead of shattering them, thinking that the retreat would destroy them. However, the were able to retreat to a Vichy controlled hex, 2 hexes away, and change control of that hex from Vichy to...

shattered requires a retreat path else they are destroyed (iirc) so if you take the shattered they are destroyed anyway if no retreat path - i see this in a lot of AARs, does the game not do this correctly?

In this case, there WAS a retreat path, just one the Axis didn't see, but MWiF did.

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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

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ORIGINAL: cfinch

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Surprisingly, the Germans decide to force the Royal Marines to retreat, instead of shattering them, thinking that the retreat would destroy them. However, the were able to retreat to a Vichy controlled hex, 2 hexes away, and change control of that hex from Vichy to...

shattered requires a retreat path else they are destroyed (iirc) so if you take the shattered they are destroyed anyway if no retreat path - i see this in a lot of AARs, does the game not do this correctly?

In this case, there WAS a retreat path, just one the Axis didn't see, but MWiF did.

Even the Germans, allied to a hostile Vichy, can't trust their French allies. I didn't know that an allied retreat to a hex controlled by a hostile Vichy was legal. But, now I do and so all.

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ns, allied to a hostile Vichy, can't trust their French allies

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ORIGINAL: cfinch

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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

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ORIGINAL: cfinch

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Surprisingly, the Germans decide to force the Royal Marines to retreat, instead of shattering them, thinking that the retreat would destroy them. However, the were able to retreat to a Vichy controlled hex, 2 hexes away, and change control of that hex from Vichy to...

shattered requires a retreat path else they are destroyed (iirc) so if you take the shattered they are destroyed anyway if no retreat path - i see this in a lot of AARs, does the game not do this correctly?

In this case, there WAS a retreat path, just one the Axis didn't see, but MWiF did.

Even the Germans, allied to a hostile Vichy, can't trust their French allies. I didn't know that an allied retreat to a hex controlled by a hostile Vichy was legal. But, now I do and so all.

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ns, allied to a hostile Vichy, can't trust their French allies

yes i was simply referring to the propensity to convert in order to 'destroy' shattered units when they will be destroyed in any case due to no retreat path. in this instance they would have been shattered and you would go "hmm ahhh they can retreat..." and at least they are shattered. in all other cases you get the desired destroyed in any case.
so all i'm saying is you risk them having an unseen retreat path due to conversion, whereas if they have none you get what you wanted, if they do at least they're off the map for a while (need to reappear and transport back)

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

Hex control is not a component of the Retreat rules:


If the result includes an ‘R’, the attacker retreats all surviving defending land units 1 hex (even if face-down).
You retreat units individually and you can retreat them into different hexes.
You can’t retreat a unit into a hex it couldn’t move into.
If a unit could retreat into several hexes, you must retreat it according to these priorities:
1. a hex not in an enemy ZOC and not causing over-stacking.
2. a hex not in enemy ZOC and causing over-stacking.
3. a hex in an enemy ZOC containing a friendly land unit and not causing over stacking.
4. a hex in enemy ZOC containing a friendly land unit and causing over stacking.
Destroy a unit if it can’t retreat under any of these priorities.
If the unit ends in a hex which is still to be attacked, or where it is overstacked, continue retreating the unit according to the same priorities (or destroy it if this is not possible).


If Vichy was not at war with the CW, the CW could not retreat into a Vichy hex. Otherwise, the CW unit could retreat into a Vichy hex, or even into a German controlled hex at any time.