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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 8:58:36 AM   
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1. A Korean MIL entrains for Seoul

Land Movement:
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Garrison troops from Konigsberg are ordered to Danzig to capture the Polish fleet. But the folly of using second rate troops is exposed as the Polish Navy put Operation Peking into operation and the Polish ships sail to safety before the hapless Germans can do anything about it. [I can't see AllenK online so in the interests of time I have moved the ships to Plymouth to join up with an existing fleet].




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 9:29:41 AM   
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The Polish defenders, north of the Vistula, guarding the capital and key city of Lodz are targeted along with the Cavalry Corps from the Tarnow Group defending Poznan.

Von Runsdstedt, with 3rd and 4th Armies, attacks from East Prussia, while Von Bock's 8th and 10th Armies are ordered to take care of Poznan and the Polish Corridor. Von Leeb's 14th Army has the role of mopping up in Galicia.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 9:36:38 AM   
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Japanese moves are limited to Umezu's right wing moving up to the north bank of the Yellow River.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 9:49:12 AM   
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The Germans announce three attacks; at Poznan and against the two infantry groups (Modlin and Karpaty) north of the Vistula. The Poznan attack is spearheaded by the XLVIII Panzer Corps, while the VIII Mechanised Corps leads the attack northeast of Warsaw. Von Rundstedt himself orchestrates the final attack.

Leaving nothing to chance, the Luftwaffe are ordered to bring their last bomber to the attack against the Modlin Army. This is probably overkill as fractional odds should have ensured the 7:1, but now is not the time to get Von Rundstedt disorganised.


Case White - the first attacks



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 10:32:06 AM   
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The three attacks are automatic and the Germans push on toward the industrial and administrative heart of Poland.

Air Rebase: None

HQ Reorganisation: None




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 11:16:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		The combined CW and French DoW's on Germany also cause some friction in the US (4 rolled, 1 chit removed).

I presume the Germans call out reserves. The CW and French will. Where would the Germans like them placed?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 11:21:08 AM   
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The combined CW and French DoW's on Germany also cause some friction in the US (4 rolled, 1 chit removed).

I presume the Germans call out reserves. The CW and French will. Where would the Germans like them placed?
warspite1

Yes please. Give me 5 minutes and I will tell you.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 11:27:12 AM   
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5-1 GARR in Bremen
8-6 MECH in Cologne
8-4 MOT in Dusseldorf
9-4 INF in Essen
6-3 INF in Frankfurt
5-4 INF in Kiel

Thank-you.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 3:23:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apart from the MIL's, the CW put INF to Southampton and GARR to London. The French put GARRs in Strasbourg and Metz. The two INF go to Lille.

Land: France, China.
Combined: Everyone else.

CW sends 2 TRANS loaded with MOT's and accompanied by the two 3-2 CA's to Biscay 1-box. They are joined by Ramillies, the Queens carrying Gort and CA Newcastle carrying the INF Div.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 4:07:13 PM   
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[I can't see AllenK online so in the interests of time I have moved the ships to Plymouth to join up with an existing fleet].



warspite1

Hi AllenK - I hope that the above was okay? I can re-do if not?


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 4:41:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Should be fine, thanks. I think it's only where two major powers are in the same port that movement penalties apply. Didn't seem to be any with the CW naval moves I did.

The two longer-legged US TRANS take Hudsons and P-40's to Pearl. The short-legged TRANS sails Nimitz to the Hawaiian Is. 0-box.

The RAF send Hampdens on extended range and Harrows to target German oil facilities.

The Harrows miss.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 4:44:08 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 5:04:45 PM   
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The Nationalists start moving some forces northwards.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 5:15:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		When reconnaissance patrols report the German positions at the bottom of the Siegfried line appear unoccupied, the French send over a reconnaissance in force. Other units are brought up to take their place. A plan for a French counter-attack develops.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 5:27:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gort debarks to Lorient and the 2 MOT's to St. Nazaire.

Nimitz to Pearl.

The French attack the Garr to the NE of them, supported by units from across the Maginot line. The LND lends ground-support. Assault or Blitz?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 6:19:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Presence of the Enemy" + Light Cruisers is an interesting combination to play, particularly in the Pacific, where those rules can tend to create a bit of a "front line" maintained at sea.

The ultimate Naval game is to have the Commerce Raider (CX) units with the Light Cruisers, and use Hidden Task Forces. That will some day be an excellent way to leverage the rules enforcement in MWiF, though Hidden TF is not that hard to use on a table-top. Most would rather just focus on the current Panzer campaign-of-the-month.

And when the Frogmen rule/units become available, that alters the balance of power in the Med a little before war breaks out. The Royal Navy CVs can't just sit and wait in Gibraltar, then.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 6:48:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Gort debarks to Lorient and the 2 MOT's to St. Nazaire.

Nimitz to Pearl.

The French attack the Garr to the NE of them, supported by units from across the Maginot line. The LND lends ground-support. Assault or Blitz?



warspite1

Assault please.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 6:55:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		French papers hail a great victory over Les Boches. Behind the scenes, the High Command look anxiously at the total disorganisation of the attacking forces, making them unfit for further action and potentially vulnerable to counter-attack.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 7:07:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		The French 5-3 INF and MOT advance across the border to take possession of the captured ground.

French fighters rebase to cover the advanced troops.

The Polish air force decides flying with the RAF may be a better career move and hop it to Cernauti after first destroying their planes.

No reorganisations.

The weather comes to the Allies aid.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 7:20:17 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/21/2019 7:26:27 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 1:29:03 AM   
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French papers hail a great victory over Les Boches. Behind the scenes, the High Command look anxiously at the total disorganisation of the attacking forces, making them unfit for further action and potentially vulnerable to counter-attack.





By allowing 4 French Corps into Germany doesn't it give the Allies the opportunity to align Yugoslavia. What would be the benefit to the Axis of allowing that?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 2:07:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Yugoslav army could get up to mischief, possibly seizing Vienna and Bratislava before being stopped. But with the bulk of the German army in Poland and, if memory serves, the ability to align Hungary as long as Germany is at war with Yugoslavia, the Germans should be able to knock it out while the army is on the way to the Western Front.

The benefit for Germany is that they're not the ones rolling for US entry - it's basically a shift of a whole entry marker.

The French were, I daresay, hoping to stay organised. I don't think killing 2 bp of Germans was worth giving them a .5 production multiple bump and the opportunity to fight French units without having to cross the Maginot or go through Belgium, even if they get Yugoslavia out of the deal, unless the army stays organised and able to make some mischief.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 5:01:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have pulled this off in a game. There are pluses and minuses all the way around. The weather clamping down on the map now puts a twist on some of the thoughts and possibilities here. But that's what the weather does in the Fall of 1939.

I would also note that the situation changes some with the City-Based Volunteers in play, which aren't yet in MWiF.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 6:08:13 AM   
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Declarations of War/Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Naval Air: None
Naval Movement: None

Rail Movement:
Germany

1. Von Bock to Nuremburg
2. LXXIV Infantry Corps to Munich
3. 88mm Flak Division to Stuttgart

Land Movement:
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The weather makes any kind of operation difficult. Umezu's right flank crosses the Yellow River and all units are ordered to move as much as they can toward Chengchow.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 6:29:50 AM   
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The Germans bring back (by means of rail move) all that they can to try and protect Nuremburg, Stuttgart and Munich. The weather here has proved a killer. The 2-turn advancement, the grounding of aircraft and the effect on supply and combat is pretty much disastrous.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 6:53:29 AM   
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Land Combat: None. I can get 3:1 no modifiers on Lodz and 3:2 +3 on Chengchow. These are very unappealing....

Air Rebase:
Germany
1. Ju52 to Hannover
2. Bf109 E-1 to Stuttgart
3. Bf109 E-2 to east of Stuttgart
4. Bf109 E-4 to northeast of Stuttgart

HQ Reorganisation: None


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 11:42:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		While war correspondents debate the merits, or otherwise, of the French operation, events move on.

No declarations of war.

The Yugoslavian government, as predicted, declares its support for the Allied cause and aligns with France. The US carries on being upset with everything (2 rolled, 1 chit removed). In Belgrade, lawyers pore through the labyrinthine treaty agreements and debate what the implications of the following clauses will be.

- If the USSR hasn’t claimed Bessarabia:

- It cannot declare war on Rumania;
- Rumania can only align with Germany if Germany has declared war either on Yugoslavia or the USSR (not if the USSR has declared war on Germany), or if Germany controls Belgrade;
- Bulgaria can only align with Germany if Germany controls Belgrade or is at war with Greece; and
- Hungary can only align with Germany after Germany has declared war on Yugoslavia or the USSR.

Germany will be at war with Yugoslavia but won't have declared war. A literal translation would be Rumania and Bulgaria can now only align once Belgrade is controlled or Germany DoW's USSR. Hungary needs a German DoW on USSR. However, is that the official international (i.e. MWiF) interpretation? Time will tell (unless anyone more knowledgeable chips in). One thing is certain, control of Belgrade figures heavily.

Since only half of Yugoslavia's units can be sent to cause 'mischief', as one correspondent put it, the government decide to take some precautions. Their forces are deployed as shown.





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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 12:47:32 PM   
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Land: China
Combined: Everyone else.

Figuring poor weather on land might make the German U-boats restive for some action, the RN sends out various cruiser escorts. Other movements are CV, CVL, BB and 3 CA from Aden to East Med 2-box. CA Newcastle takes INF Div to Cypress.

No US or USSR naval moves. French TRANS takes INF from Syria to Marseille. They are taken from the boat straight to trains and railed to HQ Georges

Mongolian CAV move towards the rail head, a mover they should have done last impulse in fair weather.

USSR marches into Eastern Poland. With all the other excitement, the US doesn't notice (9 rolled).

In France, Georges moves 1 hex NW. The French have a line of sorts, although it stops short of Calais. It's as much as they can do for now. They depend on the Brits to hold Calais.

Prince Rupert and accompanying CAV move into Vienna.

The Chinese make a couple of moves.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 1/22/2019 12:54:02 PM   
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The weather loses its fury but rain remains helpful to the Allies.




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