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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 4:46:44 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		Wavell joins the CW forces at Bardia.

The French make a couple of adjustments.

CW declares an attack on Bardia. The RN task force in the East Med 4-box adds naval bombardment. Blitz or assault?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 4:47:38 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 4:59:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		The attack is successful but resulting disorganisation finishes the Allied effort here for the turn.

I elect to convert to retreat. I destroy the INF as if the ART was destroyed, the INF would not have a retreat path. Trust this was okay.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 5:03:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		US rebases a CVP from Wasp to Bearne.

Turn continues on a 6 (less than 3 needed).

Weather turns a bit more soggy.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 5:03:32 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 5:13:39 PM   
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Declarations of War and Alignments:
Japan

The Japanese align Siam. Roosevelt is asked by his aide if he wants to take action. Roosevelt thinks long and hard. After some time he replies with "Siam would be a great setting for a musical starring a bald American and a Scottish actress - leave it with me and I'll speak to Darryl Zanuck". The aide looks bemused and excuses himself.....(a 4 is thrown).


No one can deny that is an impressive addition to the Imperial Japanese Fleet....



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 5:25:46 PM   
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Mar/Apr 1941
Impulse: 9 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments:
Japan

The Japanese align Siam. Roosevelt is asked by his aide if he wants to take action. Roosevelt thinks long and hard. After some time he replies with "Siam would be a great setting for a musical starring a bald American and a Scottish actress - leave it with me and I'll speak to Darryl Zanuck". The aide looks bemused and excuses himself.....(a 4 is thrown).




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 5:29:41 PM   
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No one can deny that is an impressive addition to the Imperial Japanese Fleet....


They all count towards ASW.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 5:35:59 PM   
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Impulse: 9 (Axis)

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement: None

Strategic Bombardment: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement:
Germany

A MIL is transferred from the East to Karlruhe

Land Movement:
Germany

The Germans continue to move deeper into France - albeit not toward the target....

Japan

The Japanese double-back toward Chiang's forces. They occupy the recently vacated Kweiyang and this time Roosevelt is mightly cheesed off (a 3 is thrown).


"I'm mightily cheesed off. Not only have the Japanese taken Kweiyang (wherever that is), but this warspite bozo has posted a picture of Theodore and not me....what a schmuck".



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:21:03 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

One attack is announced, southeast of Rheims. The Luftwaffe take the 'kitchen sink' approach with the Luftwaffe. The 11 points added makes the odds 3:1+2 but with just two points off 4:1. Blitzkrieg is chosen. The fractionals succeeds (744 thrown). The land throw was a 2(4) and the French retreat but suffer no loss. The Attackers lose a unit and all are disorganised.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:39:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		The attack on Bardia was the CW's pick of table. */B would have been better for reorg, and IIRC ultimately the same result for Italian losses on account of retreat paths.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:41:09 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Italy

The Regia Aeronautica send two fighters to Germany

Germany

The Luftwaffe send a Stuka to the southern French front

Japan

A fighter heads closer the the main action centred on Ching's forces.

HQ Reorganisation: None


Turn ends on less than a 4 (a 6 is thrown)



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:43:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: composer99

The attack on Bardia was the CW's pick of table. */B would have been better for reorg, and IIRC ultimately the same result for Italian losses on account of retreat paths.


D'oh




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:45:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AllenK

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ORIGINAL: composer99

The attack on Bardia was the CW's pick of table. */B would have been better for reorg, and IIRC ultimately the same result for Italian losses on account of retreat paths.


D'oh



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What do you want to do?


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:50:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

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ORIGINAL: composer99

The attack on Bardia was the CW's pick of table. */B would have been better for reorg, and IIRC ultimately the same result for Italian losses on account of retreat paths.


D'oh



warspite1

What do you want to do?



Carry on. Serves me right for not paying more attention to the background colours on the forms!

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:56:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AllenK


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

quote:

ORIGINAL: composer99

The attack on Bardia was the CW's pick of table. */B would have been better for reorg, and IIRC ultimately the same result for Italian losses on account of retreat paths.


D'oh



warspite1

What do you want to do?



Carry on. Serves me right for not paying more attention to the background colours on the forms!
warspite1

Okay I'm sending the game back now but if you want to re-do it wouldn't take too much effort. I would just need to think about the Italians and whether I would change my impulse and their actions.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 6:58:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

quote:

ORIGINAL: composer99

The attack on Bardia was the CW's pick of table. */B would have been better for reorg, and IIRC ultimately the same result for Italian losses on account of retreat paths.


D'oh



warspite1

What do you want to do?



Carry on. Serves me right for not paying more attention to the background colours on the forms!
warspite1

Okay I'm sending the game back now but if you want to re-do it wouldn't take too much effort. I would just need to think about the Italians and whether I would change my impulse and their actions.



It's fine as it is. Mistakes happen and this isn't crucial. Appreciate the offer to redo though .

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 7:14:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		M/A 41 Allies 11

All pass.

Turn ends on a 3 (less than 8 needed).

No partisans.

How do the Axis wish to place their pact markers?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 7:16:09 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 7:18:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		AllenK do you know if I still have to maintain the 5CP for Japan/US? I am not sure what you actions you passed (I don't want to look at the US entry) but think there are some actions that mean I no longer have to do this. Thanks

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 7:23:37 PM   
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End of Turn orders (Axis)

Neutrality Pact:
One Offensive and One defensive marker please

Production Planning:
Germany

3 x Oil from Romania (1 saved in Warsaw, 2 saved in Prague )
2 x Oil from USSR (to production)
1 x Oil from Austria (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
1 x Oil from Germany (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
25 Build Points (not sure why it states 26 available but less 2 to USSR and 3 to Italy as part of existing trade agreement = 20 BP less 12 saved) = 8 Build Points.

Italy

2 x Oil from Germany (one in Rome and one in Turin)
5 Build Points (plus 3 from Germany as part of existing trade agreement + 1 saved) = 8 Build Points.

Japan

2 x Oil from USA and NEI (saved in Tokyo and Hiroshima)
2 x Oil from USA and NEI (both saved in Canton)
14 Build Points

Stay At Sea: None (except convoys)
Return to Base: None

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

All units for 0.7 Oil (1 Oil expended) 19 Oil

Germany

All units for 4.0 Oil (4 Oil expended) 20 Oil

Italy

All units for 0.3 Oil (0 Oil expended from Rome) 8 Oil

Breakdown: None

Production:
Germany

1 x Offensive Chit
1 x SUB repair
1 x NAV (4)
2 x PIL
1 x LND (2)
1 x GARR

Italy

1 x NAV (3)
1 x PIL
1 x Anti-Tank

Japan

1 x INF
2 x PIL
2 x CARR AIR (1)
1 x TRS (2nd Cycle)
Junyo (2nd Cycle)

Reinforcement:
Germany

Saarbrucken: Stuka

Italy

Genoa: Sparviero
La Spezia: Andrea Doria + Garibaldi

Japan

Save 1 pilot (do not assign to an aircraft)
Sasebo: MAR DIV, SUB, CONV, AMPH

Trade Agreement:
Germany

No amendment to existing agreement with Italy - 2 Oil and 3 BP


If I have the ability to re-roll I will take it.
If I get the chance to move first I will.






Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 20 (6 x Berlin, 4 x Vienna, 4 x Lodz, 4 x Warsaw 2 + Prague), Italy 8 (4 x Milan, 3 x Rome and 1 x Turin) and Japan 19 (3 x Canton, 9 x Tokyo, 3 x Hiroshima and 4 x Nagoya)

4 x Build Points saved (1 x Magdeburg, 1 x Berlin and 2 x Vienna)




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 7:29:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		USSR puts its marker to defence.

US puts a chit into the Ja pool.

US sends a bunch of old destroyers to CW in return for basing rights. Nobody bothers (8 rolled). Through diplomatic pressure, the Burma Rd is reopened but the Japanese aren't too concerned (6 rolled). However, when the US puts forward plans to ship resources to the western Allies, Germany and Italy condemn the action (5 rolled, chit to tension).

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 7:59:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am confused. Why couldn't the INF in Bardia retreat? The first hex would be to an overstack in Tobruk, at which point it would have to continue, winding up in the hex west of Tobruk.

Thus, if the CW wanted to kill something, they had to pick Assault. Allen knew this all along, right?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 9:10:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm really confused by the German economy

After spending all my saved points I apparently have 4BP Saved??
I also have only 20 Oil??

I'll pay closer attention to this in both this and the game with Mayhemizer. It's probably something I'm mis-reading but.....

EDIT: From RAC Page 108

In a later production step, you can remove those build points from the map and add them to your build point total. You may spend any number saved at your capital. No more than 1 saved build point may be consumed per turn from each other city, useable factory and port (e.g. you can spend 4 saved build points on production in New York and unlimited in Moscow each turn).

M/A 1941 I had # (less number at start of this turn)
Magdeburg = 2 - (1) = 1 - Magdeburg is a city with no factory so that is correct
Breslau = 3 - (3) = 0 - Breslau is a city with 1 factory - so only 2 should have been possible from here
Berlin = 3 - (2) = 1 - Berlin is the capital so could have spent all 3
Vienna = 4 - (2) = 2 - Vienna is a city and factory so spending 2 is correct.

So Breslau seems to be the only issue but Berlin could have spent 1 more so the actual number is okay.

Just the mysterious oil to check.....

I can't be bothered to go back and check impulse by impulse so I will keep my own check on this going forward.



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/30/2019 10:51:45 PM   
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I am confused. Why couldn't the INF in Bardia retreat? The first hex would be to an overstack in Tobruk, at which point it would have to continue, winding up in the hex west of Tobruk.

Thus, if the CW wanted to kill something, they had to pick Assault. Allen knew this all along, right?
warspite1

I suspect AllenK knows as much about retreat as I do......


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/31/2019 1:19:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wasn't paying much attention to the map, just went off of AllenK's statement - but yes, when you look at the map the INF had a retreat path. The CW would have needed ZoCs on the hexes behind Balbo to cut off the INF retreat path.

Blitz would IMO still have been a better call because of units staying face-up (er... organised), but only without knowing how soon after the turn would end.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/31/2019 8:54:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

I am confused. Why couldn't the INF in Bardia retreat? The first hex would be to an overstack in Tobruk, at which point it would have to continue, winding up in the hex west of Tobruk.

Thus, if the CW wanted to kill something, they had to pick Assault. Allen knew this all along, right?
warspite1

I suspect AllenK knows as much about retreat as I do......



That about sums it up. Didn’t realise units could temporarily over stack on a retreat.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/31/2019 9:53:18 AM   
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AllenK do you know if I still have to maintain the 5CP for Japan/US? I am not sure what you actions you passed (I don't want to look at the US entry) but think there are some actions that mean I no longer have to do this. Thanks
warspite1

AllenK can you confirm my understanding from having looked at the various posts and reading RAC.

The Japanese started with having to place 5 CONV - 4 to receive resources and 1 to send.

I think you embargoed strategic materials which meant the US only convoyed 3 resources and Japan no longer sent a build point.

I think you've also frozen Japanese assets, meaning that only 2 resources per turn are sent by the US.

If this is the case I think I can remove 3 CONV from the Japanese Coast without penalty?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/31/2019 10:12:35 AM   
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AllenK do you know if I still have to maintain the 5CP for Japan/US? I am not sure what you actions you passed (I don't want to look at the US entry) but think there are some actions that mean I no longer have to do this. Thanks
warspite1

AllenK can you confirm my understanding from having looked at the various posts and reading RAC.

The Japanese started with having to place 5 CONV - 4 to receive resources and 1 to send.

I think you embargoed strategic materials which meant the US only convoyed 3 resources and Japan no longer sent a build point.

I think you've also frozen Japanese assets, meaning that only 2 resources per turn are sent by the US.

If this is the case I think I can remove 3 CONV from the Japanese Coast without penalty?



Yes you can. US has reduced to 2 CP’s in the 4 zones it covers.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/31/2019 4:36:21 PM   
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CW keeps the BB/CA TF in the East Med 4-box at sea plus various escorts in the Atlantic and Med and North Sea. The BB TF in the North Sea returns to Plymouth. Escorts return to Gib or Liverpool. Subs return to Malta.Queens return to Singapore with Montreal MIL.

France keeps a couple of CA/CL's out in the Med. 2 CA's returns to Oran, the TRANS to Dakar.

US CL returns to Norfolk and 2 CP's from Mexican Coast to San Diego.


Oil Use

US reorgs all (0,25) for 0.

CW reorgs all (2.35), spending oils at Port of Spain and Aden.

France reorgs all except a CA (1.45), spending an oil at Bordeaux.

Production

China 6
MIL
GARR
CAV

CW 20
MAR
FTR-2
ART
ARM
CPx2

France 9 (1 oil sent to production for this)
MIL
INF
FTR-2 x2

US 10
TRANS 1st
CV 1st
CVP-1
Pilot
INF

USSR 14
INF HQ
INF
GARR
FTR-2
Pilot

Ethiopia liberated by CW.

Reinforcements

China
MIL to SE of Kunming
GARR and MOT to Chengtu.

CW
2 x CVP to Southampton
INF to Halifax.

France
MIL to SE of PAris
Pilot to MS 410 Vichy
INF HQ and AA gun to Vichy.

US
Pilot to P-40 San Diego
TRANS San Diego

USSR
Pilot to Lagg-3 Dnepropetrovsk
GARR Murmansk
INF x2 and AT gun to Minsk
INF to Sian.

France sets up a trade agreement to send 3 BP's to CW.

Initiative
Axis 10, Allies 1. Allies go for a re-roll. Axis 4, Allies 2. Axis go first.

It be campaigning weather.








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