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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/7/2019 8:14:05 PM   
AllenK


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Alexander reorgs the Hampden's and Whitley's.

Weather is a mixed bag but remains fine in Europe.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 5:30:07 AM   
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Impulse: 5 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Land
Italy: Combined
Japan: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None
Italy

The Italians try a ground strike against a French unit in the mountains. The attack succeeds.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 6:10:59 AM   
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Impulse: 5 (Axis)

Rail Movement:
Germany

An infantry corps is railed to Antwerp from Copenhagen
A second one is sent to Saarbrucken from Yugoslavia

Land Movement:
Japan

Rain (pretty much) stops play still. An ENG advances from Canton and the Siamese MIL decides it doesn't like the rain and heads back to the capital.

Italy

The Italians continue their role of getting out of the way of the Germans on the Franco-Italian border.

Germany

The Germans move units to Antwerp and Lille and on the Swiss border the Maginot Line is breached. Troops in the Alps and in Italy re-position themselves.

Land Combat:
Germany

One attack is announced - in the mountains northwest of Nice. The Germans bring in a 1-factor bomber. The odds are (30:8) 3:1+1.

Which table do the French wish to use?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 6:57:22 AM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 4:30:24 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

The fractionals succeed (521) and the throw is an 8(9). The infantry is destroyed




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 5:27:55 PM   
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Air Rebase: None


von Leeb tries to keep the turn going for the Axis



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 7:26:02 PM   
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No DoW or alignments.

Land: China, France
Combined: The rest.

CW sails Queens from Singapore to Bardia, loaded with IND INF. TRANS sails from Plymouth to East Med 0-box with MECH.

US puts a couple of CL's into the East Coast 4-box.

A couple of minor moves by the Chinese.

CW moves IND INF inland from Bardia and the INF at Boulogne withdraws SW from Boulogne.

The French withdraw from the Italian border and move a GARR out of the Maginot line to Strasbourg.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 7:43:46 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		CW MECH disembarks to Bardia.

No combats.

Hurricane IIA rebases to Tobruk.

Weather packs up on a 1.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/8/2019 8:25:00 PM   
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Impulse: 7 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Land
Italy: Land
Japan: Land

Naval Air: None

Rail Movement:
Japan

The Siamese MIL is railed to Chiengmai

Italy

Graziani is moved to the Western Front

Land Movement:
Germany

The Germans in the south can do little to keep the pressure on in the mud of the Alpine passes. They push on where possible but can't make the open ground beyond the Rhone.

There is some minor reshuffling in Alsace and Belgium/Holland.

Italy

The Italians storm Nice in an incredible feat of arms....until someone points out it was actually vacated last impulse... The Mamma Mia of all battles radio reports that capturing the city was 'epic' regardless.

Land Combat: None

Air Rebase:
Japan

The Japanese put two more aircraft aboard a carrier.

HQ Reorganisation: None


End of Turn: The turn ends on less than a 2 (a 3 is thrown)


von Leeb was hoping to continue his advance and take the French in the rear (Ohhh er missus!) - especially with so many enemy disorganised. The weather had other ideas however and progress was limited.



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 12:39:11 PM   
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No DoW or alignments.

Combined: CW, France.
Pass: The rest.

CA TRANS sails from Alex to CSV 1-box. 3 BB's sail from Gib to East Med 2-box.

French cruisers sail from Marseilles to the West Med 4-box.

No air missions.

The French swap a couple of units at Toulon and Marseilles around so the MTN is at Toulon.

CW moves INF and MECH adjacent to Balbo and the supporting ART in the desert. IND INF move NW from Djibouti towards Eritrea.

One attack is declared by CW. The 3 BB's add naval support and the Hurricanes fly in ground support.

The table is CW choice and assault is chosen. It goes well.






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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 12:46:48 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		The RAF rotate a couple of units between Dover and London.

No reorgs.

On a 5, the turn continues (less than 4 needed).

Weather clears up in Europe.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 4:44:41 PM   
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Impulse: 11 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Combined
Italy: Land
Japan: Combined

Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Germany

Two German subs head for the Faroes Gap

Japan

An SNLF Division heads for Canton aboard an AMPH

Naval Search:
Germany

A U-Boat initiates search in the Faroes Gap. The CW can bring in a Battle - does it wish to do so?



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 5:14:29 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 5:24:46 PM   
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Naval Search (cont):
Germany

The search throws were:
Axis = 8
Allies = 6

No Combat

Strategic Bombing
Japan

The Japanese attempt to bomb Chungking and hit production




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 5:27:34 PM   
warspite1


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Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Italy

The Italians continue to move west in Southern France

Germany

The Germans provide support to the Italians and push north and west as far as they can.

Land Combat: None

Air Rebase:
Italy

A Fighter moves west of the Rhone

HQ Reorganisation: None


End of Turn: Turn ends on less than a 6 (a 4 is thrown)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 5:50:25 PM   
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End of Turn orders (Axis)

Neutrality Pact:
Two Offensive markers please

Production Planning:
Germany

3 x Oil from Romania (2 saved in Berlin, 1 saved in Prague)
2 x Oil from USSR (1 to production, 1 saved in Prague)
1 x Oil from Austria (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
1 x Oil from Germany (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
23 Build Points (inc 4 saved)

Italy

2 x Oil from Germany (both saved in Turin)
8 Build Points.

Japan

12 Build Points

Stay At Sea: None (except convoys - AllenK can you assist please? I have removed sentry status in this phase for the units below but at the return to base phase they can't be moved). How do I get these six CP to port?
Japan

Remove sentry status for the 2CP in Japanese Coast
Remove sentry status for the two single CP units in the China Sea
Remove sentry status for the 2-point CP unit in the South China Sea
(see RTB for instructions)

Return to Base:
Germany

U-Boats to Kiel

Japan

Units in South China Sea to Bangkok
Units in China Sea to Canton
2 x CP in Japanese Coast to Fukuoka
2 x CP in China Sea to Canton
2 x CP in South China Sea to Bangkok

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

Only the Nell NAV and 2 x TRS (in Fukuoka) 0.4 Oil (0 Oil expended) 19 Oil

Germany

All units except the U-boats, He-115c NAV and the Hs123 in Calais (this should be the first unit in the oil re-org box) for 4.4 Oil (4 Oil expended) 19 Oil

Italy

All units for 1.7 Oil (2 Oil expended both from Rome) 8 Oil

Breakdown: None

Production:
Germany
Scrap the Bf109B

1 x INF
1 x GARR
1 x FTR (2)
1 x FTR (3)
1 x LND (3)
2 x PIL
1 x MECH
1 x SUB repair

Italy
Scrap the CA.135
Request the Ju-88 from the Lend Lease Pool

1 x NAV (2)
1 x PIL
1 x MTN

Japan
Scrap Ki-30 and Ki-21I (both 1-strength LND)

1 x INF
1 x PIL
1 x CARR AIR (1)
2 x CARR AIR (0)
1 x TRS (2nd Cycle)
Hiyo (2nd Cycle)

Factory Destruction:
Germany

MOT destroys a blue factory in Lille

Japan

GARR destroys a blue factory in Canton

Reinforcement:
Germany

Konigsberg: GARR, 6-3 INF
Aachen: 10-5 MECH and 9-5 ARM, Ju-88, Bf-109
Saarbrucken: Ju-87R
Kiel: SUB

Italy

Genoa: Sparviero (I think Italy get this aircraft but I mucked up so not sure). If unsure just say no and I'll bank the pilot.

Japan

Fukuoka: G3M2 Nell, Yamato, AMPH, SUB, Yamashita, INF, CP
Fukuoka (on a carrier): B5N1 (Green) to Akagi, B5N1 (Orange) to Kaga

Trade Agreement:
Germany

No amendment to existing agreement with Italy - 2 Oil and 3 BP


If I have the ability to re-roll I will take it.
If I get the chance to move first I will.






Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 19 (5 x Berlin, 4 x Vienna, 3 x Lodz, 4 x Warsaw 3 + Prague), Italy 8 (4 x Milan, 2 x Rome and 2 x Turin) and Japan 19 (4 x Canton, 8 x Tokyo, 3 x Hiroshima and 4 x Nagoya)

NOTE TO SELF: Check oil position on impulse 1. I am not entirely sure I'm not losing oil here.



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 6:13:56 PM   
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USSR puts a marker to defence.

US puts a chit in the Ge/It pool. It declares an oil embargo on Japan. Japanese press quotes a military 'source' stating they will take whatever they need (3 rolled, chit to tension pool).

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 6:14:45 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 6:20:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Does the Oil Embargo affect this turn's production?


It does indeed. Japan has no more oil coming in and the trade from the US has ceased, which means the CP's in Japanese Coast are no longer needed.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 6:36:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AllenK


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Does the Oil Embargo affect this turn's production?


It does indeed. Japan has no more oil coming in and the trade from the US has ceased, which means the CP's in Japanese Coast are no longer needed.
warspite1

Wow! Well this is a brand new experience for me - playing as the Axis with oil (or without in the case of Japan) at this stage of the war. Nothing like learning on the job


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 8:08:34 PM   
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CW keeps various escorts at sea in the Atlantic and Med. Also, 3 BB's and 2 CA's stay in the North Sea. The BB's and CA's (except for escorts) in the East Med return to Alex. 3 TRANS return from various points to Plymouth.

French CA/CL's return to Beirut and Oran.

US CA's return to Norfolk and a TRANS to San Diego. Several CP's return to either Pearl or San Diego.

US reorganises all for 1 oil spent.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/9/2019 9:35:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Does the Oil Embargo affect this turn's production?


It does indeed. Japan has no more oil coming in and the trade from the US has ceased, which means the CP's in Japanese Coast are no longer needed.
warspite1

Wow! Well this is a brand new experience for me - playing as the Axis with oil (or without in the case of Japan) at this stage of the war. Nothing like learning on the job


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

May/Jun 1941
End of Turn orders (Axis) - Items below the dotted line are in final form

Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 20 (6 x Berlin, 4 x Vienna, 4 x Lodz, 4 x Warsaw 2 + Prague), Italy 8 (4 x Milan, 3 x Rome and 1 x Turin) and Japan 19 (3 x Canton, 9 x Tokyo, 3 x Hiroshima and 4 x Nagoya)


Japan's oil situation is quite good. It does not have to rush into war simply because it is running out of oil. Still, you can see why the oil embargo put pressure on the Japanese.

Of course, the German situation in the west, well, they will conquer France soon. That is a great achievement, right? Um, right???

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/10/2019 6:36:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Does the Oil Embargo affect this turn's production?


It does indeed. Japan has no more oil coming in and the trade from the US has ceased, which means the CP's in Japanese Coast are no longer needed.
warspite1

Wow! Well this is a brand new experience for me - playing as the Axis with oil (or without in the case of Japan) at this stage of the war. Nothing like learning on the job


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

May/Jun 1941
End of Turn orders (Axis) - Items below the dotted line are in final form

Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 20 (6 x Berlin, 4 x Vienna, 4 x Lodz, 4 x Warsaw 2 + Prague), Italy 8 (4 x Milan, 3 x Rome and 1 x Turin) and Japan 19 (3 x Canton, 9 x Tokyo, 3 x Hiroshima and 4 x Nagoya)


Japan's oil situation is quite good. It does not have to rush into war simply because it is running out of oil. Still, you can see why the oil embargo put pressure on the Japanese.

Of course, the German situation in the west, well, they will conquer France soon. That is a great achievement, right? Um, right???
warspite1

I don't think you've seen the number - and quality - of reinforcements they have coming this turn - including 2 x 6-strength fighters. Depends what your definition of soon is I guess


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/10/2019 7:03:50 PM   
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I reorganised a Japanese CP in addition to the instructions. Since it only cost 0.05, it kept below the 0.5 limit before spending another oil point.

CW reorgs all (3.55) using oils at Port of Spain, Aden and Rangoon x2.

France reorgs ground and air units for 2 oil exactly. The cruisers' bunkers remain dry.

Production

China 3
CAV
CAV Div

CW 23
MIL
AMPH 2nd
FTR-2
FTR-3
Pilot
PARA
MECH

France 3
INF

US 10
CV 1st x2
TRANS 1st
TERR
Pilot

USSR 14
INF Div
GARR x2
FTR-2 x2
Pilot x2

CW liberates French Somaliland but decides not to return it to French control.

Reinforcements

China
GARR to Ankang

CW
Spitfire II to Cape Torn
MIL Adis Ababa.

France
MTN and CAV Div Toulouse.
MECH, INF, ART, FTR-2 x2 - Vichy.

US
AMPH, MAR, INF - San Diego.

USSR
GARR to Sevastopol
INF and FTR-2 to Minsk.
An I-16 is transferred to the reserve pool.

CW adds an additional oil to it's trade agreement with France.
France reduces the BP's to CW to 2.

Initiative: Axis 10, Allies 5. Allies re-roll: Axis 2, Allies 10. Allies decide to go first.

Weather mostly fine.








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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/10/2019 8:16:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Oil Use Cont.

CW reorgs all (3.55) using oils at Port of Spain, Aden and Rangoon x2.


Surprised the CW didn't keep one cruiser somewhere disorganized to save an oil.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/10/2019 8:28:53 PM   
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I reorganised a Japanese CP in addition to the instructions. Since it only cost 0.05, it kept below the 0.5 limit before spending another oil point.

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Thanks old boy I'll remember that piggin' rule one day..... #senileoldgit


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/11/2019 3:27:23 AM   
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Impulse: What the hell is going on phase

As we're in the latter half of 1941, and as this is all pretty much new territory for me I thought I would take a few minutes to try and understand what all this declaring war with/on the US is all about....

Hopefully this will be of interest to anyone still reading this thread - and who is either a total newbie to the game or, is like me and has difficulty remembering anything from one minute to the next. Obviously this post is not written to invite comment that assists me/AllenK, but I do invite anyone to comment on points I make that are total and utter sloblocks.

First things first. I would invite AllenK (and Mayhemizer and Orm if they are reading) to confirm what is considered acceptable behaviour in terms of looking at the various US entry actions/option/pools. I think it is acknowledged that with the best will in the world, the way MWIF PBEM is set up, it is impossible for the Axis player to never see where the US entry is at. For example, there will be actions taken that involves the Axis player moving chits to/from the Entry Pools - that can't be helped. But I assume that there is a gentlemen's agreement that we don't actively seek any information from these pools unless the game demands it?

Secondly, I want to understand where the Allies are in terms of being able to declare war on the Japanese. With the unfriendly act of embargoing oil, I have to assume that the US are close to being able to declare war. So how close?

Firstly I take a look at the 'It's War Chart' and I can't read 'It's War' without bringing this gem to mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY

But back to Matrix World In Flames.....

So this is the chart in question.



I will now look at RAC and see what this says.

ATTEMPTING TO DECLARE WAR
Announce your attempt to declare war on a major power. Then, on the “It’s War” table, cross index your entry level against that major power with your tension level against it to find the war number. Now, roll a die: If it is less than or equal to the war number, your declaration has succeeded.

So from looking at this it would appear the US are unable to declare war on Japan at present. I don't know what the tension situation is but assume (from the Oil Embargo) that the US is on the 31-34 column. The modifiers (outlined in green) suggest that I really need to worry when a) AllenK moves the fleet to Pearl and b) the War Appropriations Bill is passed. These two together add 5 to the dice roll, and with the -1 for China, this makes a +4 modifier. So even if a 1 is thrown I am okay. So the moral of this story is to now start paying attention to what AllenK does with entry options!

Two questions that comes to mind from looking at the 'It's War' chart;

1. Why is tension better (for US Entry) the higher up the US Entry track the Allies are, but not so handy lower down?

2. What is the light colour in the Tension Row 24-31 meant to denote?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/11/2019 4:49:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		A key thing to look at is US production. It was 10. The US has not yet picked Gear Up (option 22). It is clear that the US is really hurting for tension, and is picking every option they can trying to get tension. If the US has not picked option 22, they are a long way away from picking 34.

Generally, the Japanese want to declare war the turn that the US would pick option 34; otherwise they are in a race for who declares war first. Right now, the Axis does not have to worry. Unless the US has played some insane game of sandbagging, they did not have 11 tension in at least one of the tension pools. Since they did move chits, and they clearly have enough US entry, I would expect Gear Up next turn. War appropriations (34) is at least two turns after that, but might only be two turns after that; it depends on how much tension the US is able to move. US entry is not the US's problem in this game; tension is. Even if US entry is not quite there yet, the capture of Paris will probably put them over the top as far as US entry goes.

To repeat, the US is doing fine as far as US entry goes, but they are hurting for tension. The US will not be able to declare war in 1941, but may be able to do so very early in 1942. If they get unlucky with tension, it might take quite a while before they declare war. With ordinary luck, they should do Gear Up this turn, Fleet to Pearl the next turn, some random options to get tension the next turn, with war appropriations J/F 42. With good luck, that schedule could happen one turn faster, with poor luck a turn or two slower, and with disastrous luck, who knows? Then, of course, if you wait for them to declare war, they could roll nothing but high numbers on the It's War chart. Relying on that happening has never struck me as a good idea for the Axis. If they were unlucky this turn, they might not be able to pick Gear Up next turn; if that is the case, shift the whole schedule back one turn for each turn Gear Up is delayed.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/11/2019 4:56:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		In answer to your questions: The tension and US entry are supposed to be balanced. I do not know exactly what ADG's thinking was here. I can speculate, but that would just be speculation.

The light color is pretty much the optimal tension for the US to have. Yes, at the right side of the chart, they US would want to be at even higher tension, but the US should never be on the right side of chart. They should attempt to declare war with US entry well before US entry gets past 54, and they either succeed, or fail and lose an entry and a tension chit. If they succeed, well then they don't have to declare war against that power again, and if they fail, they stay in the middle of the table.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/11/2019 4:56:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank-you for the input .

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