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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 10:35:48 AM   
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What about Chiang - I assume not on a 3:1 no modifiers? I also assume its going to be assault in China?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 10:38:04 AM   
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No to HQ support in China but go with Blitz, thanks.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 10:49:49 AM   
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HQ Support fails: 4 or less required and a 6 was thrown

Land Combat:
Japan

The fractionals fail (822 throw). The land throw is an 8 and the Chinese are shattered (no loss). I convert to retreat.

Germany

The land throw was a 9(13) and the French lose 2 units. I do not convert to retreat. Which two of Georges HQ, 6-1 GARR and the AA do you want to lose?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 10:51:24 AM   
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Lose the GARR and AA, thanks.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 11:00:27 AM   
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Air Rebase:
Italy

A Sparviero rebases to La Spezia

HQ Reorganisation:
Germany

von's Rundstedt and Leeb reorganise 3 bombers between them


End of Turn: Turn ends on less than 4 (an 8 is thrown)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 3:32:39 PM   
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S/O 41 Allies 10

No DoW or alignments.

All pass for a 60% chance to end the turn.

On 7 it continues and the weather remains mostly fine.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 3:53:29 PM   
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Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Land
Italy: Combined
Japan: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Italy

A cruiser that had been sent to Leghorn by mistake finally makes it back to La Spezia

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike:
Germany

The Germans send a Stuka and He-111 against the stack west of Paris



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 4:17:21 PM   
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Rail Movement:
Japan

An Infantry joins Yamashita at Singora

Land Movement:
Japan

An SNLF heads for Pakhoi

Italy

Still generally getting out of the way and trying not to be a nuisance to the Germans

Germany

The Germans move against the stack southwest of Paris

Land Combat:
Germany

One attack is announced against the stack southwest of Paris. The Germans bring in a Stuka to take the odds up a level. With a +5 even a 1 would not mean disorganisation and so the Assault table is chosen.

The fractionals fail (96 thrown). A 3 is thrown (5). Weirdly the chart only shows a +2 and all attackers are disorganised. WTF?

I will re-do. Ahhh....

If I choose an Assault I don't get the Blitz bonus. So are you happy for me to amend to Blitz? The result is the same (less disorganisation) but obviously that is not the rationale for changing. The rationale is that this is a simple mistake and nothing the Allies could do (aircraft HQ Support etc. could make any difference. Is this okay?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 4:51:33 PM   
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Fine, go with the Blitz.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 4:55:14 PM   
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quote:

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Fine, go with the Blitz.
warspite1

Thanks


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 5:01:00 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

So the result (with the expected +5) is an 8 and the French lose two units and the third shattered - I do not convert. I assume the MOT is one but do you want the ART or the HQ saved?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 5:06:09 PM   
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Save the HQ, thanks.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 5:15:30 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Germany

A Stuka and a fighter are brought within range of Paris

Italy

A fighter is sent to Belgium

HQ Reorganisation: None


End of Turn: The turn ends on less than a 6 (a 5 is thrown)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 5:23:25 PM   
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End of Turn orders (Axis)


Neutrality Pact:
Two Offensive Markers Please

Production Planning:
Germany

3 x Oil from Romania (1 saved in Berlin, 2 saved in Prague)
2 x Oil from USSR (both to production)
1 x Oil from Austria (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
1 x Oil from Germany (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
21 Build Points

Italy

2 x Oil from Germany (both saved in Rome)
9 Build Points.

Japan

12 Build Points

Stay At Sea: None (except convoys)
Return to Base: None

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

All units except for 2 Convoy (don't worry which ones) for 3.45 Oil (3 Oil expended) 16 Oil (please use Canton oil)

Germany

All units except the He-115c NAV, 2 x Hs-123 and the Bf-109C, for 3.4 Oil (3 Oil expended) 20 Oil

Italy

All units except for the Z.1007 and BA.65 for 0.45 Oil (0 Oil expended both from Rome) 12 Oil

Breakdown: None

Production:
Germany

1 x MOT DIV
1 x INF DIV
1 x INF
1 x MECH
1 x LND (2)
1 x LND (3)
2 x PIL

Italy
Scrap the SM.81 and Ca.133 (both white circled)

1 x FTR (2)
1 x INF HQ
1 x MIL

Japan

1 x MTN
1 x PIL
1 x FTR (2)
1 x CARR AIR (1)
Chitose (2nd Cycle)
1 x Naval Repair - Aoba

Factory Destruction: None

Reinforcement:
Germany

Konigsberg: FW-190, 9-5 MECH, 8-3 INF
Breslau: Bf-110G, 7-4 INF

Italy

Palermo: 5-4 INF
Genoa: 5-4 MTN

Japan

Fukuoka (on a carrier): A6M5 (Dark Blue) to Zuikaku
Fukuoka: Asama, TRS, 5-3 INF

Trade Agreement:
Germany

One amendment to existing agreement with Italy - reduce Oil to 1 and 3 BP


If I have the ability to re-roll I will take it.
If I get the chance to move first I will.






Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 20 (8 x Berlin, 4 x Vienna, 3 x Lodz, 4 x Warsaw 1 + Prague), Italy 12 (4 x Milan, 4 x Rome and 4 x Turin) and Japan 16 (1 x Canton, 8 x Tokyo, 3 x Hiroshima and 4 x Nagoya)


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 5:37:32 PM   
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USSR puts marker to defence.

US puts a chit in the Ge/It pool. Orders are drafted relocating the fleet to Pearl Harbour. Rumours of Japan preparing for war with the US are 'leaked' to the press (5 rolled, chit to Tension pool). Meanwhile, US plans to begin lending useful stuff like tanks and planes to the Western Allies don't exactly go down well in Germany and Italy (2 rolled, chit to Tension pool).


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 5:38:44 PM   
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AllenK can you check the oil situation after you've done the end of turn stuff please?

I mentioned a while ago I thought I might be losing oil - but suspect its more likely to be me doing something wrong. However, I've definitely lost an oil with Germany and I'd be interested to see if you have too.

The picture (top left) is at production stage. Germany has the 20 oils I recorded last turn. They save 2 in Berlin and 1 in Prague. 2 Prague are used - as is 1 in Berlin (the other is not expended). So 3 saved and 3 spent on reorganisation - should leave 20 still. But according to the picture (bottom left) the total is now 19.

Edit: I see your version of the game has the correct number of oils - albeit a few are in different cities. Strange.....




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/22/2019 8:45:25 PM   
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Stay at Sea/RTB

Various CA/CL's stay out in the Atlantic and Med'.

Queens take Bombay MIL to Rangoon. Gort returns to Plymouth. The other TRANS in Biscay returns to Liverpool.

3 US BB's return to Pearl.

Oil use

US reorgs the 3 BB's for no oil spent.

CW reorgs all bar one of its cruisers for o oils spent (0.45).

France reorgs all for 0.85, spending an oil at Bordeaux.

Production

China 7
MECH
INF Div

CW 21
FTR-3
Pilot x3
AMPH 2nd
TERR x3
LND-4
CP x2

France 5
INF
FTR-2

US 20
AMPH 2nd
TRANS 2nd
Washington 2nd
ATR
Pilot
CP x2
INF Div

USSR 14
MECH
LND-4
Pilot
GARR
1 BP saved.

Reinforcments

China
CAV to Chengtu

CW
Beaufighter to Southampton
Spitfire Vb and CP to Liverpool.
ARM to Southampton
MECH to Manchester
TERR's to Halifax, Mandalay and Mombassa.
CP to Melbourne.

France
P-36a to PAris
INF to Rouen and Nantes
INF HQ's to Bordeaux and Toulouse

US
Pilot to CVP at San Diego. Not on CV as too big for now.

USSR
FTR-2's to Vitebsk and Pskov.
CAV Div to Yenan

No modifications to trade agreements.

Initiative: Axis 5, Allies 4. Allies reroll. Axis 7, Allies 9. The Allies decide to go first.

The first snow for the winter arrives in Europe.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 2:23:12 AM   
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If France makes it into 1942, I think warspite1 will have earned the official title of most unlucky German player in the MWiF forums.

I feel like that should come with a trophy.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 8:45:41 AM   
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Overview

I have two challenges in this game at present: firstly the very obvious challenge that France is yet to fall and, unless the Axis are on the receiving end of some unseasonably fine weather, that is not likely to change until the spring or summer of 1942. There is nothing I can do about this other than hope so I'll ignore this and just keep plugging away.

The second challenge is that, apart from playing the 5th Edition almost 25 years ago, I have zero experience of playing the Axis at this stage of the war, and with the current rule set and in particular with oil. It would appear that the US are very close to joining the war so I should spend some time looking at the Pacific. It's very easy to ignore all this while there is little going on and there is much to think about elsewhere on the map.

So what is the overall picture in the Pacific and Far East?

The Far East

The problems of the EuroAxis are really being felt by the Japanese. The CW has been able to put in place a generous TERR and MIL building program, with India, Burma and Malaya/Singapore all well garrisoned. Australia has two useful cruiser fleets in place too.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 11:54:03 AM   
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Sorry Rob, didn’t spot your post about the oil.

Are the numbers right in the file I sent you? The different cities are probably due to my shifting saved oils around when they show as ‘Idle’ at production. I think this occurs when the hex is over stacked as I generally see it for the fifth oil in the hex.

We could always look to a manual edit if I’ve missed one of yours and you ended up losing it. If it’s any comfort, I’m certain I’ve forgotten mine at some point and lost one. I just put it down to spillage and black market activity.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 1:56:13 PM   
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Owing to the fact that the Germans are not yet in Paris, there is no chance the US will pick War appropriations this turn. If the US has enough tension, they won't have enough entry; if they have enough entry, and they probably don't, they don't have enough tension. Over the last few turns, the number of chits in the US entry pools has actually gone down, as chits have pored into the tension pull. You will know when the US has enough tension in the pools: they will stop picking US entry options. The US needs more chits in the US entry pool. Capturing Paris should get them two chits. At any rate, the chance of the US declaring war in J/F 1941 is now neglibible, and if you dob't take Paris by J/F, M/A is very unlikely too. M/J is a possibility. One thing to look at is the positioning of the Dutch and Burmese territorials. Right now they have been tasked with anti-partisan duties. If they head for their capitals, that means that the CW is expecting imminent war with Japan. Right now, it isn't.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 6:30:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

Sorry Rob, didn’t spot your post about the oil.

Are the numbers right in the file I sent you? The different cities are probably due to my shifting saved oils around when they show as ‘Idle’ at production. I think this occurs when the hex is over stacked as I generally see it for the fifth oil in the hex.

We could always look to a manual edit if I’ve missed one of yours and you ended up losing it. If it’s any comfort, I’m certain I’ve forgotten mine at some point and lost one. I just put it down to spillage and black market activity.
warspite1

Hi AllenK, no problems, as per the edit, whatever you did worked because in the game file you sent the Germans had the correct number of oils. It's weird because I did the end of turn twice and both times lost one oil. When I used oil I just used it in the order presented by the program (which I think was 2 Prague and 1 Berlin). Just out of curiosity (and if you remember without having to check), did you take the oil from somewhere different - e.g. not just in the order presented by the program?


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 6:31:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Owing to the fact that the Germans are not yet in Paris, there is no chance the US will pick War appropriations this turn. If the US has enough tension, they won't have enough entry; if they have enough entry, and they probably don't, they don't have enough tension. Over the last few turns, the number of chits in the US entry pools has actually gone down, as chits have pored into the tension pull. You will know when the US has enough tension in the pools: they will stop picking US entry options. The US needs more chits in the US entry pool. Capturing Paris should get them two chits. At any rate, the chance of the US declaring war in J/F 1941 is now neglibible, and if you dob't take Paris by J/F, M/A is very unlikely too. M/J is a possibility. One thing to look at is the positioning of the Dutch and Burmese territorials. Right now they have been tasked with anti-partisan duties. If they head for their capitals, that means that the CW is expecting imminent war with Japan. Right now, it isn't.
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Thanks Courtenay - this sort of commentary is great for noobs like me.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 6:38:42 PM   
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Think I took the first from Prague and the rest from Berlin.

I'm glad your oil is okay.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 6:49:16 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Owing to the fact that the Germans are not yet in Paris, there is no chance the US will pick War appropriations this turn. If the US has enough tension, they won't have enough entry; if they have enough entry, and they probably don't, they don't have enough tension. Over the last few turns, the number of chits in the US entry pools has actually gone down, as chits have pored into the tension pull. You will know when the US has enough tension in the pools: they will stop picking US entry options. The US needs more chits in the US entry pool. Capturing Paris should get them two chits. At any rate, the chance of the US declaring war in J/F 1941 is now neglibible, and if you dob't take Paris by J/F, M/A is very unlikely too. M/J is a possibility. One thing to look at is the positioning of the Dutch and Burmese territorials. Right now they have been tasked with anti-partisan duties. If they head for their capitals, that means that the CW is expecting imminent war with Japan. Right now, it isn't.
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Thanks Courtenay - this sort of commentary is great for noobs like me.



The analysis of the US entry position is about spot on.

Just one caveat to the Dutch positioning. We've got the bug where the Batavia MIL can't be placed. It should be defending the capital. I'm hoping this is fixed in version 3 and will be resolved in our game if we upgrade. I've lived with it until now as it hasn't impacted but it may not be too long before it becomes an issue.

In Burma there are now two units in the capital plus the the one on anti-partisan duties.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/23/2019 7:34:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Owing to the fact that the Germans are not yet in Paris, there is no chance the US will pick War appropriations this turn. If the US has enough tension, they won't have enough entry; if they have enough entry, and they probably don't, they don't have enough tension. Over the last few turns, the number of chits in the US entry pools has actually gone down, as chits have pored into the tension pull. You will know when the US has enough tension in the pools: they will stop picking US entry options. The US needs more chits in the US entry pool. Capturing Paris should get them two chits. At any rate, the chance of the US declaring war in J/F 1941 is now neglibible, and if you dob't take Paris by J/F, M/A is very unlikely too. M/J is a possibility. One thing to look at is the positioning of the Dutch and Burmese territorials. Right now they have been tasked with anti-partisan duties. If they head for their capitals, that means that the CW is expecting imminent war with Japan. Right now, it isn't.
warspite1

Thanks Courtenay - this sort of commentary is great for noobs like me.



Just one caveat to the Dutch positioning. We've got the bug where the Batavia MIL can't be placed. It should be defending the capital. I'm hoping this is fixed in version 3 and will be resolved in our game if we upgrade. I've lived with it until now as it hasn't impacted but it may not be too long before it becomes an issue.

warspite1

Yes, we need this resolved asap - and certainly before the Pacific War starts.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/24/2019 4:32:56 AM   
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The Pacific

Further east, I can see that New Zealand too is well garrisoned and there are convoy pipelines heading both west and east from Australia. The US Navy looks ominous already – the carrier aircraft in particular. The numbers of battleships and cruisers are not too different at present, but it’s the air threat that is most concerning – and when the Essex arrive….

I assume the TRS and AMPH won't all be heading to the Pacific, but there is quite a bit of lift here already - which is a concern.



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/24/2019 8:41:56 AM   
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The reason you did not see the US submarine is that you did not have the box checked on the form to show submarines. Why that box is there I have never understood. Why would you NOT want to see the subs?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/24/2019 8:45:01 AM   
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The reason you did not see the US submarine is that you did not have the box checked on the form to show submarines. Why that box is there I have never understood. Why would you NOT want to see the subs?
warspite1

Lol Er quite.... why a specific filter just for subs?


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/24/2019 1:10:09 PM   
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The Allies pass and get an end of turn roll in J/A 1941
"A strange game, Professor Warspite : the only winning move is not to play"

Even if I can understand the reason behind that rule, it always seems absurd :
The French soldiers all got the order to do nothing but rip the next 15 pages in their pocket agendas, and lo! 15 days pass in the time required to blink

Seriously, can you even remember a game when you got a greater than average share of luck over several turns ?

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