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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/24/2019 3:15:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Admiral Delabroglio

The Allies pass and get an end of turn roll in J/A 1941
"A strange game, Professor Warspite : the only winning move is not to play"

Even if I can understand the reason behind that rule, it always seems absurd :
The French soldiers all got the order to do nothing but rip the next 15 pages in their pocket agendas, and lo! 15 days pass in the time required to blink

Seriously, can you even remember a game when you got a greater than average share of luck over several turns ?

Yes. I once played an over-the-board game of WiF, where all the chits come from the same pools, and the Germans, who otherwise were doing well, got all low chits, while the Russians and Americans got all the high ones. The US came into the war in mid-'41, and the Germans weren't able to break the Nazi-Soviet pact until impulse 4 of M/J '42.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/24/2019 5:43:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Admiral Delabroglio

The Allies pass and get an end of turn roll in J/A 1941
"A strange game, Professor Warspite : the only winning move is not to play"

Even if I can understand the reason behind that rule, it always seems absurd :
The French soldiers all got the order to do nothing but rip the next 15 pages in their pocket agendas, and lo! 15 days pass in the time required to blink

warspite1

I am not sure of the rationale for this concept. I mean there is already the weather which can act as a green light or effective break on operations. I guess it may be to mimic logistics perhaps? And that not all the equipment, all the men, all the whatever, could always be guaranteed to be ready and available to a commander to enable operations to start or continue.

I guess its just another element to the game that increases yet further its replayability. It's great when it works in your favour - less so when it doesn't, but there are no guarantee it will work in favour of either player - which adds to the tension


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/24/2019 8:18:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		You shouldn’t play this game and presume that the first decision of the first impulse of the Sep/Oct turn is being made on Sept. 1st, except for the S/O 39 turn only.

After that, the end-of-turn mechanism shouldn’t be taken literally as a fixed date in time. Military units don’t suddenly all return to 100% readyness every 60 days on the dot. War is a round-the-clock, round the calendar affair and the impulses and turn length are just a playability mechanism to keep the game moving along.

If you want precise unit designations and exact strength calculations and exactly precise time periods, well the World in Flames system is completely resistant to that type of information. But the game works extremely well, anyway.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 2:36:34 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		N/D 41 Allies 1

No DoW or alignments.

Land: China
Naval: CW
Combined: The rest.

Beaufighter from Malta flies to Italian Coast 3-box.

France sends sub from Algeria to Italian Coast 4-box.

US sends 3 BB's from San Diego to Pearl.

CW sends out various escorts to the Atlantic and Med. Subs from Malta to Italian Coast 3-box. TRANS with 2 CA sails from Liverpool to East Coast 1-box and loads INF from Halifax. It is joined by TRANS from Plymouth, which loads TERR from Halifax. Force H - 3 CV, 2 BB and 2 CA - sails from Gib' to the West Med 4-box. Warspite heads a TF of 3 BB and 4 CA from Alex' to the East Med 3-box. Dutch TRANS sails from Berbera to Azanian Sea 0-box.

French sub initiates combat in Italian Coast. No additional air is added by the Allies. The Italians have several bombers that could participate. All bar the SM.79 can reach up to the 2-box, that gets to the 1-box. Any takers?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 2:39:16 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 3:14:38 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		Searches: Allies 1, Axis 5. The Italian CP is destroyed with plenty of points to spare.

Communist CAV Div moves NE from Yenan. USSR moves 4 units in the Minsk area.

The Nationalists move Chiang plus INF and CAV Div NW out of Chihkiang. There place is taken by 2 INF and AT gun that were SE of the city.

The French move MECH Div SE from Rouen. INF and CAV Div move SE of Bordeaux.

No combat.

USSR rebases some aircraft in the northern sector.

CW rebases Beaufighter to Corsica and Hurricane catches up with Wavell in Libya.

France rebases 2 fighters to Le Havre.

US rebases some of its CV air groups on the West Coast.

No reorgs.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 3:34:22 PM   
warspite1


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Status: offline 		How many surprise points was that please?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 3:47:00 PM   
AllenK


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

How many surprise points was that please?


It was 8 points. Even without using any, there was already a D in the damage, which would have destroyed the CP.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 5:51:35 PM   
warspite1


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Status: offline 		Nov/Dec 1941
Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Naval
Germany: Combined
Italy: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Japan

The Japanese move a couple of TRS and a DIV to the South China Sea 0-Box.

Two SUBs moves to Formosa

Strategic Bombing:
Japan

The Japanese try a Strategic Bombardment of Chungking. The throw was a 4.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 6:23:42 PM   
warspite1


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Impulse: 3 (Axis)

Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Germany

The Germans move a couple of units in France

Land Combat: None

Air Rebase:
Italy

Two fighters move closer to Paris

HQ Reorganisation: None


Weather: Allied Impulse 5. The throw is a 5




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/28/2019 7:17:07 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		N/D 41 Allies 4

No DoW or alignments.

Land: CW, China
Combined: The rest.

US sends Bearne, Wasp and CA to Christmas Is. 1-box.

2 French CA's sail to West Med 4-box.

USSR continues moving forces in the northern sector.

The Chinese move their CAV SE from Chengtu.

CW forces in Libya continue heading west. TERR in Sudan edges up to Italian INF just inside the Ethiopian border. Forces in Ethiopia move slowly in the mud, also towards the INF. TERR in Kenya and Tanga head towards Somaliland.

USSR rebases aircraft in the north and south.

CW rebases Beaufighter to Malta and Hurricane keeps up with Wavell.

No reorgs.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/30/2019 5:58:02 AM   
warspite1


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Status: offline 		Nov/Dec 1941
Impulse: 7 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Japan

The Japanese tool around a bit in southern China and Yamashita pushes up to the Malay border

Debark:
Japan

The Japanese offload some of the infantry that put to sea previously

Land Combat: None

Air Rebase:
Italy

A bomber moves back into France

Germany

A Condor heads for Italy
A fighter moves to Belgium

HQ Reorganisation: None

End of Turn: Turn ends on less than a 2 (the throw is a 9)

Weather: Allied Impulse 9. The throw is a 10




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 4/30/2019 7:34:08 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		N/D 41 Allies 9

No DoW or alignments.

Land: CW, China,
Combined: The rest.

US sails CA from West Coast to Pearl and 2 subs from Midway to Manilla.

France sends sub to Italian Coast 2-box.

Communist CAV Div continues heading north. Some units in the north pull back to the river Dvina.

Nationalist CAV heads east a bit.

CW moves INF into Asmara, forces in Ethiopia move up to the Italian INF. Kenyan TERR continues the advance into Somaliland. The forces in Libya continue west along the coast.

No combat.

CW rebases its two fighters in North Africa to keep up with the advance.

Turn continues on a 9 (less than 4 needed).



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 1:30:04 PM   
warspite1


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Status: offline 		Nov/Dec 1941
Impulse: 12 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Land
Italy: Naval
Japan: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air:
Italy

Two NAV fly to the Italian Coast 3-box

Germany

A NAV flies to the Italian Coast 4-box

Naval Movement:
Japan

An AMPH and a TRS sail to Pakhoi

Italy

A Convoy heads for the Italian Coast 0-box. Do the French and British subs wish to initiate combat?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 4:18:55 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		Yes thanks. French sub in 2 box initiates.

Send 2nd Beaufighter to 2-box, thanks.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 4:49:21 PM   
warspite1


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Impulse: 12 (Axis)

Naval Interception:
Italy

On a 3 the French fail to find the Italians in the snow.

The Italians decline combat but I assume the CW wish to search too based on what AllenK said

The Italians bring in 3 NAV to the 0-box and a Beaufighter from Malta heads for the 2-box

Do the French want to being their NAV in from Marseilles?



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 5:11:39 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		No to NAV but search thanks

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 5:15:23 PM   
warspite1


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Impulse: 12 (Axis)

Naval Search:
Italy

With throws of Allies 10 and Axis 8, there is no combat.

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Japan

An ART slogs through the mud or snow or whatever to try and reach Pakhoi (unsuccessfully).

Land Combat: None

Air Rebase: None

HQ Reorganisation: None

End of Turn: Turn ends on less than 6 (a 4 is thrown)


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 6:01:07 PM   
warspite1


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End of Turn orders (Axis)

CARE - MORE OIL WEIRDNESS GOING ON. Germany has overstacked in Lodz for absolutely no reason whatsoever and Italy won't save oil to the city I want..... I can't be arsed to look at this at the late hour but provided the Germans have 24, the Italians have 13 and the Japanese 16 then fine - we just need to be careful with strategic bombing.

Neutrality Pact:
Two Offensive Markers Please and move one marker from defence to offence

Production Planning:
Germany

3 x Oil from Romania (2 saved in Berlin, 1 saved in Prague)
2 x Oil from USSR (both to production)
1 x Oil from Austria (Saved in Dresden).
1 x Oil from Germany (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
21 Build Points

Italy

1 x Oil from Germany (saved in Genoa)
9 Build Points.

Japan

12 Build Points

Stay At Sea: None (except convoys)
Return to Base:
Germany

Condor to Trieste

Italy

Sparvieros to La Spezia
Gabbianos to Leghorn and Genoa
Erone to Rome

Japan

2 x TRS and a cruiser from South China Sea to Bangkok

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

2 x AMPH and 1 x TRS in Pakhoi and 1 x TRS in Bangkok and as many conv (anywhere) as possible without exceeding the limit for no oil 0.4? Oil (0 Oil expended) 16 Oil

Germany

2 x NAV bombers for 0.4 Oil (0 Oil expended) 24 Oil

Italy

BA.65, Z.1007 and Z.501 for 0.4 Oil (0 Oil expended both from Rome) 13 Oil

Breakdown: None

Production:
Germany

1 x ARM HQ
1 x MIL
1 x GARR
1 x LND (2)
1 x LND (3)
2 x PIL

Italy

1 x FTR (2)
1 x PIL
1 x INF
1 x MIL

Japan

2 x PIL
1 x FTR (2)
1 x CARRIER AIR (1)
1 x NAV (3)
1 x INF DIV

Factory Destruction:
Italy

A Blue factory in Belgrade is destroyed

Reinforcement:
Germany

No replacement of Seydlitz
Konigsberg: Division
Breslau: 5-4 INF
Saarbrucken: Stuka

Italy
Scrap Ca.313

Rome: Fighter

Japan

No replacement of Shinano, Ise or Hyuga
Fukuoka (on a carrier): B5N2 (Green) to Shokaku, B5N1 (Orange) to Kaga
Fukuoka: Aoba

Trade Agreement:
Germany

No amendment to existing agreement with Italy - 1 Oil and 3 BP


If I have the ability to re-roll I will take it.
If I get the chance to move first I will.






Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 24 (8 x Berlin, 4 x Vienna, 3 x Lodz, 4 x Warsaw 4 x Prague, 1 x Dresden), Italy 13 (4 x Milan, 5 x Rome and 4 x Turin) and Japan 16 (1 x Canton, 8 x Tokyo, 3 x Hiroshima and 4 x Nagoya)


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 6:55:22 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		A partisan group appears in Yugoslavia. It takes residence on the rail crossroads that blocks the supply of the two resources from the country.

USSR puts its marker to defence.

As well as two markers to Offence, does Germany want to move any markers?



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 7:05:52 PM   
warspite1


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Status: offline 		Can the resources not go through neutral territory? Bulgaria and Hungary via Axis Romania?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 7:11:46 PM   
AllenK


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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Can the resources not go through neutral territory? Bulgaria and Hungary via Axis Romania?


Yes they can.

Edit: The partisans block the direct route for the resources but some diplomatic funding to the relevant countries re-routes them around the block.

How about the markers?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 7:15:47 PM   
warspite1


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Status: offline 		Yes can you move a marker from defensive to offensive please?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 7:25:00 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		I picked to move one of the 4 point markers, hope this was okay.

US puts a chit in the Ja pool. No entry options are taken.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 7:27:32 PM   
warspite1


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Status: offline 		I thought the program auto picked the worst one. May be that was fixed or can you choose? Either way its fine.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 7:45:34 PM   
Courtenay


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Status: offline 		If you don't tell it which one, it will pick the first, i.e. worst one. However, you can pick which one you want.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 7:57:07 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		I picked, so hopefully it did what was asked.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/1/2019 10:14:35 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		Some reassurance on the oil.

I don't know exactly what's going on with it but once I've sent saved oil resources showing as 'Idle' to a new city, the figures tally with yours. On the summary screen, the idle ones don't count towards the total but once relocated, do count.

You don't appear to have lost any (which is a relief to me as I'm not sure what the consequences are if I miss one and they aren't relocated) but the saved locations I put in might not match with your original ones. I do send them to cities in East Germany to put them as far as possible away from CW/US strategic bombing.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/2/2019 5:57:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

Some reassurance on the oil.

I don't know exactly what's going on with it but once I've sent saved oil resources showing as 'Idle' to a new city, the figures tally with yours. On the summary screen, the idle ones don't count towards the total but once relocated, do count.

You don't appear to have lost any (which is a relief to me as I'm not sure what the consequences are if I miss one and they aren't relocated) but the saved locations I put in might not match with your original ones. I do send them to cities in East Germany to put them as far as possible away from CW/US strategic bombing.
warspite1

Hi AllenK thanks - that is good to know and if the numbers stack up then we can carry on. I will try another run through and post in my oil thread so others can see what I am seeing. The only thing I did not understand was the reference to idle. What does that mean?


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/2/2019 7:14:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I’m still figuring out what ‘Idle’ means in the context of saved oil points. I noticed it occurring when the point was the fifth one in the hex, so presume it’s related to over-stacking. Relocating the oil in Production seems to revert it from being idle. I don’t know what happens if you can’t or forget to move it when production is finalised as I haven’t experimented with leaving them and seeing what happened. If I’ve done it inadvertently, then the game hasn’t given any warnings about hex ... being overstacked and the excess will be lost.

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