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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/6/2019 5:40:55 PM

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Mar/Apr 1942
Impulse: 7 (Axis)

Air Rebase: None

HQ Reorganisation:
Germany

von Bock and Rommel reorganise 3 stukas.

Turn Ends on Less than a 2 (a 10 is thrown)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/6/2019 6:30:17 PM

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M/A 42 Allies 9

No DoW or alignments

Land: China
Combined: The rest.

CW sends Sunderlands to Baltic 3-box and Beaufighter to Italian Coast 3-box.

Dutch TRANS embarks Spitfire at Calcutta and sails to Bay of Bengal 0-box.

US bring AMPH from Midway to West Coast and TRANS from Pago Pago to San Diego.

Three areas for naval combat but Faeroes is declined.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/6/2019 6:41:42 PM

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First up the Baltic, where the Sunderlands start searching. With Allies 10 and Axis 6, no combat.

French sub initiates the search in the Italian coast. The Allies don't add any air.

German Condors can reach the 2 and 3 boxes, the other NAV the 2-box. Italian fighters can get to the 0-box. The NAV's the 4-box. Any takers?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/6/2019 7:27:06 PM

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No aircraft thank-you.

Edit: I won't be around now for the rest of the evening.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/6/2019 7:49:07 PM

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Searches: Allies 1, Axis 4. Sub combat is chosen. No damage to the Allies and even without the 6 surprise points, the CP is destroyed.

CW sends the 2 LND's at Khartoum to ground-strike the Italian INF on the Eritrea border. Their aim is off.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/6/2019 7:50:03 PM

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CW rails MAR from Casablanca to Gabes.

USSR moves units around in the north.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/6/2019 8:09:06 PM

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The Chinese follow up the retreating Japanese.

CW forces move up on Tripoli.

French forces near Nantes retreat behind the Loire.

No combats.

Spitfire rebases from TRANS to Singapore.

Turn continues on a 10.

Weather deteriorates across the globe.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/11/2019 3:54:20 AM

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May/June 1942
Impulse: 11 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Land
Italy: Land
Japan: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Japan

A MTN and a DIV are picked up by a TRS and AMPH in the China Sea 0-box

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Italy

The Italians tool about a bit on the home front and bring in a MTN Corps to the French front.

Germany

The Germans move into Nantes. The Bulgarians are given a wider anti-partisan role in Yugoslavia

Japan

The Japanese can't do much with limited moves but retreat where they can.

Debark:
Japan

A MTN Corps is landed in Tientsin

Land Combat: None

Air Rebase:
Germany

A Condor flies to Leghorn
A couple of fighters in Romania are based forward

Japan

Zeroes are flown to Canton and Pakhoi

HQ Reorganisation: None

End of Turn: Turn ends on less than a 6 (an 8 is thrown)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 2:20:37 PM

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M/A 42 Allies 14

No DoW or alignments.

Land: CW, China.
Combined: USSR.
Pass: US, France.

No naval moves or air missions.

CW rails TERR in Nigeria to Cape Town.

The Soviets continue reorganising forces in the north and south.

The Chinese push slowly south from Keiyang into the mountains.

CW moves units in Kuala Lumpur to the resource hex NW. Trailing units continue to close on Tripoli. Supply unit reaches Djibouti. Kenyan TERR reaches the outskirts of Mogadishu. A couple of units in England are swapped around.

No combat.

CW rebases Harrow from London to Bone and Bostons from Tunis to Homs.

No reorgs.

On a 9, the turn continues (less than 9 needed).

The weather changes to mostly fine.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 2:50:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

M/A 42 Allies 14

On a 9, the turn continues (less than 9 needed).

The weather changes to mostly fine.

Is this the first time in this game that the Axis has caught a break?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 5:51:35 PM

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Mar/Apr 1942
Impulse: 17 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Land
Italy: Land
Japan: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike:
Italy

An SM.79 attempts to strike northwest of Paris

Germany

Two Stukas try the same hex

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 6:16:57 PM

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Mar/Apr 1942
Impulse: 17 (Axis)

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Japan

Forces in the south try and save the TERR

Italy

Same comments as previously and previous to that and prev... rinse, cycle, spin; the Italians are under orders to do whatever may assist the Germans

Germany

Forces gather on the hex NW of Paris

Land Combat:

Three attacks are announced.

- In China (south)
- Yugoslavia
- NW of Paris

I take the combats in order of the program

1. The attack NW of Paris is 6:1+4
2. The Yugoslav attack is 7:1-1
3. The attack in China is 5:1 no modifiers

The fractionals fail (273 was thrown). The land throw is 6(10). I assume the French save the MECH. I do not convert.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 6:34:38 PM

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Yes, to the MECH.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 6:35:58 PM

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Mar/Apr 1942
Impulse: 17 (Axis)

Land Combat:
German and Italy

The attack in Yugoslavia has a -1 modifier. I assume assault (as otherwise it would be automatic).

A 1 is thrown and one unit each is lost.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 6:41:31 PM

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Land Combat
Japan

The final attack is 5:1 no modifiers and the Japanese choose the Blitz table. The fractional fail (738 is thrown) and the land throw is a 1. Both sides lose a unit and the Japanese are all disorganised.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 6:51:14 PM

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Mar/Apr 1942
Impulse: 17 (Axis)

Air Rebase:
Japan

A Zero heads for Singora
A NAV heads for Bangkok - although can't quite reach

Germany

A Bomber moves to Belgium
A Bomber moves to Yugoslavia

HQ Reorganisation: None

Turn ends on less than a 9 (a 3 is thrown)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 6:56:31 PM

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Mar/Apr 1942
End of Turn orders (Axis)

Neutrality Pact:
Two offensive markers and move one defensive to offensive

Production Planning:
Germany

Oil situation:

3 x Oil from Romania (1 each saved in Breslau, Prague, Leipzig)
2 x Oil from USSR (both to production)
1 x Oil from Austria (Saved in Leipzig)
1 x Oil from Germany (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
29 Build Points (incl. 3 saved)

Italy

Oil Situation:

1 x Oil from Germany (saved in Genoa)
12 Build Points (incl. 3 saved)

Japan

15 Build Points

Stay At Sea: None (except convoys)
Return to Base:
Germany

Sub to Kiel

Japan

INF with TRS to Singora
AMPH to Fukuoka

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

All except the Ki-30 and the convoys for 1.4 Oil (1 Oil expended)

Germany

All except the second Hs-123 for 2.4 Oil (2 Oil expended)

Italy

All for 1 Oil (1 Oil expended)

Breakdown: None

Production:
Germany

1 x INF
1 x ARM
1 x AT (4)
1 x NAV (3)
1 x FTR (2)
1 x FTR (3)
3 x PIL
2 x Saved Build Points (in Berlin)

Italy

1 x LND (3)
2 x PIL
1 x FTR
1 x GARR
Naval Repair Light Cruiser

Japan

2 x PIL
1 x CARRIER AIR (1)
1 x FTR (2)
1 x NAV (4)
1 x INF
1 x Saved Build Point (Tokyo)

Factory Destruction:
Germany

A Blue factory in Nantes is destroyed

Reinforcement:
Germany

Bremen: 4-4 INF
Konigsberg: FW190, Ju-88C and a Stuka, 7-1 GARR

Italy

Do not assign pilot
Rome: INF

Japan

Kobe: A6M5
Sasabo: G4M1
Fukuoka: Hiyo, 7-3 INF

Trade Agreement:
Germany

No amendment to existing agreement with Italy - 1 Oil and 3 BP

If I have the ability to re-roll I will take it.
If I get the chance to move first I will.

Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 31 (8 x Berlin, 4 x Vienna, 3 x Lodz, 4 x Warsaw 3 x Prague, 4 x Dresden, 3 x Breslau)
Italy 14 (4 x Milan, 4 x Rome 2 x Genoa and 4 x Turin)
Japan 15 (1 x Canton, 8 x Tokyo, 3 x Hiroshima and 4 x Nagoya)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 7:17:48 PM

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M/A 42 End of Turn

Attempts to form a new partisan band in Yugoslavia are thwarted by the garrison (10 rolled).

Axis markers placed as requested. USSR puts its one to defence.

US puts a chit in each pool and passes the War Appropriations Bill. All three Axis nations send delegations to Washington to protest (2 rolled, 2 chits to the tension pool, 1 to each).

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/19/2019 11:15:13 PM

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With two chits moved, The US will have either 17-23 or 24-31 tension, and it's about 50-50 which. US entry is probably on the 35-38 column, but could be one column either way. If it is 39-43, that makes it more likely that tension is currently 17-23, as small chits were moved. So US DOW chance is somewhere from 0 to 40% (10 to 50% against Japan). If the US got lucky, and have the 40% chance, they might try to declare war on Germany and prevent the formation of Vichy. Or they might wait a turn, when they are very likely to have a 60% chance. Vichy being declared this turn might give them that 60% chance this turn, which would be a 70% chance against the Japanese.

If Vichy is declared, there will be innumerable essays and books written pinning the blame for not "saving" France on some party or other, all saying "if only".

After the US is fully in the war, I would be interested to know how accurate my analysis of US entry was.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/20/2019 11:59:21 AM

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CW shifts 3 oil from Balikpapan to Singapore.

Stay at Sea/RTB

CW and France keep escorts out in the Atlantic and Med. CW returns escorts to Liverpool, Gib and Alex. Sunderland returns to East Coast. Subs and Beaufighter to Malta. Dutch TRANS to Calcutta. Queens to Kuala Lumpur. French subs and CL's to Oran.

US returns sub to Manilla, AMPH and TRANS back to San Diego.

Oil Use

US reorgs all (0.7) expending 1 point.

CW reorgs all (2.25) for 2 oil.

France reorgs all (0.3) for no oil.

No break downs.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/20/2019 4:19:58 PM

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Production

China 8
MOT
Field ART.

CW 28
CVP-1 x2
Pilot x3
LND-4
ARM HQ
MAR Div
CA/CL repair x3
INF HQ

France 4
TERR x2

US 30
CVP-1 x2
Pilot x2
ARM HQ
CV 2nd x2
TRANS 2nd
CVL 1st
INF
CAV Div

USSR 27
INF HQ
GARR
INF
FTR-2
LND-4
Pilot x2
Anti-Tank-3
ARM Div

France declines to surrender.

Reinforcements
China - INF and P-40 to Kweiyang.
CW - CP's to Bombay and Liverpool. Halifax to London. AMPH to Plymouth. INF and INF HQ to Addis Ababa. INF to Sydney.
France - FTR's to Rouen and Vichy, INF to Metz, INF HQ to Bordeaux, MECH to hex south-east of Bordeaux. TERR's to Oran and Beruit.
US - AMPH, CP x2 to Norfolk, GARR, INF, F6F-3, TRANS to San Diego.
USSR - Yak 9 and MOT to Stalino, TB-3 to Sevastopol, INF x2 to Minsk, MECH to Kiev.

CW sets new trade agreement to send 1 oil to China.

Initiative - Axis 5, Allies 8. Axis re-roll. Axis 1, Allies 3. Allies win the initiative and move first.

Weather

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/20/2019 4:43:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

With two chits moved, The US will have either 17-23 or 24-31 tension, and it's about 50-50 which. US entry is probably on the 35-38 column, but could be one column either way. If it is 39-43, that makes it more likely that tension is currently 17-23, as small chits were moved. So US DOW chance is somewhere from 0 to 40% (10 to 50% against Japan). If the US got lucky, and have the 40% chance, they might try to declare war on Germany and prevent the formation of Vichy. Or they might wait a turn, when they are very likely to have a 60% chance. Vichy being declared this turn might give them that 60% chance this turn, which would be a 70% chance against the Japanese.

If Vichy is declared, there will be innumerable essays and books written pinning the blame for not "saving" France on some party or other, all saying "if only".

After the US is fully in the war, I would be interested to know how accurate my analysis of US entry was.

But will a US DoW save France? Can the US get troops in position before the Germans conquer Paris? I don't think so. Personally, I believe that it is better to have at least a 70% chance for a succesfull DoW by the US before acting on it. And that is probably two turn away...

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/20/2019 4:59:59 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

With two chits moved, The US will have either 17-23 or 24-31 tension, and it's about 50-50 which. US entry is probably on the 35-38 column, but could be one column either way. If it is 39-43, that makes it more likely that tension is currently 17-23, as small chits were moved. So US DOW chance is somewhere from 0 to 40% (10 to 50% against Japan). If the US got lucky, and have the 40% chance, they might try to declare war on Germany and prevent the formation of Vichy. Or they might wait a turn, when they are very likely to have a 60% chance. Vichy being declared this turn might give them that 60% chance this turn, which would be a 70% chance against the Japanese.

If Vichy is declared, there will be innumerable essays and books written pinning the blame for not "saving" France on some party or other, all saying "if only".

After the US is fully in the war, I would be interested to know how accurate my analysis of US entry was.

It's very good so far.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/20/2019 6:48:40 PM

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M/J 42 Allies 1

No DoW or alignments.

Naval: CW and France.
Land: China.
Combined: The rest.

CW sends Beaufighter from Malta to Italian Coast 3-box.

France sends various escorts out in the Med. The TRANS in Dakar sails to Biscay 1-box and loads HQ Georges. Subs go to Italian Coast 2 and 4 boxes.

CW sends various escorts out in the Atlantic and Med. TRANS at Casablanca sails to Biscay 0-box and loads PARA from Bristol. A TF of 3 BB and 4 CA sails from Alex to the East Med 3-box. Dutch TRANS loads INF at Calcutta and sails to Bay of Bengal 2-box. 2 cruisers from Australia join as escorts. Queens sail from Malaya to Tasman Sea 1-box and load INF from Sydney. " CL's sail from Melbourne to join them. Force H (3 CV, 2 BB and 2 CA's) sails from Gib to West Med 3-box. THey are joined by a BB and 3 CA from Alex.

US sends TRANS from Pago Pago to West Coast and loads F6F-3. TRANS loads GARR at San Diego and sails with CA to Marshalls 0-box.

USSR rails Siberian INF from Omsk to Pskov.

USSR continues its reorganisation of units in the north and south.

Having paid the price for over-extending last impulse, the Chinese bunch up return to mostly 2 units per hex.

US moves Philippines TERR 1 hex SE from Manilla.

CW rebases Harrow From Tunisia to Homs and Halifax from London to Malta.

No reorgs.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/20/2019 9:35:05 PM

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The US saves France by declaring war. Vichy can not be declared after the US and Germany are at war. This is not a rule that comes up very often.

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17.1. CREATION
An Axis major power can choose to install a Vichy Government if one of its in-supply land units occupies Paris in a peace step and France is not conquered (Clarification: And the U.S.A. and Germany are not at war).

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/21/2019 12:33:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

The US saves France by declaring war. Vichy can not be declared after the US and Germany are at war. This is not a rule that comes up very often.

quote:

17.1. CREATION
An Axis major power can choose to install a Vichy Government if one of its in-supply land units occupies Paris in a peace step and France is not conquered (Clarification: And the U.S.A. and Germany are not at war).

That's not RAW...

17.1 Creation
An Axis major power can choose to install a Vichy Government if one
of its in-supply land units occupies Paris in a peace step and France is
not conquered. If more than one Axis major power occupies Paris,
then Germany has first choice as to whether it wishes to establish a
Vichy government.

And I can't find anything in the FAQ on the boardgame too. Why has this rule change been made?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/21/2019 1:29:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Centuur
And I can't find anything in the FAQ on the boardgame too. Why has this rule change been made?

No idea.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/21/2019 1:40:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Centuur

quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

The US saves France by declaring war. Vichy can not be declared after the US and Germany are at war. This is not a rule that comes up very often.

quote:

17.1. CREATION
An Axis major power can choose to install a Vichy Government if one of its in-supply land units occupies Paris in a peace step and France is not conquered (Clarification: And the U.S.A. and Germany are not at war).

That's not RAW...

17.1 Creation
An Axis major power can choose to install a Vichy Government if one
of its in-supply land units occupies Paris in a peace step and France is
not conquered. If more than one Axis major power occupies Paris,
then Germany has first choice as to whether it wishes to establish a
Vichy government.

And I can't find anything in the FAQ on the boardgame too. Why has this rule change been made?

It is from the errata in the 2008 Annual - Factories in Flames. I am surprised that it isn't included in the errata. It is included in RAC.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 5/21/2019 4:51:01 PM

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May/Jun 1942
Impulse: 2 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Germany: Land
Italy: Land
Japan: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air:
Germany

A Ju-88C heads to the Baltic 3-box

Naval Movement:
Japan

An AMPH carries an infantry to Singora.

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike:
Italy

A Sparviero heads for the French stack west of Vichy

Germany

Three Stukas head for Paris

What do the French wish to do?