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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 4:53:08 PM   
Jorge_Stanbury


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Yes, and if you read another article with the same author, he advocates India dismembering Pakistan.


With these kind of propaganda, "Russia Today" style articles, I like to verify articles in this website:
https://www.bellingcat.com/

it takes the time to debunk lies


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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 5:34:19 PM   
Orm


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Status: offline 		Gentlemen. Would it be to much to ask for this to be a civil discussion?

Please, be nice.



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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 6:24:27 PM   
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Gentlemen. Would it be to much to ask for this to be a civil discussion?

Please, be nice.





Yeah, kind of hard to do that when certain people are hell-bent on dragging the conversation into the gutter.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 6:54:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

Gentlemen. Would it be to much to ask for this to be a civil discussion?

Please, be nice.





Yeah, kind of hard to do that when certain people are hell-bent on dragging the conversation into the gutter.


OK, but most of these conversations are not meant for this forum.


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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 8:48:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm

Gentlemen. Would it be to much to ask for this to be a civil discussion?

Please, be nice.





Yeah, kind of hard to do that when certain people are hell-bent on dragging the conversation into the gutter.


OK, but most of these conversations are not meant for this forum.



So don't read it. Problem solved, problem staying solved.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 9:24:56 PM   
rustysi


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There are certain rules governing this site. If YOU don't wish to adhere to them please leave.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 9:35:36 PM   
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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 9:42:37 PM   
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So if I post something of interest to me I have to tolerate your pissing and ****ting all over my thread?


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yep


If we have to tolerate you doing that all over the forum (which we do, unless you do something to get yourself banned)... then yes, what this guy said.

Maybe if you posted articles that weren't fact-lite/fact-free sensationalist "journalism"...

You also don't seem to understand that it's not your thread. This is a community. It belongs to all of us.



What is your malfunction? You not get enough attention from mommy and daddy so you make yourself the "gate keeper" of this forum?

You that much of a Drama queen that if you don't like a thread you come in, immediately denigrate the thread and drag the discussion into personal attacks which ends up getting said thread shut down.

That is you MO. You don't like the thread you shut it down.

I can assure you, Mr. Cartoon Character, you wouldn't try this **** face-to-face.


1) I'm doing no such thing (shutting down a thread).

2) Your not-so-veiled threats are likely outside the bounds of appropriate forum behavior. That's why your threads get locked, by the way. That said, I think you'd find my physical presence surprising.

3) I've instigated no personal attacks. You've confused my attack on your position, which is simply debate, with an attack on your person.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 9:48:09 PM   
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That said, I think you'd find my physical presence surprising.


Now, now boys, lets try and play nice.

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You've confused my attack on your position, which is simply debate, with an attack on your person.


There's a lot of that going on these days.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 9:49:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think people need to cool it. There's been a bit of back and forth incendiary in this thread, partially due to built-up bad blood in past threads. Rather than spouting or responding to such incendiary, either stick to the thread topic and its merits/demerits or don't post at all. For both of you, I think that's the best course here.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 10:27:13 PM   
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OK, cool it people. I'll lock this thread on the next attack.

If this behavior crops up anywhere else, please PM me and let me know, any contact with me will be kept confidential. I will bring up the perps to Matrix if necessary. The button to alert moderation does not work. I get a blank e-mail, but no information on where the problem is. I've been swamped with work stuff so I haven't been on top of things as much as I should have.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 10:51:48 PM   
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I think people need to cool it. There's been a bit of back and forth incendiary in this thread, partially due to built-up bad blood in past threads. Rather than spouting or responding to such incendiary, either stick to the thread topic and its merits/demerits or don't post at all. For both of you, I think that's the best course here.



It went south when Lokennsa made it personal. I wanted a civil discussion about the incident between India and Pakistan. He didn't like it and made it known he was going keep going on with his disdain for the thread.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 10:55:21 PM   
Anachro


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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 11:34:12 PM   
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Just click the green button and it disappears.



I can't find it. Is this how one blocks someone?

Any assistance would be appreciated.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 11:36:21 PM   
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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/6/2019 11:45:47 PM   
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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/7/2019 12:51:58 PM   
m10bob


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Status: offline 		Back around 1966 or so, an Indiana ANG L 19 Bird Dog was approaching a runway at Stout Field in Indiana, and right at the end of the runway was a Little league park.
Sure as heck, the timing was just right and a kid swung his bat and the ball went out and hit the windscreen of the approaching plane.

It did not crash...but it did make the local papers.

'Jus' sayin'...

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/7/2019 5:46:19 PM   
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Back around 1966 or so, an Indiana ANG L 19 Bird Dog was approaching a runway at Stout Field in Indiana, and right at the end of the runway was a Little league park.
Sure as heck, the timing was just right and a kid swung his bat and the ball went out and hit the windscreen of the approaching plane.

It did not crash...but it did make the local papers.

'Jus' sayin'...


Assuming this actually happened, that's rather amusing. Got a link?

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/7/2019 5:57:58 PM   
Lokasenna


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ORIGINAL: Anachro

I think people need to cool it. There's been a bit of back and forth incendiary in this thread, partially due to built-up bad blood in past threads. Rather than spouting or responding to such incendiary, either stick to the thread topic and its merits/demerits or don't post at all. For both of you, I think that's the best course here.



It went south when Lokennsa made it personal. I wanted a civil discussion about the incident between India and Pakistan. He didn't like it and made it known he was going keep going on with his disdain for the thread.


I'm sorry, but your thread title implies something entirely different - that the focus of the thread is on "the darling of the military-industrial complex", which is a completely loaded title. Which, assuming you learned how the green button works and decided that you'd rather bubble yourself off from any challenge or criticism of your posted positions, you'll never see because you've presumably buttoned me. Saying, essentially, "this nonsense again?" (while admittedly borderline rude) is not a personal attack. It's also a thread in the general subforum for WITP, where threads routinely veer wildly away from the original topic to anything even tangentially related or even completely unrelated joking between members of the community.


As for previous "bad blood", a few months ago I just helped this guy out with a movement question in another subforum. I'm honestly not even sure he realized that I was the one who'd posted what he even acknowledged was a helpful response to him.

As I previously stated, this is a community made up of all of us. As a member of the community, I am not going to remain silent in the face of browbeating and combatively-stated opinions with little in the way of fact backing them up, especially when such statements appear to be an attempt to ideologize the forum and turn it into an echo chamber that drives away opposing viewpoints. To not respond in as polite a fashion as possible, especially when we only have one (albeit very good) moderator, is to lose that battle by default.

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/8/2019 9:50:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really like the looks and story of the Mig-21

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-mig-21-the-fighter-jet-could-fly-100-years-21180

I even purchased it in DCS (PC combat simulator game), I haven't used it though... too difficult to lean, landing speed is insanely too fast

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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/8/2019 3:19:48 PM   
m10bob


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ORIGINAL: m10bob

Back around 1966 or so, an Indiana ANG L 19 Bird Dog was approaching a runway at Stout Field in Indiana, and right at the end of the runway was a Little league park.
Sure as heck, the timing was just right and a kid swung his bat and the ball went out and hit the windscreen of the approaching plane.

It did not crash...but it did make the local papers.

'Jus' sayin'...


Assuming this actually happened, that's rather amusing. Got a link?


I remember it from memory.. I was in the local CAP at the time and have always loved aviation..(Learned to fly in a WW2 vintage Piper J3 2 years later.
I just remember the story and at the time, I did verify it.
Of course, the plane was a prop so obviously the ball's trajectory HAD to be from a sideways angle to miss the prop, but nonetheless, it did crack the windscreen directly in front of the pilot.

(Somewhere here in the forum, I have provided a link to old airfields of the country and Stout Field in Indiana is one of them.
During the war, B-17's and P 51's were stationed there.



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RE: Mig 21 downs MIC darling... - 3/9/2019 1:56:34 PM   
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I really like the looks and story of the Mig-21

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-mig-21-the-fighter-jet-could-fly-100-years-21180

I even purchased it in DCS (PC combat simulator game), I haven't used it though... too difficult to lean, landing speed is insanely too fast



Dollar for dollar one of the best jets produced and if it turns out to be true a '21 shot down a F16 than a '21 could shoot down a F35.

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