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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 4:20:51 PM   
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Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike:
Japan

The Japanese launch two strikes, one of which is ART, against Chengchow

Germany

The Ju-87's and tasked with striking Lodz and Warsaw. A Heinkel is added to support the attack on Lodz

Weirdly the second throw on Warsaw does not appear - and yet the result is right as the second throw was a 5. I don't think I've ever seen MWIF do that before....



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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 4:37:51 PM   
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Ground Strike (cont):
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 4:48:06 PM   
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Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Germany

The Polish navy is overrun. Both ships make it to the UK (6 and 10 thrown). I sail them to Plymouth with the main CW fleet.

The three army groups move toward their objectives.

Italy

The Italians make some detailed changes on the French border

Japan

The Japanese manoeuvre toward Chengchow

Land Combat:
Germany

The Germans announce three attacks - all automatic,




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 5:25:34 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Germany

A FTR moves north of Warsaw.

HQ Reorganisation: None

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 5:28:20 PM   
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The ground strikes were all correct. Warsaw had three units in it. The first was disorganized by the first roll. Two rolls were made on the second, both missing. Finally, the third unit was disorganized by one roll. No more rolls were needed. In Lodz, the first plane disorganized one unit. The second plane only had one target, and failed to disorganize it in two rolls.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 5:37:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

The ground strikes were all correct. Warsaw had three units in it. The first was disorganized by the first roll. Two rolls were made on the second, both missing. Finally, the third unit was disorganized by one roll. No more rolls were needed. In Lodz, the first plane disorganized one unit. The second plane only had one target, and failed to disorganize it in two rolls.
warspite1

No you mis-understand - it was the second throw - the 5 - that was missing on the MWIF summary. As said, fortunately it made no difference to the outcome, but strange it is missing nonetheless

Roll Two
Generating 6 rolls of 1d10, 1 per line.
Comment: Warsaw

2
5
7
8
4
5

I re-did it and the 5 remained missing

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 5:44:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

The ground strikes were all correct. Warsaw had three units in it. The first was disorganized by the first roll. Two rolls were made on the second, both missing. Finally, the third unit was disorganized by one roll. No more rolls were needed. In Lodz, the first plane disorganized one unit. The second plane only had one target, and failed to disorganize it in two rolls.
warspite1

No you mis-understand - it was the second throw - the 5 - that was missing on the MWIF summary. As said, fortunately it made no difference to the outcome, but strange it is missing nonetheless

Roll Two
Generating 6 rolls of 1d10, 1 per line.
Comment: Warsaw

2
5
7
8
4
5

I re-did it and the 5 remained missing

I have seen that many times. 5 was rolled, but not needed as previous roll was good.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 5:51:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

The ground strikes were all correct. Warsaw had three units in it. The first was disorganized by the first roll. Two rolls were made on the second, both missing. Finally, the third unit was disorganized by one roll. No more rolls were needed. In Lodz, the first plane disorganized one unit. The second plane only had one target, and failed to disorganize it in two rolls.
warspite1

No you mis-understand - it was the second throw - the 5 - that was missing on the MWIF summary. As said, fortunately it made no difference to the outcome, but strange it is missing nonetheless

Roll Two
Generating 6 rolls of 1d10, 1 per line.
Comment: Warsaw

2
5
7
8
4
5

I re-did it and the 5 remained missing

I have seen that many times. 5 was rolled, but not needed as previous roll was good.
warspite1

No it was needed because it could have affected the outcome (fortunately in this case it didn't). It was the second throw, not the last one and should have been applied to the second Polish unit - not the 7 that was.


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 6:01:39 PM   
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I suspect that if you re-do it again you will notice that the second die roll, the five, is shown as targeting the unit that was already disorganized by the first die roll (the two). The die roll is in practice annulled, even though it is rolled. And, in my humble opinion, a ok way to do things. Although showing it in the ground strike summary would have been nice.

In short, it is ignored since the unit it is against is already disorganized by the first roll.

MWIF has done so repeatedly when there is a extra die roll from surprise.

Edit:

2,5 vs first unit. The 2 disorganize, so the 5 isn't shown.
7,8 vs second unit. No unit disorganize.
4,5 vs third unit. The 4 disorganize the target and the 5 is ignored and not shown.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 6:44:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

I suspect that if you re-do it again you will notice that the second die roll, the five, is shown as targeting the unit that was already disorganized by the first die roll (the two). The die roll is in practice annulled, even though it is rolled. And, in my humble opinion, a ok way to do things. Although showing it in the ground strike summary would have been nice.

In short, it is ignored since the unit it is against is already disorganized by the first roll.

MWIF has done so repeatedly when there is a extra die roll from surprise.

Edit:

2,5 vs first unit. The 2 disorganize, so the 5 isn't shown.
7,8 vs second unit. No unit disorganize.
4,5 vs third unit. The 4 disorganize the target and the 5 is ignored and not shown.
warspite1

Well that makes sense. I suspect that is what Courtenay was trying to say - so it was me that was not understanding. So on double throws the program does both throws on each unit before moving on - but then doesn't make the second throw if the first succeeds.


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 7:07:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

I suspect that if you re-do it again you will notice that the second die roll, the five, is shown as targeting the unit that was already disorganized by the first die roll (the two). The die roll is in practice annulled, even though it is rolled. And, in my humble opinion, a ok way to do things. Although showing it in the ground strike summary would have been nice.

In short, it is ignored since the unit it is against is already disorganized by the first roll.

MWIF has done so repeatedly when there is a extra die roll from surprise.

Edit:

2,5 vs first unit. The 2 disorganize, so the 5 isn't shown.
7,8 vs second unit. No unit disorganize.
4,5 vs third unit. The 4 disorganize the target and the 5 is ignored and not shown.
warspite1

Well that makes sense. I suspect that is what Courtenay was trying to say - so it was me that was not understanding. So on double throws the program does both throws on each unit before moving on - but then doesn't make the second throw if the first succeeds.


Yes, rolling 1,1,10,10 sucks...

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 8:03:45 PM   
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Warspite1, I think it's easy to swap 5-4 MOT with 5-5 MOT. Also that 6 moving AT is coming next turn, do you want it to map for this turn?

How will Germany place their reserves?

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 8:16:08 PM   
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Warspite1, I think it's easy to swap 5-4 MOT with 5-5 MOT. Also that 6 moving AT is coming next turn, do you want it to map for this turn?

How will Germany place their reserves?
warspite1

No thanks - I will go with what I have.

As I'm in the other game at the moment, for the sake of moving the game on, please place where you think sensible. I am looking for everything possible to be on the Western Front east of the Dutch-Belgian border. Thank-you.


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 8:52:23 PM   
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S/O 39 Allied 2

CW and France declare war, 3 is rolled and US gets mad. One good marker was removed.

CW and France naval action, others combined.


Naval move
USSR CA loaded with INF div to Black Sea box 4.

France sends 3 cruisers to 3-4 boxes on Baltic Sea, TRS loaded with INF from Algiers to West Med box 0 and few escorting ships to CSV and BOB.

CW sends escorts to northern sea areas.
The Queens loaded with TER from Cape Town to Red Sea.
TRS loaded with ARM HQ to Toulon.
Ships to box 1 and 4 on North Sea.

US
2x TRS loaded with FTR2 and one submarine to Honolulu area sea zones.

France attacks German convoys.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 8:57:56 PM   
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Baltic Sea: Allied 8, Axis 10. No combat.

Strategic bombing
France attacks, and it's a perfect success.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 9:00:32 PM   
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CW Blenheim hits German MOT.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 9:16:35 PM   
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No, I did not understand what was happening with the die rolls.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/24/2019 9:19:08 PM   
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Rail move
US rail INF div from east coast to west coast.


Land move
Mongolian CAV moves NE.
Nationalist Chinese take empty cities Wuhan and Nanchang. Few units moves northwards.


Rebase
Chinese fighter few hexes north.
CW sends Polish pilots to Romania.
US NAV from west coast to east coast.


Reorg
Wavell reorganizes TRS.


Weather stays nice.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 7:27:25 AM   
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Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Naval Air: None

Naval Movement: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Japan

The Japanese march on Wuhan and consolidate around Chengchow.

Germany

The Germans start withdrawing armour from Poland for some R+R and move on Lodz.

Land Combat:
Japan

The Japanese announce an attack on Wuhan. It's currently automatic but the Chinese can bring in a bomber. The Japanese bring a bomber and a fighter to the hex.

What do the Chinese want to do?

Germany

An attack on Lodz is announced. The odds are 50:8 5:1 The Poles can use HQ Support.

What do they want to do?


IGNORE ALL THIS I NEED TO GO TO WORK AND WILL DO PROPERLY WITH PICTURES TONIGHT.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 8:36:26 AM   
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It’s all clear.

Chinese don’t send plane.

Polish use HQ support and choose assault.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 3:03:47 PM   
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Nevermind ...


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 4:30:32 PM   
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Nevermind ...


Tell us what you think, Ronnie.

Can we move 3 planes from destroyed pool to reserve pool (or any other place)?

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 4:53:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Nevermind ...


Tell us what you think, Ronnie.

Can we move 3 planes from destroyed pool to reserve pool (or any other place)?

Not sure but this is how I'd go about it. These are the US carrier planes right? Do you have a game save during or after US setup but before you ended setup? If so, I'd go to that save and move those three planes to the reserve pool. I'd then save it under another filename. Then, I would just copy all the lines associated with those three planes and paste them over the corresponding lines in a COPY of your current game file.

If you don't have a game save that you made, you could keep going through a "game start" until you got a start that had those three planes and use that.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 5:06:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rkr1958


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer


quote:

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Nevermind ...


Tell us what you think, Ronnie.

Can we move 3 planes from destroyed pool to reserve pool (or any other place)?

Not sure but this is how I'd go about it. These are the US carrier planes right? Do you have a game save during or after US setup but before you ended setup? If so, I'd go to that save and move those three planes to the reserve pool. I'd then save it under another filename. Then, I would just copy all the lines associated with those three planes and paste them over the corresponding lines in a COPY of your current game file.

If you don't have a game save that you made, you could keep going through a "game start" until you got a start that had those three planes and use that.

I have a save and will test that.

How do you place them to reserve at the start?

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 5:27:00 PM   
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Right I've re-done the land movement to properly optimise the German position - I was rushing this morning as I had to leave for work - hence the instruction to ignore the post (I didn't fancy writing all that out again). This has changed the odds in Poland.

Sep/Oct 1939
Impulse: 3 (Axis)


Land Combat:
Germany

An attack on Lodz is announced. The odds are 68:8 8:1+1 The Poles can use HQ Support. The Germans bring in two bombers.

Japan

The Japanese announce an attack on Wuhan. It's currently automatic but the Chinese can bring in a bomber. The Japanese bring a bomber and a fighter to the hex.

Land Combat Resolution:
Germany

As usual I take in order of the program. So the German attack first. The HQ Support works and takes the odds to 7:1+1. I assume the Assault table or its automatic.

The fractionals fail and the land throw was a 2(3). Both Poles are destroyed and all Germans disorganised.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 5:32:56 PM   
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Land Combat Resolution:
Japan

This attack is automatic and the division is destroyed. Congress couldn't give a monkeys about this development (a 4 is thrown)




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 5:38:57 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Japan

A FTR and a LND are re-based in range of Wuhan.

Germany

The Germans continue rebasing from the east (3 x FTR) and move a ATR to Essen.

HQ Reorganisation:
Germany

All 3 HQ reorganise the maximum troops

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 6:01:39 PM   
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quote:

Congress couldn't give a monkeys about this development (a 4 is thrown)


Dang, that was the reason we sent that division. To get attention and help to our cause!

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 6:14:45 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

Congress couldn't give a monkeys about this development (a 4 is thrown)


Dang, that was the reason we sent that division. To get attention and help to our cause!
warspite1

Well it diverted troops from Chengchow so it didn't die for nothing.


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 3/25/2019 6:25:42 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Congress couldn't give a monkeys about this development (a 4 is thrown)


Dang, that was the reason we sent that division. To get attention and help to our cause!
warspite1

Well it diverted troops from Chengchow so it didn't die for nothing.


I though you attack Chengchow and I can safe with that division. Defenders of Chengchow salute the heroes!

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