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SigInt Report - 5/15/2019 4:38:25 PM   
AleRonin


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Radio transmissions detected at XXX base or Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at XXX base

means there are TFs docked in this base or can be ground units as well?
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/15/2019 5:05:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heavy volume indicates TFs. Other radio intercepts include coast watchers, submarines, TFs and LCUs.

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/15/2019 5:44:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've seen players often interpreting "heavy volume" as possible carrier TFs if it happens somewhere outside major bases. Which makes sense as every plane has a radio and there are many of them

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/15/2019 5:58:01 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/15/2019 6:14:50 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/15/2019 8:59:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

I've seen players often interpreting "heavy volume" as possible carrier TFs if it happens somewhere outside major bases. Which makes sense as every plane has a radio and there are many of them

That could also be a large Amphib/Transport TF. I believe from my own experience is when TFs are given orders by the player a chance of detection of radio signals occurs. The more orders or ships in the TF, the more chances of detections.

So giving re-routing instructions to a large TF already at sea runs the risk of giving the enemy a clue that something is out there. Better to set the routing with waypoints before the TF leaves port.

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 12:53:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've never run into an enemy carrier TF giving out heavy radio anywhere other than a base. They go radio silent. The radios the aircraft carry are short ranged and are not involved in the sigint reports. Nonetheless I give close inspection to any radio intercepts in the middle of the ocean.

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 11:33:24 AM   
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I've never run into an enemy carrier TF giving out heavy radio anywhere other than a base. They go radio silent. The radios the aircraft carry are short ranged and are not involved in the sigint reports. Nonetheless I give close inspection to any radio intercepts in the middle of the ocean.


On Allied kitchen sink invasions, I always get hvy volume reports at sea! Documented in my AARs.

hvy volume at port often indicates the loading/unloading of troops.

Nobody has made an effort at understanding the nuances here to the best of my knowledge....it is potentially an important source of information.

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 12:05:25 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 12:53:30 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 2:14:19 PM   
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On Allied kitchen sink invasions,


Sorry Lowpe, can you explain me what does it means?
My English is not so good

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 2:22:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AleRonin

Thanks for your feedbacks!


quote:

On Allied kitchen sink invasions,


Sorry Lowpe, can you explain me what does it means?
My English is not so good


"Almost everything, whether needed or not." I had to google that too.

It is one of those things that English teachers always forget to teach you.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/everything_but_the_kitchen_sink#English


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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 2:25:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that he means that the Allies will take their entire battle fleet as well as a lot of divisions to invade somewhere. It comes from the phrase "everything but the kitchen sink" where anything and everything possible is included even if it is not necessary. It is often used for people who pack too much stuff for a two day trip

https://www.theidioms.com/everything-but-the-kitchen-sink/



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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 2:33:59 PM   
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He did.

The shipping costed several times the value of the stuff.

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 2:38:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AleRonin

When I receive a message like this:

Radio transmissions detected at XXX base or Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at XXX base

means there are TFs docked in this base or can be ground units as well?


Yes. It means that either there are TFs docked or unloading or loading or active in the hex. Or it means that there are LCUs present.

All of this tells you precisely nothing actionable. I've had radio intercepts from Allied units cut off in the Borneo jungle for 6 months. Landlocked, not going anywhere, not gaining force strength and of no meaningful importance to anything.

As a Japanese player, assume that any radio intercept from CONUS is CONUS being CONUS. Same with Hawai'i.

Radio intercepts from locations that aren't known to have Allied presence are more interesting. Lots of radio intercepts from Nuka Hiva? May be worth looking into.

The 'best' information from radio intercepts is when these intercepts are from open sea hexes. Invariably, these are from TFs that slip in their radio discipline. The origination location can be extrapolated and targeted for future submarine operations. I've had quite a bit of luck with these sort of open sea submarine intercepts based around these target hexes.

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 3:27:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tarkalak

Sometimes intel-san just-ah make stuff up for raughs.




Yes, Admiral King was not happy about something and he can be heard all the way across the Pacific!

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 3:32:39 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 3:41:26 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 8:07:03 PM   
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Actually, it might have been some angry housewife throwing plates around . . .


Ben Affleck's wife is always throwing plates and stuff around.

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 8:57:04 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/16/2019 9:27:39 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 7:20:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Coming late on the "kitchen sink" topic - first time I came across this colloquialism was in a funny anecdote in Ryan's book "A bridge too far". Going from memory so the exact details may differ, but there you go: A group of British paratroopers are taking cover from heavy shelling in the large basement room of a building situated near the famous bridge at Arnhem. German artillery, mortars and tanks are plastering the area. One guy observes "Gee, the Jerries are throwing everything at us but the kitchen sink!". A moment later a loud explosion on the floor above, the roof in the far corner of the room collapses and among bricks, timber beams and debris a kitchen sink is coming crashing down. After the dust settles the same guy comments dryly "Good Lord, I knew the bastards were close, but I didn't know they are so close they can hear us talking!" Love the British phlegm!

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 11:33:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Coming late on the "kitchen sink" topic - first time I came across this colloquialism was in a funny anecdote in Ryan's book "A bridge too far". Going from memory so the exact details may differ, but there you go: A group of British paratroopers are taking cover from heavy shelling in the large basement room of a building situated near the famous bridge at Arnhem. German artillery, mortars and tanks are plastering the area. One guy observes "Gee, the Jerries are throwing everything at us but the kitchen sink!". A moment later a loud explosion on the floor above, the roof in the far corner of the room collapses and among bricks, timber beams and debris a kitchen sink is coming crashing down. After the dust settles the same guy comments dryly "Good Lord, I knew the bastards were close, but I didn't know they are so close they can hear us talking!" Love the British phlegm!


Thanks for sharing, now I know the birth of this idiom

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 3:15:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I think that he means that the Allies will take their entire battle fleet as well as a lot of divisions to invade somewhere. It comes from the phrase "everything but the kitchen sink" where anything and everything possible is included even if it is not necessary. It is often used for people who pack too much stuff for a two day trip

https://www.theidioms.com/everything-but-the-kitchen-sink/




"It is often used for people who pack too much stuff for a two day trip"

Save yourself some time from needless typing next time, and just type "Wife".


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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 3:21:47 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 4:50:52 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 5:34:49 PM   
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This is why it is important to have multiple large TFs be created at multiple large ports on the same turn as you create a CV TF at Pearl. If you don't and the only TF created is the one at Pearl the Japanese player has a good indication you're coming out with your carriers.


That depends on where you base your CV's....GP

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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 7:45:35 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/17/2019 11:33:43 PM   
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RE: SigInt Report - 5/18/2019 4:40:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Coming late on the "kitchen sink" topic - first time I came across this colloquialism was in a funny anecdote in Ryan's book "A bridge too far". Going from memory so the exact details may differ, but there you go: A group of British paratroopers are taking cover from heavy shelling in the large basement room of a building situated near the famous bridge at Arnhem. German artillery, mortars and tanks are plastering the area. One guy observes "Gee, the Jerries are throwing everything at us but the kitchen sink!". A moment later a loud explosion on the floor above, the roof in the far corner of the room collapses and among bricks, timber beams and debris a kitchen sink is coming crashing down. After the dust settles the same guy comments dryly "Good Lord, I knew the bastards were close, but I didn't know they are so close they can hear us talking!" Love the British phlegm!


Thanks, now I'm going to have to watch that movie again.


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