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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 7:25:32 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 10:22:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for that Ian - where does the 25 knots come from? I know she had less SHP than Wasp but she also displaced less. And the pitching comment is interesting. If it was a problem for her what about the poor CVEs? But I guess the fact that the USN borrowed one of the RN's CVs (was it Formidable?), going through the pain of 'Americanizing her, with her very small airgroup, instead of using Ranger sort of says it all.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 1:09:01 PM   
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Thanks for that Ian - where does the 25 knots come from? I know she had less SHP than Wasp but she also displaced less. And the pitching comment is interesting. If it was a problem for her what about the poor CVEs? But I guess the fact that the USN borrowed one of the RN's CVs (was it Formidable?), going through the pain of 'Americanizing her, with her very small airgroup, instead of using Ranger sort of says it all.


Can't answer the 25kt part (all the sources I've seen say ~28kts), but the amount a ship pitches and rolls is not just a function of her displacement. Length to beam ratio, metacentric height, details of the hull shape, and probably other factors (my dad was the naval architect, not me) play a part.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 2:49:39 PM   
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Thanks for that Ian - where does the 25 knots come from? I know she had less SHP than Wasp but she also displaced less. And the pitching comment is interesting. If it was a problem for her what about the poor CVEs? But I guess the fact that the USN borrowed one of the RN's CVs (was it Formidable?), going through the pain of 'Americanizing her, with her very small airgroup, instead of using Ranger sort of says it all.


There were some proceedings in or about 1939 - at the time the designs for the various Vinson Acts that became the mass produced Essex/Baltimore/Cleveland were being developed and standardized - the skipper of the Ranger actually gave sworn testimony, as I understand it. Not sure if it was a Senate appropriations hearing, but could be.

The "USS Robin" was the HMS Victorious, taken in hand, and it is fair to say improved in operational capability with heavier arrester gear and the like, by the USN and spent 6 months in the Solomon's to fill the gap (in about May- November 1943).

The USN (& accordingly, RN) CVEs were built on something approximating a tanker hull, which apparently is quite a stable platform.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/9/2019 2:51:49 PM   
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When I play Rule the Waves, I use the "Pathogen" class DDs. Ebola, Malaria, Salmonella, etc.


That's awesome.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/10/2019 4:37:10 PM   
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When I play Rule the Waves, I use the "Pathogen" class DDs. Ebola, Malaria, Salmonella, etc.


That's awesome.


Figures you would think that.


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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/10/2019 5:28:10 PM   
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When I play Rule the Waves, I use the "Pathogen" class DDs. Ebola, Malaria, Salmonella, etc.


That's awesome.


Figures you would think that.


CB is a very sophisticated virus...it only attacks threads that have shown higher intelligence.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/10/2019 6:22:26 PM   
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When I play Rule the Waves, I use the "Pathogen" class DDs. Ebola, Malaria, Salmonella, etc.

That's awesome.

Figures you would think that.

CB is a very sophisticated virus...it only attacks threads that have shown higher intelligence.


How would he know which threads have higher intelligence?

Oh wait, that is probably most of them . . .

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/10/2019 7:12:44 PM   
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When I play Rule the Waves, I use the "Pathogen" class DDs. Ebola, Malaria, Salmonella, etc.

That's awesome.

Figures you would think that.

CB is a very sophisticated virus...it only attacks threads that have shown higher intelligence.


How would he know which threads have higher intelligence?

Oh wait, that is probably most of them . . .

The virus control program is user 'Marylee96'. It is a super-intelligent bot from Planet 9 (10 if you count Pluto).

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 4:16:44 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 4:18:56 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 7:42:57 AM   
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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 4:38:35 PM   
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The USS Constitution is still an active ship on the US Navy register of ships.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that when the Lexington class battle cruisers were being considered that there was a movement to rename USS Constitution to "USS Old Ironsides"

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 4:42:17 PM   
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The USS Constitution is still an active ship on the US Navy register of ships.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that when the Lexington class battle cruisers were being considered that there was a movement to rename USS Constitution to "USS Old Ironsides"

Nah! Can't change the name of such a historic vessel! Just name the new Battle Cruiser something really similar, like USS Constipation.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 5:26:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me there is enough history in the game already. A little fun with names makes me pay attention more to see what happens.

So renames occur in order,
- After carriers lost in the game, I.E. Yorktown II.
- My full name and initials. I like to see that in game messages, etc.
- After Battle Star Galactica Battlestars: I.E. Galactica, Pegasus, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_(fictional_spacecraft)

At some point in '44, I'll have a carrier, cruiser and destroyer with my name all in the same TF.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 6:00:15 PM   
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The USS Constitution is still an active ship on the US Navy register of ships.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that when the Lexington class battle cruisers were being considered that there was a movement to rename USS Constitution to "USS Old Ironsides"

Nah! Can't change the name of such a historic vessel! Just name the new Battle Cruiser something really similar, like USS Constipation.

Whoa there! That's a different thread.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 11:13:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		After WW1 the USS Constitution was renamed IX something or other to free up the name for one of the Lex class Battle cruisers. Didn't make it and old Ironsides floats with us today - probably in better shape than she has been in for over 100 years.

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RE: The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniver... - 8/11/2019 11:22:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		After further research, I found this from Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships, Navy Department, Naval History and Heritage Command:

"On 1 December 1917, she was renamed Old Constitution to free her name for a planned, new Lexington-class battlecruiser. The name Constitution was originally destined for the lead ship of the class, but it got shuffled around between hulls until CC-5 was given the name; construction of CC-5 was canceled in 1923 due to the Washington Naval Treaty. The incomplete hull was sold for scrap, and Old Constitution was granted the return of her name on 24 July 1925."

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