Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

There just weren't enough fifty caliber M2 machines to equip the British bombers as well.

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ORIGINAL: Evoken

Castor have you ever tried setting your layered cap to 2-3-4k instead of 5-10-15k ? I have seen some promising results in the other thread , would be worth trying.

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ORIGINAL: Alpha77

Also the argument by Mind Messing regarding CAP being "out of position" if the next wave arrives, this does not hold up. If 80 fighters are in the air, and 3 bombers fleeing after dropping bombs, for sure not the whole unit would pursue thsese 3 planes, but perhaps 4-5 which would be "out of position" leaving still ca. 70 for the next wave (depending on fuel of course)

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Morning Air attack on Hyderabad , at 39,32

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 40,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 40
Ki-84a Frank x 83

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed


damn it, could have known that 16 P-47 is not going to be all on the sweep and this time we face 26... more P-47 at MAX altitude of course means MORE dives... this time there weren't 6 dives, but 14, result were 11 fighters shot down during the P-47 dives for NO P-47 lost... I'm not talking about damaged ones that crash later or being write offs, talking about outright kills during the air combat... so the 11 downed IJ fighters right at the start mean that this is going to be a disaster when it comes down to total K/D ratio as our fighters, despite still outnumbering the enemy 4:1 were only able to down 2 P-47 right away with a couple more being damaged...

end result was somewhere around 25 IJ fighters lost for 10 P-47, without the dive (that apparantly has no effect in the game) and the kills during it the P-47 would have lost in total kills... another 10+ fighters were downed by the B-24J...


Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 37000 feet
2 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 37000 feet

CAP engaged:
263 Ku S-2 with N1K2-J George (3 airborne, 19 on standby, 2 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
13 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 18 on standby, 1 scrambling)
21 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 31514.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
54th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (3 airborne, 21 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
19 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 31514.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: Evoken

Castor have you ever tried setting your layered cap to 2-3-4k instead of 5-10-15k ? I have seen some promising results in the other thread , would be worth trying.

can do even though I've never seen it neutralizing the intial dives. You come in higher, you get the dive. When the dive is done, it's equal fight, it's just the initial dive phase that makes every somewhat decent fighter a Starwars X-fighter piloted by a Jedimaster.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

There just weren't enough fifty caliber M2 machines to equip the British bombers as well.

Really? The Brits didn't get that many B-24 so how many cal.50 are we talking about? A couple of hundred?

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Asumptions, abstractions, whatever...

While I have learnt from your comments that I have no clue about ground combat, ground movement, flak, A2A and what not else I now get to learn I also don't know the stats of a P-47 or I don't know how to compare it to Georges and Franks.

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Ok, it's not the dive.

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But it might be you not reading what I post:

11 fighters shot down during the P-47 dives for NO P-47 lost

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when the dive ended, it was equal fight. How could that be when the P-47 is oh so superior? How could it be to have a 11:0 K/D turn into a worse than 1:1 K/D for the oh so superior P-47? The dive isn't important, all that is important is trying to find an abstraction that isn't there. BETWEEN THE 11:0 AND 1:1 K/D WAS ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE, THE DIVE!

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Stats don't change during combat, all that changed was the sweeper not having the dive anymore. I've been saying it for a decade, the dive is way too powerful and your oh so praised air team lead replied at some point it is totally gaming the game to do these kind of sweeps aka strato sweeps. What are you doing? Finding an abstraction for this and that. Funny. Not.

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Really, I've said it before and I will repeat, this is not worth it! Not at all, it's only annoying to have a discussion that is ignoring what actually is happening.

You: The dive isn't important. Everything else is important. You (castor) are not getting it at all. You (castor) have no clue.

Real result in the game: The dive got the P-47 a 11:0 kill rate while it lasted, without the dive they didn't achieve even 1:1.

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Again, not worth it, it has become totally ridicoulos and I'll just stop here. If you wanna keep it in this AAR I'll as well stop the AAR and leave you in your fantasy world of abstractions and what not. Have only found one AAR in the AAR section and I wasn't impressed at all so I wonder who is trying to teach me here.

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I'm not impressed.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Didn't even take the time to read your post, only looked at the last three lines and I've only skimmed through that single AAR I've found and two funny highlights were found:

A) A Japanese invasion of Luzon that was nearly driven back into the SEA

B) Parts of KB being whiped out by a couple of light cruisers and destroyers as the carriers were moving around without any escorts that's been the best read I've had for a long time

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You Sir, would be far better off not being such a loudmouth or not rate any players because if I would just post these two incidents on the main forum I would get a reply like "the AI totally sucks, can't handle the game" just to find out it's coming from a PBEM

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To my surprise (not) the AAR stopped sometime in 42? What a laugh.

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For your info, I didn't even care to read all that text above, it's just laughable that people claim to know how the game works but fail to play it succesfully.

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I'll just compare your two fails above with what Mundy has done:

A) he invaded Calcutta with about 12,000 av. How many people on the forum would bet on the Japanese at Calcutta to hold the town easily with 2000av? Unlike you at Luzon he brought quite an Army and he didn't exactly know what he would face. Who wouldn't know what he faces on Luzon in early 42? Just a pro like you it seems.

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B) he lost his carriers too, in an engagement where he brought 800 carrier based aircraft while I brought 1100. Quite a difference to losing halve of KB to light cruisers and destroyers.

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If you wanna reply, don't bet on it if I read it and if you have another AAR with fails to read, well, I've already wasted my time skimming through your fails in 42. There's one thing I really have respect of, your balls to actually post that on the forum. And if you want to keep this nonsense going, keep it going outside of my AAR, a good idea would be to bring back your AAR and we can happily discuss what all has gone wrong and how this could happen to a guy that perfectly knows all the game. And if he doesn't, he finds an abstraction that isn't there. Must be the resurrection of that snoopy guy with his air (non) coordination guide.

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Swift, Miller, MrKane, JohnIII to name only four guys where I remember their nicks must have been all noobs when I've played them so I'm glad they finally get to know that. All those inexperienced guys that joined the forum nearly a decade before you. Applause.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

That text wall, not going to read it as I've hardly read parts of your earlier posts as it turns out to be wasted time.

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Was long enough to skim through your AAR but at least the way carrier operations were handled in the South Pacific pretty much made my day and a lot has confirmed my oppinion.

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In the meantime I've also received three PMs suggesting I shouldn't even answer you anymore before having the AAR stalled but this is the direction it has taken anyways as I'm already fully ignoring text walls like this.

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Bad luck to always find a superior player, isn't it?

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I do tell you one thing though as this is also something two forum members have pointed out. If you want to comment on my opponent then do it in his AAR at least as this is a restricted one and Mundy can't comment until the game ended and it pretty much stinks to comment on his inferiour skills while you handle your carriers in an AI fashion, this in the year 2019 it seems.

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Any other comments won't follow, just not going to read any more of your text walls trying to justify your own fails and pointing out flawed gameplay of others.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

That text wall, not going to read it as I've hardly read parts of your earlier posts as it turns out to be wasted time. Was long enough to skim through your AAR but at least the way carrier operations were handled in the South Pacific pretty much made my day and a lot has confirmed my oppinion.

In the meantime I've also received three PMs suggesting I shouldn't even answer you anymore before having the AAR stalled but this is the direction it has taken anyways as I'm already fully ignoring text walls like this. Bad luck to always find a superior player, isn't it? I do tell you one thing though as this is also something two forum members have pointed out. If you want to comment on my opponent then do it in his AAR at least as this is a restricted one and Mundy can't comment until the game ended and it pretty much stinks to comment on his inferiour skills while you handle your carriers in an AI fashion, this in the year 2019 it seems.

Any other comments won't follow, just not going to read any more of your text walls trying to justify your own fails and pointing out flawed gameplay of others.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Hooohooo! Google search boy chimes in too. Now if I have ignored those posts on the main forum for all those years how hard will it be to ignore it in my AAR? Must be like cat pooh. It always smells and there's that guy who always has an oppinion on every topic posting his lyrics. Must have been years now when I've last asked if he already has started playing the game, not even sure if he owns it. There is one thing I truly respect mindmessing for, he actually plays the game which must be a mile ahead of Google search boy that has yet to post a single combat report of his own game AFAIK. But then, my search skills surely aren't comparable to his as I haven't found any during the minute I tried.

A real dream would come true for the whole forum to see a PBEM AAR, like Google search boy in the Japanese corner and Admiral unescorted carrier group in the other. Game starts Dec 7th 1941, ending Feb 20th 1942 due to brilliant actions of either player.

Perhaps I could put my name below every post so it looks more like the posts of the forum elitists.

castor

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Hooohooo! Google search boy chimes in too. Now if I have ignored those posts on the main forum for all those years how hard will it be to ignore it in my AAR? Must be like cat pooh. It always smells and there's that guy who always has an oppinion on every topic posting his lyrics. Must have been years now when I've last asked if he already has started playing the game, not even sure if he owns it. There is one thing I truly respect mindmessing for, he actually plays the game which must be a mile ahead of Google search boy that has yet to post a single combat report of his own game AFAIK. But then, my search skills surely aren't comparable to his as I haven't found any during the minute I tried.

A real dream would come true for the whole forum to see a PBEM AAR, like Google search boy in the Japanese corner and Admiral unescorted carrier group in the other. Game starts Dec 7th 1941, ending Feb 20th 1942 due to brilliant actions of either player.

Perhaps I could put my name below every post so it looks more like the posts of the forum elitists.

castor

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Hooohooo! Google search boy chimes in too. Now if I have ignored those posts on the main forum for all those years how hard will it be to ignore it in my AAR? Must be like cat pooh. It always smells and there's that guy who always has an oppinion on every topic posting his lyrics. Must have been years now when I've last asked if he already has started playing the game, not even sure if he owns it. There is one thing I truly respect mindmessing for, he actually plays the game which must be a mile ahead of Google search boy that has yet to post a single combat report of his own game AFAIK. But then, my search skills surely aren't comparable to his as I haven't found any during the minute I tried.

A real dream would come true for the whole forum to see a PBEM AAR, like Google search boy in the Japanese corner and Admiral unescorted carrier group in the other. Game starts Dec 7th 1941, ending Feb 20th 1942 due to brilliant actions of either player.

Perhaps I could put my name below every post so it looks more like the posts of the forum elitists.

castor

A few comments in response.

1. Attempting to disparage Alfred's knowledge of the game mechanics is laughable. It serves to only highlight your own insecurities around your lack of game knowledge.

2. Again, you confuse game knowledge with game performance. The two are quite different. This point shouldn't need explanation, but happy to provide it if you find it hard to comprehend.

3. I agree that you're search skills aren't comparable. This is likely something you should focus on in future, as it will help you to develop your insights into what generates the outcomes you see in game. I think you'd agree that being able to distinguish between a code issue and an intended outcome would be helpful. Even more so seeing as your particular copy of AE seems to have an exceptionally large number of non-replicable code issues

4. Can I ask you to clarify what you mean by forum elitist? Seems a curious turn of phrase.

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

This is what I have missed ... rantin' Castor at his best. Dang guy, welcome back.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

This is what I have missed ... rantin' Castor at his best. Dang guy, welcome back.

One thing I have to dissapoint you though is that I'm not going to reply those guys that try to prove... I don't know what as I've stopped reading their posts. Those of Google search boy pretty much when he claimed the (non) air coordination guide is a good way to get coordinated strikes (which perfectly shows that using Google search and playing the game is quite a difference - must have been ten years ago I guess) and Admiral unescorted carrier group's posts when I realized how skilled he was which must perfectly enable him to rate the skills of other players, that apparently haven't lost their IJ game in mid 42 already. Perfectly knowing how to do stuff and not being able to do is also something I have to wonder about.

But hey, let them do their posts, if someone has a laugh then they have served a purpose in this AAR. I guess reading a book about fishing enables the reader to teach the fisher how to fish, at least that's how it comes around. In the meantime we keep seeing AARs that make it into 42 and end there for whatever reason. Again, one of them at least plays the game, the other got an oppinion on everything on this world and copy pastes his lyrics into every thread on the forum, pretty strange disorder.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

This is what I have missed ... rantin' Castor at his best. Dang guy, welcome back.

One thing I have to dissapoint you though is that I'm not going to reply those guys that try to prove... I don't know what as I've stopped reading their posts. Those of Google search boy pretty much when he claimed the (non) air coordination guide is a good way to get coordinated strikes (which perfectly shows that using Google search and playing the game is quite a difference - must have been ten years ago I guess) and Admiral unescorted carrier group's posts when I realized how skilled he was which must perfectly enable him to rate the skills of other players, that apparently haven't lost their IJ game in mid 42 already. Perfectly knowing how to do stuff and not being able to do is also something I have to wonder about.

But hey, let them do their posts, if someone has a laugh then they have served a purpose in this AAR. I guess reading a book about fishing enables the reader to teach the fisher how to fish, at least that's how it comes around. In the meantime we keep seeing AARs that make it into 42 and end there for whatever reason. Again, one of them at least plays the game, the other got an oppinion on everything on this world and copy pastes his lyrics into every thread on the forum, pretty strange disorder.

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


Having said all of that, you do burn bridges and I suspect that Alfred won't be posting in your AAR's any more. That's unfortunate as he does possess a lot of insight into how the game works and when the NDA doesn't preclude it, will share some of that insight.

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ORIGINAL: szmike

while AAR is not boring with all the rants and replies, and Allied player getting himself trashed, I have to wonder whether troll feeding is a way to keep the forum alive