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Question for developers - 12/1/2019 11:19:10 PM

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I think that you have the foundation of a really good game for a not very large but loyal player base. You also have, as far as I understand, limited resources. So my question is this, and this is based on the fact that I think that a lot of the players of this game are really knowledgable and dedicated to make this a really good game for years to come, look at WINSPMBT, its 23 years old and still played.

Can we help you in any way besides buying the game and DLCs?

Obviously we cant program, at least I cant, but can we do other stuff so you can focus on the programming?

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RE: Question for developers - 12/1/2019 11:40:27 PM

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Very good idea, this group of gamers are the best, very helpful.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/2/2019 9:33:25 AM

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Can we help you in any way besides buying the game and DLCs?

Obviously we cant program, at least I cant, but can we do other stuff so you can focus on the programming?

Map making. That's where we could use helping hands. The process of cleaning up a map is very laborious.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/2/2019 2:46:53 PM

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So a map we could produce that you could use in the game, correct?

So by risk of this being a spoiler, which terrain?

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RE: Question for developers - 12/2/2019 4:52:55 PM

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Map making. That's where we could use helping hands. The process of cleaning up a map is very laborious.

I heard that adjustable transparency option for preview for map-editing mode will be installed in next patch. Is this true? That will be really helpful for map cleaning using AB map-editing mode!! I mean, right now we all have to switch back and forth the preview and game-view inside map-editing mode, but overlapping with transparency will help us to draw map inside AB easier.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/2/2019 5:00:19 PM

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So a map we could produce that you could use in the game, correct?

So by risk of this being a spoiler, which terrain?

Hello, I'm making a map for Korea, the southern approach of city of Pyongyang more precisely (Of course as a modding project, not official AB DLC

). I'm targeting 60km x 60km but I will just try to finish the first 30km x 30km and will see the next one. If you are interested, please let me know, any helping hand will be greatly appreciated.

But please don't feel burden, you can start your own map project for any place you want. There were several discussions in this forum and mod forum for next possible region for AB. Map making manual of this game is very well written, you can just follow to make a good map for your own area of interest.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/2/2019 9:13:06 PM

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So a map we could produce that you could use in the game, correct?

So by risk of this being a spoiler, which terrain?

Ideally our own map designer will do the initial setup and creates a raw version of the map, and each volunteer is given his own sector(s) to tidy up with the in-game map editor.

Frankly, we don't know yet which regions will be made first.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/2/2019 9:16:21 PM

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Map making. That's where we could use helping hands. The process of cleaning up a map is very laborious.

I heard that adjustable transparency option for preview for map-editing mode will be installed in next patch. Is this true? That will be really helpful for map cleaning using AB map-editing mode!! I mean, right now we all have to switch back and forth the preview and game-view inside map-editing mode, but overlapping with transparency will help us to draw map inside AB easier.

Yes, after the LOS tool features have been completed I'll implement the transparent preview map, and then we should have everything ready for the next patch.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/2/2019 9:40:57 PM

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Map making. That's where we could use helping hands. The process of cleaning up a map is very laborious.

I heard that adjustable transparency option for preview for map-editing mode will be installed in next patch. Is this true? That will be really helpful for map cleaning using AB map-editing mode!! I mean, right now we all have to switch back and forth the preview and game-view inside map-editing mode, but overlapping with transparency will help us to draw map inside AB easier.

Yes, after the LOS tool features have been completed I'll implement the transparent preview map, and then we should have everything ready for the next patch.

That would be great. I heard from 22sec or someone else that there were more scripts to make map-editing and clean up easier. If you have more time in the future, it would be great to implement all those as a in-game map-editing menu. You guys updated a lot for scenario and campaign making, I think map-editing menu inside AB main menu with all those features will be helpful in the future. Thank you!

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RE: Question for developers - 12/3/2019 12:08:49 AM

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Indeed, the map making is currently our most time-demanding feature.

Another thing is research, both for database (you can see how that look in Research sub-forum) and for general issues like EW, radars, artillery tactics etc.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/3/2019 5:12:36 PM

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Then I will try the DB thing since I already know a lot of the stuff Im doing, but will look at it to verify it. Sweden

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RE: Question for developers - 12/11/2019 4:13:02 PM

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Map making. That's where we could use helping hands. The process of cleaning up a map is very laborious.

I heard that adjustable transparency option for preview for map-editing mode will be installed in next patch. Is this true? That will be really helpful for map cleaning using AB map-editing mode!! I mean, right now we all have to switch back and forth the preview and game-view inside map-editing mode, but overlapping with transparency will help us to draw map inside AB easier.

Yes, after the LOS tool features have been completed I'll implement the transparent preview map, and then we should have everything ready for the next patch.

Any ETA on the patch? The transparent preview map in the map editor is a must.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/11/2019 6:09:04 PM

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Any ETA on the patch? The transparent preview map in the map editor is a must.

Don't tell anyone, but it should be available in the Steam Open Beta branch now.

Build 1.049

NOTE: Savegames from older builds are not compatible.

[engine] Improve hill shading.
[engine] Implement the 'Rice field' terrain type.
[engine] Reset the unit engagement range settings automatically when under fire.
[engine] Halve the 'rotate' order command delay.
[graphics] Update the winter warehouse pattern.
[ui] Implement the stylized unit icon set option.
[ui] Implement the LOS tool preview and profile features.
[ui] Implement the map editor preview image opacity +/- hotkeys.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/11/2019 7:08:39 PM

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Any ETA on the patch? The transparent preview map in the map editor is a must.

Don't tell anyone, but it should be available in the Steam Open Beta branch now.

Build 1.049

NOTE: Savegames from older builds are not compatible.

[engine] Improve hill shading.
[engine] Implement the 'Rice field' terrain type.
[engine] Reset the unit engagement range settings automatically when under fire.
[engine] Halve the 'rotate' order command delay.
[graphics] Update the winter warehouse pattern.
[ui] Implement the stylized unit icon set option.
[ui] Implement the LOS tool preview and profile features.
[ui] Implement the map editor preview image opacity +/- hotkeys.

Awesome! Your secret is safe....

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RE: Question for developers - 12/11/2019 8:19:57 PM

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Game changed....

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RE: Question for developers - 12/11/2019 8:32:52 PM

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Opacity idea is a good one! I will try today after get back to home!

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RE: Question for developers - 12/14/2019 1:37:44 AM

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Working with a preview map that was exported at 3m per pixel!

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RE: Question for developers - 12/14/2019 2:15:55 AM

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What is your best opacity option 22sec?
I wish if AB introduce 1% opacity variation option, or at least 5%.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/14/2019 5:08:01 AM

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What is your best opacity option 22sec?
I wish if AB introduce 1% opacity variation option, or at least 5%.

I would say 40 or 50. Roads are the most difficult to see, and most of the work envisioned taking advantage of this new feature is going to be primarily roads and buildings. It would be nice if we could find a way to make the game�s actual graphics pop a little more in this mode.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/14/2019 4:21:34 PM

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I would say 40 or 50. Roads are the most difficult to see, and most of the work envisioned taking advantage of this new feature is going to be primarily roads and buildings. It would be nice if we could find a way to make the game�s actual graphics pop a little more in this mode.

I'm mostly working with 60~70% when I work with farms and fields. But I also change opacity to 50% when I work with city.
Good idea about "pop a little more" only for map making mode. But I guess that wouldn't be an easy task... How about making just boundary lines of game map (terrain.bmp) thicker and sharper only for inside map editing mode? This will make map graphic feature better visible from satellite preview overlapped mode.

What I really wish is more high quality preview but as far as I know AB source code cannot read such huge sized image file

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RE: Question for developers - 12/14/2019 5:03:55 PM

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The preview size limit seems to be around 100MB.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/14/2019 9:59:29 PM

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The preview size limit seems to be around 100MB.

I think what the system can load depends on your graphics card capabilities. Texture sizes are rounded up and loaded in the video memory in the powers of two sizes, 1024x1024, 2048x2048, 4096x4096, 8192x8192, etc. The file size or format has nothing to do with this.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/14/2019 10:21:41 PM

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That would explain it. When I tried loading a preview map that was over 10,000x10,000 I got an Out Of Memory Error.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/17/2019 10:58:29 PM

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Any ETA on the patch? The transparent preview map in the map editor is a must.

Don't tell anyone, but it should be available in the Steam Open Beta branch now.

Build 1.049

NOTE: Savegames from older builds are not compatible.

[engine] Improve hill shading.
[engine] Implement the 'Rice field' terrain type.
[engine] Reset the unit engagement range settings automatically when under fire.
[engine] Halve the 'rotate' order command delay.
[graphics] Update the winter warehouse pattern.
[ui] Implement the stylized unit icon set option.
[ui] Implement the LOS tool preview and profile features.
[ui] Implement the map editor preview image opacity +/- hotkeys.

Awesome! Your secret is safe....

�.any update when this build 1.049 will be released?

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RE: Question for developers - 12/17/2019 11:45:28 PM

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Any ETA on the patch? The transparent preview map in the map editor is a must.

Don't tell anyone, but it should be available in the Steam Open Beta branch now.

Build 1.049

NOTE: Savegames from older builds are not compatible.

[engine] Improve hill shading.
[engine] Implement the 'Rice field' terrain type.
[engine] Reset the unit engagement range settings automatically when under fire.
[engine] Halve the 'rotate' order command delay.
[graphics] Update the winter warehouse pattern.
[ui] Implement the stylized unit icon set option.
[ui] Implement the LOS tool preview and profile features.
[ui] Implement the map editor preview image opacity +/- hotkeys.

Awesome! Your secret is safe....

�.any update when this build 1.049 will be released?

The beta build is available on Steam, if you select the game Properties -> Betas -> Select the beta you would like to opt into. No issues with it so far.

Looks like the next official update will come out next year, because the Slitherine team holidays will start soon.

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RE: Question for developers - 12/18/2019 12:28:19 AM

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...do I need a Steam acct and game added to get build?

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RE: Question for developers - 12/18/2019 1:31:18 AM

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...do I need a Steam acct and game added to get build?

Yes, the instructions for redeeming the Steam key are here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1089840/discussions/0/1642039363009015250/

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RE: Question for developers - 12/18/2019 10:05:04 PM

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Thanks, downloading the Steam Beta now :)

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