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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 11:35:55 AM   
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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 2:24:27 PM   
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Shadrach,

Did the .20 install followed by .40 patch today. Scenario manifest appears complete and no 30 minute delay upon first start of the game. I'll actually play the game a bit to see if it is stable, but this installation appears complete.

Thanks and Cheers--

No. You're going to be missing any scenarios added post release of .20. That's not a long list, but you'll still be missing them.

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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 2:25:34 PM   
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Glad this was all properly tested before release.


So, you would have rather waited till March for an update? That wasn't what it sounded like on this board pre-release.

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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 3:20:44 PM   
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No. You're going to be missing any scenarios added post release of .20. That's not a long list, but you'll still be missing them.


That makes no sense at all. How will scenarios be missing if we install .20 and followed by .40? That would be all there is to install.

Maybe the release of the patch wasn't tested well enough, maybe it should've been postponed until over the holidays, I don't know. Maybe the patch was stuck in QA at Matrix and they suddenly decided to release it post-haste, and the developers had nothing to do with it.

All people asked for pre-release was some information, like "is there a patch in the works at all?", "what's the expected ETA?" and "what fixes will it contain?"

For the future I think it's important the testers follow consistent and well-tested guidelines for applying the beta patches. Full uninstall and reinstall with the exact files that will be available to new users, for every patch if necessary. Not some random collection of settings and files someone happened to have lying around for years, and that for some miracle works because the Sounds directory is still there but those who do a clean install will never see this and crash...

Oh, and I'll be happy to volunteer for any hypothetical future patch - if you can stand my constant nagging

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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 4:00:12 PM   
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That makes no sense at all. How will scenarios be missing if we install .20 and followed by .40? That would be all there is to install.


.40, for whatever reason (ask Ralph), only installs the scenario suite if you do the Steam install. And he isn't doing that.

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All people asked for pre-release was some information, like "is there a patch in the works at all?", "what's the expected ETA?" and "what fixes will it contain?"


That's not how I recall it.

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Oh, and I'll be happy to volunteer for any hypothetical future patch - if you can stand my constant nagging


See...oh wait, we don't have a permanent manager yet.

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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 4:23:42 PM   
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.40, for whatever reason (ask Ralph), only installs the scenario suite if you do the Steam install. And he isn't doing that.


OK so to test it I installed TOAW4 from Steam just now. Compared it to today's full Matrix install of .20 followed by .40.
*Exact* same size of the Steam scenarios folder and the one in the regular install: 821 Files, 17 Folders, 333 MB (349 667 876 bytes).

"Chickamauga 1863.sce" is there (368 389 bytes).

Can't compare timestamps because the way Steam installs files it updates the timestamp, while the Matrix installer keeps the original modify date from compile-time.

I guess that's my "problem" - I never accept what someone tells me. I check it myself, not that hard to do


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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 4:33:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Shadrach

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All people asked for pre-release was some information, like "is there a patch in the works at all?", "what's the expected ETA?" and "what fixes will it contain?"


That's not how I recall it.
...


I'm certain someone will find the relevant quote on the thread below of all the people asking for a patch to be released even if it would cause all these issues...

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4717709&mpage=1&key=


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RE: Not Responding - 1/2/2020 5:54:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good Lord how could you not remember all the lamenting about no patch being released. Like jmlima says above, there was lots of moaning.

In fact, some even decided the game was dead and headed off into the wild blue to make their own.

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RE: Not Responding - 11/18/2021 9:56:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bought TOAW IV through Matrix at the time it was released.
Somewhere in mid 2018, I retired from wargaming.
In early 2020, I got a new desktop running WIN 10
Today I installed TOAW IV.

I installed the game and it runs fine.
I installed the latest patch, 4.1.0.40 Game will not run.
I uninstalled the game and re-installed
I installed an older patch 4.1.0.23 Game runs just fine

So there is an issue with patch 4.1.0.40 and WIN 10.

I am not after a solution, this is just to let people know.
















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RE: Not Responding - 11/18/2021 10:13:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fred98

I bought TOAW IV through Matrix at the time it was released.
Somewhere in mid 2018, I retired from wargaming.
In early 2020, I got a new desktop running WIN 10
Today I installed TOAW IV.

I installed the game and it runs fine.
I installed the latest patch, 4.1.0.40 Game will not run.
I uninstalled the game and re-installed
I installed an older patch 4.1.0.23 Game runs just fine

So there is an issue with patch 4.1.0.40 and WIN 10.

I am not after a solution, this is just to let people know.


Try getting a Steam key. It will install and patch for you. Would be a shame to spend the money and then not be able to use the game.


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RE: Not Responding - 11/18/2021 11:24:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did think of that.

And there is a link above. It leads to Slitherine. "You are not authorised to read the forum".

If I approach Slitherine from the outside I can log into Slitherine. So log in is not the problem. Just that specific forum.

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RE: Not Responding - 11/19/2021 1:33:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just got the same thing.

Made a post in General Forum to try and find out why.

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RE: Not Responding - 11/19/2021 11:54:35 AM   
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I did think of that.

And there is a link above. It leads to Slitherine. "You are not authorised to read the forum".

If I approach Slitherine from the outside I can log into Slitherine. So log in is not the problem. Just that specific forum.


I've replaced the link with a new one.
https://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=93585

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