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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/28/2020 9:46:59 AM   
Mayhemizer_slith


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Status: offline 		In PBEM games we have found that good instructions make turn end easy (or as easy as possible). You can check how we give instructions for example here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4755468

And try to avoid saving and reloading, specially during production phase.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/28/2020 2:46:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think one person doing the thing with orders like the ones sent by Warspite is the way to go. As it is now it is very slow.
As the CW player I do not mind doing the actions for everyone. I have now sent the file to Wilhelm to reorganize using oil for Japan.


On another note I am going away from early tomorrow morning for about a week. I am going with 24 students to Warsaw, Lublin and Lodz to visit holocaust sites as part of a one-year program where we work with human rights, tolerance and de-polarization.
We are going to follow the paths of Janusz Korcak, Marek Edelman and others at sites like Treblinka and Majdanek.
This will be my third year working with this program and it strikes me at times that we are playing WW2-games representing the places and people where these atrocities took place.
Anyway, I discussed with Ronnie wether or not he would take charge of the Western Allies and we concluded that it is better to wait for a few days til I am back.
I have a few hours this evening to finalize the end of the turn but after that we need to take a break.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/28/2020 3:15:47 PM   
Mayhemizer_slith


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Status: offline 		My intention was not to tell how do it. Just warning that saving and loading during turn end may cause problems.

We had a bug because I did some builds and reloaded and did them again. During that turn CW build 4 CPs and reload caused CW getting 2x 4 CPs.

CW has lots of ships. If stay at sea and return to base are done then anyone can do the rest.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/28/2020 7:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Notes from end of turn in addition to what the Axis has done. I aim to make a better structure for end of turn if we settle on using written orders.

Return to base:
CW returns some of their fleet to protect their convoys and they keep their naval presence in the East Med. The rest of the fleet returns home.

France returns their fleet to Marseille to resupply.

One US tranport returns to Honolulu to resupply. One returns to the westcoast.

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Oil reorg:
CW uses 3 oil to reorganize all their naval units.
France and the US uses less than 0.5 oil to reorganize. I realize the mistake I did by rebasing the fleet to Marseille without even thinking about it, I cannot refuel the fleet because of the Italian MTN.



Production:
NOTE:
Italian FTRs not scrappable yet.
German LNDs were not scrappable.

Germany
Scrap the three LND (1 x Hs123, 1 x Do-17E, 1 x He-111B)
3 x PIL
1 x LND (2)
1 x NAV (3)
1 x FTR (3)
1 x SUB Construction

Italy
Scrap the two 3-quality fighters
1 x PIL

China builds 2 MIL and a Cav Div

CW builds builds 3 PIL, 2 Convoy, repair CA Suffolk and CA London

France builds a PIL, 1 MIL and a GARR. Save 1 bp.

US builds a PIL, a FTR, build the Langley, an INF DIV and a MECH DIV

USSR build a MTN, a MTN Div and a Ski Div

Conquest:
Denmark was conquered by Germany.
Poland was conquered by Germany.
French Somaliland was conquered by Italy.
Iceland becomes an neutral minor country. Convoys forced to rebase to Plymouth.
Faroes becomes an neutral minor country.
Greenland becomes an neutral minor country.

Sending the turn to Germany as I do not find the HE-111 they want to deploy.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/28/2020 9:07:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Robert can you do Axis reinforcements pls.
Japan puts the 2-3 territorial in Tsitsihar. The other in Mukden.
The 3 CV navals in Yokohama to the air reserve pool pls. Thats it.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/28/2020 10:42:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

Production:
NOTE:
1. Italian FTRs not scrappable yet.
German LNDs were not scrappable.

2. Sending the turn to Germany as I do not find the HE-111 they want to deploy.

warspite1

1. Not so - the program allowed me to scrap both - I think you were looking at the scrapped destroyed screen. I have added an explanation to assist in my end of turn comments.

2. I wrote: Aachen: 6-3 INF, He-112 I haven't asked for an He-111 to be deployed. However I will also make clearer my aircraft choices in ALL my end of turn orders going forward (see end of turn comments).

I will have a look at the various posts and the game tomorrow morning.


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/29/2020 6:35:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay I have the file back at placing German air reserves so I can fix b but not a.

I would let it go but I think this needs fixing as these are some pretty rubbish aircraft I need scrapping!!

My suggestion is that we all provide detailed orders at the end of the turn and the Commonwealth player executes all the orders. This is a pain for the CW but probably less than having to write out detailed orders for so many ships!

My vote is that we hold the game while Jp is away, all orders are provided in the meantime and we ask him to do the end of turn in entirety.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/29/2020 9:19:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay I have the file back at placing German air reserves so I can fix b but not a.

I would let it go but I think this needs fixing as these are some pretty rubbish aircraft I need scrapping!!

My suggestion is that we all provide detailed orders at the end of the turn and the Commonwealth player executes all the orders. This is a pain for the CW but probably less than having to write out detailed orders for so many ships!

My vote is that we hold the game while Jp is away, all orders are provided in the meantime and we ask him to do the end of turn in entirety.


As a neutral observer I can verify that these units should be scappable.

Dated 1936 they would not be able to be scrapped during set up, as all powers are neutral, (4 years).

BUT, once active that reduces to 3 years, hence 1939. SO as long as they are in the force pool and not already built (production spiral or reserve pool) they can be scrapped. The HS123 with the Naval Air point I do find useful though. Especially with an A2A factor of 3, which is better than most Euro Axis NAV.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/29/2020 9:23:13 AM   
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Impulse: End of Turn Malarchy - EuroAxis

Neutrality Pact:
2 x Defensive Chits please.

Production Planning:

Germany

Oil Situation:

2 x Oil from Romania (both saved in Berlin)
2 x Oil from USSR (both to production)
1 x Oil from Austria (saved in Berlin)
1 x Oil from Germany (saved in Berlin)

3 Oil last turn so should be 7 (less what is used to reorganise)
15 Build Points (incl. 0 saved)

Italy

Oil Situation:

1 x Oil from Romania (saved in Milan)
2 Build Points (incl. 0 saved)

1 Oil last turn so should be 2 (less what is used to reorganise)


Stay At Sea:

Italy

Convoys only

Germany

Convoys only

Return to Base:

N/a

Oil Reorganisation (Please see post 176):

Germany

Reorganise all for 2.0 Oil (2 Oil expended) - Use the German and Austrian resource for this.

Italy

Tick include oil from other cooperating major powers

Reorganise all (except 0.45 worth) for 1.0 Oil (1 Oil expended) - Use Milan Oil. Then use a German oil from Berlin for 0.45 and don't expend it.

Breakdown:

Germany

The MOT in southern Poland is broken down


Production (Please see Fig.A and follow same for Italy):
Germany

Scrap the three LND (1 x Hs123, 1 x Do-17E, 1 x He-111B)

3 x PIL
1 x LND (2)
1 x NAV (3)
1 x FTR (3)
1 x SUB Construction

Italy

Scrap the two 3-quality fighters

1 x PIL

Reinforcement (Please see Fig.B):
Germany

Aachen: 6-3 INF, He-112
Dusseldorf: 2-6 ARM DIV
Essen: 3-3 ART




Italy

Turin: Macchi Saetta, 4-5 MOT

Trade Agreement:

Germany

2 Build Points and 1 oil to Italy


No Re-Roll even if I have one
If I get the chance to move first I will.



MEMO ITEM:

Germany
Oil (5 x Berlin) = 5
0 x Build Points (0)

Italy
Oil (1 x Milan) = 1
0 x Build Point (0)

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/29/2020 9:32:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ssiviour


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay I have the file back at placing German air reserves so I can fix b but not a.

I would let it go but I think this needs fixing as these are some pretty rubbish aircraft I need scrapping!!

My suggestion is that we all provide detailed orders at the end of the turn and the Commonwealth player executes all the orders. This is a pain for the CW but probably less than having to write out detailed orders for so many ships!

My vote is that we hold the game while Jp is away, all orders are provided in the meantime and we ask him to do the end of turn in entirety.


As a neutral observer I can verify that these units should be scappable.

Dated 1936 they would not be able to be scrapped during set up, as all powers are neutral, (4 years).

BUT, once active that reduces to 3 years, hence 1939. SO as long as they are in the force pool and not already built (production spiral or reserve pool) they can be scrapped. The HS123 with the Naval Air point I do find useful though. Especially with an A2A factor of 3, which is better than most Euro Axis NAV.
warspite1

Indeed. I have that one in the Reserve Pool. The unit being scrapped is without a naval air rating.


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 4:27:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back from my trip I will try and get back into the game. It seems like Wilhelm redid the end of the turn to reflect the orders better. Good.

Reinforcements for the Allies:
China gets a MIL in Kunming.

CW assigns pilots to a LND Hampden, a NAV Vildebeest and a FTR Hurricane
CW deploys BB Valiant in Plymoth, a NAV Vildebeest in Bristol and a FTR and a LND in SE of England.
A CW convoy is deployed in Egypt.

France deploys a MIL in Dakar.

The US deploys CA Houston and a transport on the westcoast.

Communist China deploys a MIL in Si-An.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 4:28:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Next up is resourcelending. What are your orders gentlemen?

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 5:29:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Welcome back - hopefully you'll have some feedback on the trip in due course?

See post 189. I haven't got the game to hand at the moment but I believe you have to say 1 resource and 1 oil iirc.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 6:31:43 PM   
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Initiative rolled
Axis 3
Allies 7

Axis choses not reroll and the Allies gets the initiative.
The allies choses to move first.

Weather roll is a 5 which means storm in the Arctic, rain in the North Temperate and fine everywhere else.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 6:35:16 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 6:54:36 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 7:21:25 PM   
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No DOW

China: Land
USSR: Combined
CW: Naval
France: Land
US: Combined

No portattacks.

Naval air:
CW flies a bomber (Hampden) to the 4box of the Western Med and a bomber (Harrow) to the Bay of Biscay.

Naval moves:
The CW organizes its convoy defense.
An MOT is sent to Gibraltar and an INF is sent to Malta while the Queens are returning to Plymouth.
The lone CV in India (I have no idea why it was set up there, without a plane...duh…) goes to Suez.
The CW is having a large presence in the eastern med, while the fleet in Gibraltar is waiting for Italy to make their move.
Some subs move south towards the Mediterranean.


The US sends a transport to pick up MacArthur from the Phillipines.
The sends some P-35s to and towards Hawaii and Midway.

No strategic bombardment.

No groundstrikes.

Railmoves:
France rails Bilotte and the Paris MIL to the south of France to hinder the Italian advance.

USSR rail Timoshenko to Russian Karelia.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 7:38:36 PM   
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Mongolian cavalry corps moves to the border with Manchuria.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 7:39:00 PM   
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Chinese recapture Nanning and move to harass Japanese supply lines.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 7:39:30 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 8:04:46 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 8:20:56 PM   
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Airbase:
CW moves the Vildebeest to Plymouth.
France moves their airforce to the south of France.

No reorg.

Sending the turn to the Axis.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/9/2020 9:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan chooses a land move.
No action at all until the movement phase.
Try to get the supply back on track and do some damage to the pyjama's.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/10/2020 4:15:50 AM   
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Declarations of War and Alignments:
Germany

The Germans declare war on the Netherlands. To say Congress was disinterested is something of an understatement (a 10 was thrown)

I assume the Netherlands Align with the CW? Where does the CW want to place the Dutch units?

1 x INF
1 x TERR
10 x CP
3 x SCS: De Ruyter, Java, Sumatra
1 x SUB

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/10/2020 9:02:36 AM   
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Dutch Setup.
(1) Rotterdam. I Inf XXX, CA Sumatra, CA Java, CA De Ruyter, sub, 1 CP.
(2) Parmaribo, Duth Guyana. 6 CP's, 1 TRS.
(3) NEI 122, 133 (SW of Palembang). NEI Terr
(4) Batavia, NEI. 3 CP's

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/10/2020 2:27:41 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/10/2020 5:11:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

Align with the CW.

Dutch Setup.
(1) Rotterdam. I Inf XXX, CA Sumatra, CA Java, CA De Ruyter, sub, 1 CP.
(2) Parmaribo, Duth Guyana. 6 CP's, 1 TRS.
(3) NEI 122, 133 (SW of Palembang). NEI Terr
(4) Batavia, NEI. 3 CP's
warspite1

Ignore me, I'm talking sloblocks for a change


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/10/2020 6:05:00 PM   
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Impulse: 2 (Axis)

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement:
Germany

Infantry Corps head to Turin, Frankfurt and an INF DIV to Saarbrucken

Land Movement:
Italy

Khartoum and Berbera are taken in East Africa
Italian forces move along the coast road to Nice, while to the north, more MOT pour over the border.

Germany

Germany troops stream west from Poland, and Holland is invaded.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/10/2020 11:40:58 PM   
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No USentry chit. Uncle Sam is far away.
We are happy to see snow in the North.
Over to the Allies.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/11/2020 6:24:37 AM   
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