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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/16/2020 11:11:49 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/16/2020 11:17:56 PM   
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I wonder if you could get "dates' on Tinder with a positive COVID serology test?




I imagine that, like all things Tinder, a certain amount of embellishment is assumed. Besides, if that worked, don't you think Faucci would have been all over that?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/16/2020 11:20:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is big and welcome news:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/16/2020 11:29:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		"That being said, about 25% of patients receiving it have severe side effects, including multiple-organ dysfunction syndrome, septic shock, acute kidney injury and low blood pressure. Another 23% demonstrated evidence of liver damage on lab tests."

"Meanwhile, more than 1,800 patients have been treated using the drug on an individual compassionate use basis so far. And they published data in the New England Journal of Medicine on 53 of those patients suggesting promising results."

Early Data from Gilead’s Compassionate Use of Remdesivir for COVID-19 Looks Promising
Apr 13, 2020
https://www.biospace.com/article/data-from-gilead-s-compassionate-use-of-remdesivir-for-covid-19-looks-promising/

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/16/2020 11:49:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a chickadee, not a titmouse, you nuthatch.


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Can I say tit?






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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/16/2020 11:50:12 PM   
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If I can read the NYT, you can read National Review once in a while.



lol - nuthing wrong from listening to both sides of stories. The challenge is in identifying fact from fiction. :-)

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/16/2020 11:57:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for this post. It made interesting reading. It's a help when somebody in the field or a related one passes along a paper, so that we have a measure of its credibility from the outset.



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This is big and welcome news:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 12:29:05 AM   
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This is a chickadee, not a titmouse, you nuthatch.


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Can I say tit?








I guess someone still has THE book checked out from THE Georgia Library.


TITS

Order Passeriformes Family Paridae

The tits are a widespread family of birds, occurring over most of Europe, Asia, North America and Africa. They are active, noisy and social birds. The tits make a variety of calls and songs. Quiet calls are made while feeding to facilitate cohesion with others in their social group. Other calls are used for signalling alarm—the most famous of which is the "Chic-a-dee-dee" of North American. The number of "dee" syllables at the end of the call increases with the level of danger the predator poses.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 12:36:44 AM   
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Tit Family

The tit family, Paridae, consists of 46 species of small birds, variously known as tits, titmice, and chickadees. These are all song birds, in the order Passeriformes. All are rather small birds, ranging in body length from about 4–8 in (11–20 cm), and mostly occurring in forests, shrubby woodlands, and in urban and suburban habitats. This family of birds is widespread, and its representatives are found in North America, Africa, and Eurasia.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:00:16 AM   
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Hybridization between members of different parid genera appears to be rarer still, especially given that hybrid offspring would tend to be more easily detected than those of congeneric species. Reported cases include Black-capped Chickadee × Tufted Titmouse (B. bicolor) hybrids (reviewed by Cockrum 1952);



"Cockrum"... Believe me I'am not making this stuff up.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:22:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		An article with an interesting conclusion. https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:23:36 AM   
Canoerebel


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:26:45 AM   
Canoerebel


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:31:24 AM   
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An article with an interesting conclusion. https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915





Good stuff. What is going on is nothing new to me. I hate to think what Iam thinking, but it looks like it's following a outline that Ive talked about for 20 years.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:38:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

P.S. I wasn't aware that the tit family included chickadees. You got me. I know bird genus and species classifications but basically nothing about the families. Chickadees are so much smaller than titmice, different in so many ways, that I'd never have guessed it.



Glad you see the light. Some claim it was Ralph Waldo Emerson who made "Chickadee" a common name in America.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:46:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons)

November 01, 2019


https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(19)30328-5/fulltext


"Objectives

In recent years, Italy has been registering peaks in death rates, particularly among the elderly during the winter season. Influenza epidemics have been indicated as one of the potential determinants of such an excess.

The objective of our study was to estimate the influenza-attributable contribution to excess mortality during the influenza seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17 in Italy."


"Conclusions

Over 68,000 deaths were attributable to influenza epidemics in the study period. The observed excess of deaths is not completely unexpected, given the high number of fragile very old subjects living in Italy.
In conclusion, the unpredictability of the influenza virus continues to present a major challenge to health professionals and policy makers. "

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A nice little read

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:47:44 AM   
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If I can read the NYT, you can read National Review once in a while.


Was ruminating on how to clarify my point - National Review sets off my "no hackery" alarm the same as Occupy Democrats or Daily Kos on the other side.

The NYT isn't full of hacks and is very centrist (even center-right, depending on how you define it based on economic vs. social). For that matter, so is the Wall Street Journal. Talking about the news sections for both, not the op-ed sections. And for THAT matter, the actual news sections of Fox News print aren't that much different from the NYT or WSJ - slightly more conservative, but not really full of hacks.

It's when you get into the opinion sections that it gets rough, and when you have opinion masquerading as news.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:50:35 AM   
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P.S. I wasn't aware that the tit family included chickadees. You got me. I know bird genus and species classifications but basically nothing about the families. Chickadees are so much smaller than titmice, different in so many ways, that I'd never have guessed it.


I learned a couple of years ago that the "great tit" is the chickadee name in Britain.

I think.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 1:57:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Respiratory infections in elderly people: Viral role in a resident population of elderly care centers in Lisbon, winter 2013–2014
February 04, 2018

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(18)30013-4/fulltext


"Methods
Nasopharyngeal swabs were collected whenever an elderly had symptoms of acute respiratory infections (ARI). PCR and RT-PCR were performed for influenza A/B, human parainfluenza virus 1–4, adenovirus, human metapneumovirus (HMPV), respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), rhinovirus, enterovirus, human coronavirus and human Bocavirus (HBoV). Array cards for atypical bacteria were also used in severe cases."


"The list of viruses responsible for ARI in elderly people includes influenza A and B virus, adenovirus, RSV, rhinovirus, enterovirus, human coronavirus (HCoVs), HMPV, human parainfluenza virus (HPIVs), HBoV and varicella, among other less common viruses (Ruuskanen et al., 2011
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coronavirus here is ?? Common Cold ?? flu like symptoms but not the flu?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:00:44 AM   
Lokasenna


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Status: offline 		Alright, so I did some Excel-ing tonight. Specifically, I was curious per the discussion we've been having back and forth about states with lockdown orders and their efficacy, vs. states that don't.

So I decided to do some scatter plotting, and lines of best fit. I found 1 thing I did not expect, and 1 thing that I did expect. Here's what I expected:

1) There would be a weak correlation between number of cases per million (as measured on the 30th day after passing 1 case per million population) and number of days elapsed since the number of cases in that state surpassed 100.

2) There would be a correlation between number of cases per million and population density.

For #1, I did not even find a weak correlation. The line of best fit was essentially horizontal, meaning the r-value for correlation was essentially zero. Alright then, that was unexpected.

Here's the scatterplot with line of best fit for the second one. I had to remove DC because its population density of 11011 per square mile made the chart impossible to read for the rest.

Y-axis is population density per square mile. X-axis is number of cases per million population on the 30th day since 1 case per million population was reached (some states are now in the 40-some days since this occurred, so this is not a current picture).

Data sources were Wikipedia state population densities and this page for number of cases on 30th day (https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/). A couple of states hadn't reached the 30th day yet, but only 2 (Missouri is on Day 29; West Virginia is on Day 26).

It's not quite the strength of correlation that I would have expected, but there is something there. Also, a few notes: the large metro areas should probably be broken apart here and counted separately (NYC for example is pulling the NY state dot both up and to the right, and the same effect is happening to the NJ dot but to a larger extent).




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:01:18 AM   
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P.S. I wasn't aware that the tit family included chickadees. You got me. I know bird genus and species classifications but basically nothing about the families. Chickadees are so much smaller than titmice, different in so many ways, that I'd never have guessed it.


I learned a couple of years ago that the "great tit" is the chickadee name in Britain.

I think.



Yes, Chickadee is a "America only" term.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:04:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Protests are popping up across the US over stay-at-home restrictions
Apr 16, 2020

https://wreg.com/news/coronavirus/protests-are-popping-up-across-the-us-over-stay-at-home-restrictions/


"(CNN) — Protesters gathered in several state capitals this week to voice their opposition to stay-at-home orders issued to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus.

Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Minnesota, North Carolina and Utah — states led by both Republican and Democratic governors — have all seen protests in recent days as people grow more concerned about the economic fallout of the coronavirus pandemic.

“A small segment of the state is protesting and that’s their right,” Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a Democrat, told CNN. People are getting “stir crazy” at home, she said, and they’re worried about paying the bills."


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:09:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

P.S. I wasn't aware that the tit family included chickadees. You got me. I know bird genus and species classifications but basically nothing about the families. Chickadees are so much smaller than titmice, different in so many ways, that I'd never have guessed it.


I learned a couple of years ago that the "great tit" is the chickadee name in Britain.

I think.


Yes, Chickadee is a "America only" term.


I had a chickadee sorting through sunflower seeds on the outside window ledge, chirping away while 6 inches away a 15 pound cat was glaring at the bird. Somehow that bird brain knew that the cat could not go through the window. The bird did that frequently.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:16:20 AM   
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An article with an interesting conclusion. https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2020/04/15/israeli-professor-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915




"“Is the coronavirus expansion exponential? The answer by the numbers is simple: no. Expansion begins exponentially but fades quickly after about eight weeks,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel concluded. The reason why coronavirus follows a fixed pattern is yet unknown. "I have no explanation,” he told Mako, “There are is kinds of speculation: maybe it's climate-related, maybe the virus has its own life cycle.” "

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Is that the way it's looking everywhere.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:23:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

P.S. I wasn't aware that the tit family included chickadees. You got me. I know bird genus and species classifications but basically nothing about the families. Chickadees are so much smaller than titmice, different in so many ways, that I'd never have guessed it.


I learned a couple of years ago that the "great tit" is the chickadee name in Britain.

I think.


Yes, Chickadee is a "America only" term.


I had a chickadee sorting through sunflower seeds on the outside window ledge, chirping away while 6 inches away a 15 pound cat was glaring at the bird. Somehow that bird brain knew that the cat could not go through the window. The bird did that frequently.



Chickadees are very tamable. I had one that one that would find me in the yard and let me know that the birdfeeder was empty.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:41:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cap Mandrake: My condolences regarding your uncle. Dying alone without family is not good.

As I mentioned a while ago here, based on what I've seen in Korea people are going to break the lockdowns or social distancing guidelines (or laws) sooner or later, and the powers that be should be prepared for that and either accept it or build a Stasi-like organization and encourage kids to narc on their parents. They should make commonsense recommendations and avoid things like busting solo windboarders (California) or people camping in the middle of nowhere (Tasmania--and they were found by helicopter, for chrissakes). Roping off "non-essential" sections of Wal-Mart? How is that going to stop the spread of this virus? Closing liquor stores in Pennsylvania? How counterproductive is that? I'm seeing some crazy stuff happening over in the U.S. Our founding fathers would not be proud.

We had 22 new cases in Korea on Thursday, and 14 of those came in through the airport. The fact they mentioned no nationalities in the press release tells me they were all returning Koreans. The long-broadcast worries about a second wave have not been borne out. And yet, not word on when public schools will reopen. I did hear universities will be back in action in early May, though.

On the contact tracing, to Cap's point, it's unfortunate the abuse of the FISA system by the FBI (among other abuses) has caused a broad swathe of the public to not trust the U.S. government with their personal data. I asked the missus about the use of contact tracing data in Korea and even though the party she doesn't like is in power (and gained more seats in the election two days ago), she fully believes the Korean government will not abuse that data, that they'll bin it when this is over. I'm not so sure, but Koreans are, and that's what matters, and that's why contact tracing has been so successful here in keeping this virus down.

Anyway, good luck out there, and may your lockdowns end sooner rather than later.

Cheers,
CB

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 4:09:40 AM   
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This apparently allows for more of those who died outside hospital and due to delayed reports.

Right, yeah, sure.......




This is now reflected on Worldometers website.




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 5:19:48 AM   
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Can I say tit?





Yes but not Pu$$ywillow!

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 5:35:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

P.S. I wasn't aware that the tit family included chickadees. You got me. I know bird genus and species classifications but basically nothing about the families. Chickadees are so much smaller than titmice, different in so many ways, that I'd never have guessed it.



Glad you see the light. Some claim it was Ralph Waldo Emerson who made "Chickadee" a common name in America.

I always though it was W.C. Fields that made it popular, "My little chickadee".

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 5:36:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

P.S. I wasn't aware that the tit family included chickadees. You got me. I know bird genus and species classifications but basically nothing about the families. Chickadees are so much smaller than titmice, different in so many ways, that I'd never have guessed it.


I learned a couple of years ago that the "great tit" is the chickadee name in Britain.

I think.


Yes, Chickadee is a "America only" term.


I had a chickadee sorting through sunflower seeds on the outside window ledge, chirping away while 6 inches away a 15 pound cat was glaring at the bird. Somehow that bird brain knew that the cat could not go through the window. The bird did that frequently.







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