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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 7:20:38 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 7:37:34 PM   
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ETA: I'm totally stealing that.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 7:41:55 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 7:47:28 PM   
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BTW, the guns are already out. What they hope to do against the National Guard, if it comes to that, is anyone guess. I fear that the victims will be, as usual, innocent civilians.


It's difficult for most Europeans to understand American 'gun culture' accurately. I sincerely doubt that these people, openly bearing arms, are going to do anything further than brandish them. If they had a more ominous revolutionary mindset, they wouldn't be congregating openly.

As a side note, I've never met a more polite group of people than at shooting ranges. Respectful, patient, polite, matter of fact and non-confrontational. I wonder why?

Gun ranges have ironclad safety rules that only mature, sensible people will gladly submit to. It's the good ol' boys (who get half-pissed and go out in the field and try to shoot up anything that moves or looks like a target - like road signs) that make me cringe. When I was about 12 I had the experience of being shot at by American hunters near my home. After the bullets cracked over our heads we yelled and they came to look. When we asked what the f**k? they said they were just taking "sound shots" - shooting at any sound they heard. Is it any wonder "American gun culture" gives me the creeps most of the time?

If the protesters in that picture were not intending to use those guns, what exactly was their purpose in bringing them? Implied threat that anyone who opposed them could be shot? I don't buy the "displaying my rights" argument - the right to bear arms was not infringed by the stay at home orders.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 8:08:34 PM   
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If the protesters in that picture were not intending to use those guns, what exactly was their purpose in bringing them? Implied threat that anyone who opposed them could be shot? I don't buy the "displaying my rights" argument - the right to bear arms was not infringed by the stay at home orders.


As I understand it, their purpose for bringing their guns and displaying them in that fashion was to call attention to how universal 'one size fits all' stay at home orders applied nationally infringed upon constitutional Bill of Rights inalienable rights for all. That is related to the hot topic du jour about how to reopen the American economy by county/state/region-by-region and the need to take into account the impact on Constitutional rights and things we hold very importantly. I've heard related complaints about the use of mandated cell phone geotagging to notify contacts of positive cases. Reopening the economy must be a balanced decision that maintains the fight against COVID-19 without crushing individual choice or Rights. These guys were reminding us about something pretty important in our First Amendment and Second Amendment rights.

As for other 'single issue voters', I've heard squeals of protest from abortion rights activists about how abortion clinics should still be allowed to be open while most hospitals nationally are still closed for 'elective' surgeries and starving for PPE.

Sorry you got shot at by a bunch of idiots though BTW.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 8:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
If the protesters in that picture were not intending to use those guns, what exactly was their purpose in bringing them? Implied threat that anyone who opposed them could be shot? I don't buy the "displaying my rights" argument - the right to bear arms was not infringed by the stay at home orders.


As I understand it, their purpose for bringing their guns and displaying them in that fashion was to call attention to how universal 'one size fits all' stay at home orders applied nationally infringed upon constitutional Bill of Rights inalienable rights for all. That is related to the hot topic du jour about how to reopen the American economy by county/state/region-by-region and the need to take into account the impact on Constitutional rights and things we hold very importantly. I've heard related complaints about the use of mandated cell phone geotagging to notify contacts of positive cases. Reopening the economy must be a balanced decision that maintains the fight against COVID-19 without crushing individual choice or Rights. These guys were reminding us about something pretty important in our First Amendment and Second Amendment rights.

As for other 'single issue voters', I've heard squeals of protest from abortion rights activists about how abortion clinics should still be allowed to be open while most hospitals nationally are still closed for 'elective' surgeries and starving for PPE.

Sorry you got shot at by a bunch of idiots though BTW.


Next time, shoot back!

Chai Vang Killed 6 Hunters in Wisconsin Hunting Incident
Hunter Kills Six, Injures Two After a Dispute Over a Deer Stand

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A Minneapolis hunter, Chai Soua Vang, was asked to leave a deer stand located on private property in Wisconsin. The situation escalated, and Vang opened fire on the property owner and his hunting guests, killing six and wounding two others.

It was November 21, 2004, just one day after deer season opened in rural Sawyer County, where deer hunting is a way of life for hundreds of local sportsmen.

Vang, a resident of St. Paul, Minnesota, is a Hmong American from Laos. He became lost while hunting in the area and asked two hunters for directions. He ended up on 400 acres of private property and climbed up on a deer stand he found there.

According to investigators, Terry Willers, co-owner of the land, rode by the site and saw someone in the deer stand. He radioed back to the hunting cabin where he and 14 others were staying, asking who was in the stand and was told that no one was supposed to be in it.

Willers said he would ask the hunter to leave the stand. Others from the private party drove their ATVs to the scene.

When told to leave the deer stand, Vang complied and began to walk away from the scene. As he walked away, five members of the hunting party, including Bob Crotteau, who co-owned the property with Willers, confronted Vang. Someone in the private party wrote down Vang's out-of-state hunting license number—correctly posted on Vang's back—in the dust on his ATV.

According to survivors of the incident, Vang walked about 40 yards away from the party, took the scope off his Chinese style SKS semi-automatic rifle, turned and began to fire at the private party. Three of the hunters were shot in the initial burst of fire including Willers who was the only other man in the group who was carrying a gun.
Rescuers Shot At

Someone in the hunting party radioed back to the cabin and said they were under fire. According to Sawyer County Sheriff Jim Meier, as others from the cabin arrived at the scene, unarmed, to try to rescue the wounded hunters, they too were shot. Some of the victims had multiple gunshot wounds.

Vang fled the scene and became lost again. Two hunters, who were unaware of the shooting incident, walked him out of the woods. As they left the woods, five hours after the shooting, a Department of Natural Resources officer recognized the hunting license number on Vang's back and took him into custody. Vang was held in the Sawyer County Jail. His bail was set at $2.5 million.

Killed in the incident were Robert Crotteau, 42; his son Joey, 20; Al Laski, 43; Mark Roidt, 28; and Jessica Willers, 27, the daughter of Terry Willers. Dennis Drew died of his wounds the following night. Terry Willers and Lauren Hesebeck survived their gunshot wounds.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:06:44 PM   
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I just had a really great idea whilst taking a leak! Suppose we hire out EVERY hotel in Cancun, hire a bunch of charter jets and fly everyone between 18 and 30 down there for 14 nights all inclusive...6 to a room..let them fornicate and drink tainted alcohol to their hearts content. Everyone would get COVID! Now, on the flight back, everyone get Rocephin and Zithromax to treat the GC and Chlamydia. A few thousand cases of Moctezuma's revenge but you could hand out WHO rehydration bottles on the plane.


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Now, on the flight back, everyone get Rocephin and Zithromax to treat the GC and Chlamydia.

Google was no help - what is the "C" in "GC"? (Assuming the "G" is gonorrhea.)



you had it.."gonococcus"

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:08:37 PM   
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I just had a really great idea whilst taking a leak! Suppose we hire out EVERY hotel in Cancun, hire a bunch of charter jets and fly everyone between 18 and 30 down there for 14 nights all inclusive...6 to a room..let them fornicate and drink tainted alcohol to their hearts content. Everyone would get COVID! Now, on the flight back, everyone get Rocephin and Zithromax to treat the GC and Chlamydia. A few thousand cases of Moctezuma's revenge but you could hand out WHO rehydration bottles on the plane.


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Now, on the flight back, everyone get Rocephin and Zithromax to treat the GC and Chlamydia.

Google was no help - what is the "C" in "GC"? (Assuming the "G" is gonorrhea.)



you had it.."gonococcus"


...coccus...[fnar fnar]

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:16:50 PM   
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Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:18:08 PM   
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And you probably should have omitted Trump's 'told you so' prospective commentary if you didn't want this to devolve into a political name game.
warspite1

My goodness....

To be crystal clear, I mentioned Trump NOT because of any US blaming and shaming, not because of any inherent anti-Trump feeling, not because of any political point scoring and certainly not because of any anti-US feeling (and I think and hope my record on that speaks for itself).

NO, I simply mentioned Trump because the picture posted was from an incident in Ohio (USA) - to which you yourself commented was full of 'dumbasses' and because their position was seemingly being backed by recent announcements and writings by Donald Trump. That's all. It was a comment about what was specifically raised.

But YES I should have realised from a lot of the crap mentioned in the preceding weeks on this thread, that apparently any comment that attacks the US - real or IMAGINED - seems to provoke rage and hysteria.

So apologies to all for daring to comment on an incident, posted by an American, that happens to be set in the USA, where a section of the society (that happened to be American because it was in Ohio) want lockdown to end - and for that policy seemingly being promoted by Donald Trump (who happens to be President of the USA), and for the fact I suggested a politician (who in this case happens to be Donald Trump) would be quick to say 'I told you so' to anyone that will listen if his/her decision proved to be the correct one (especially when set against the advice of others). Like that is an unusual position for a politician to make.....



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:20:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh


Encircled, I'm interested in reading the linked article, but it seems to be behind a paywall. Do you have a synopsis or alternative source?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:20:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh
warspite1

The more one hears, the more one realises that Boris Johnson and the Conservative Government are not going to come out of this well......

Skipping COBRA meetings? Isn't the whole point of COBRA to discuss things of vital importance?.....


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:22:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh


Encircled, I'm interested in reading the linked article, but it seems to be behind a paywall. Do you have a synopsis or alternative source?


Sorry CB, best I can do is a twitter link to the important bits

https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1251613687330353152

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:32:54 PM   
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But YES I should have realised from a lot of the crap mentioned in the preceding weeks on this thread, that apparently any comment that attacks the US - real or IMAGINED - seems to provoke rage and hysteria.

So apologies to all for daring to comment on an incident, posted by an American, that happens to be set in the USA, where a section of the society (that happened to be American because it was in Ohio) want lockdown to end - and for that policy seemingly being promoted by Donald Trump (who happens to be President of the USA), and for the fact I suggested a politician (who in this case happens to be Donald Trump) would be quick to say 'I told you so' to anyone that will listen if his/her decision proved to be the correct one (especially when set against the advice of others). Like that is an unusual position for a politician to make.....




I certainly hope my point wasn't interpreted as one borne of rage or hysteria. My goodness indeed. It was intended to be a gentle reminder to sidestep political name calling and finger wagging in general. Your six-degrees-removed-from-what-I-meant-to-say clarification above was not present in your previous post. Absent this context, your comment could have been interpreted by a reasonable reader as a slight or a smear.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:35:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh
warspite1

The more one hears, the more one realises that Boris Johnson and the Conservative Government are not going to come out of this well......

Skipping COBRA meetings? Isn't the whole point of COBRA to discuss things of vital importance?.....



What is COBRA for you lot? Here it's an acronym for continuation of health insurance beyond one's previous employer. When one leaves a company they can elect to continue the company-sponsored health insurance by paying for it out of pocket.

ETA: I also note that you dropped BJs name in there and the Conservative Government of the UK. Other than acknowledging the presence of this namedrop, I won't comment further.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:37:00 PM   
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This works for me ChickenBoy

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:42:24 PM   
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This works for me ChickenBoy

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh


Not for me again. Thanks anyways.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:44:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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But YES I should have realised from a lot of the crap mentioned in the preceding weeks on this thread, that apparently any comment that attacks the US - real or IMAGINED - seems to provoke rage and hysteria.

So apologies to all for daring to comment on an incident, posted by an American, that happens to be set in the USA, where a section of the society (that happened to be American because it was in Ohio) want lockdown to end - and for that policy seemingly being promoted by Donald Trump (who happens to be President of the USA), and for the fact I suggested a politician (who in this case happens to be Donald Trump) would be quick to say 'I told you so' to anyone that will listen if his/her decision proved to be the correct one (especially when set against the advice of others). Like that is an unusual position for a politician to make.....


I certainly hope my point wasn't interpreted as one borne of rage or hysteria. My goodness indeed. It was intended to be a gentle reminder to sidestep political name calling and finger wagging in general. Your six-degrees-removed-from-what-I-meant-to-say clarification above was not present in your previous post. Absent this context, your comment could have been interpreted by a reasonable reader as a slight or a smear.


I took no offense about that comment. In one way, it is correct for the self isolation yet to make it law can be problematic. In one way, for the British PM to get CoViD-19 is sort of ironic considering the initial steps that were taken - or not taken.

But the national political leaders have to go by what is best for the entire country and that is not necessarily what is best to contain the disease quickly and let it die a quick death. The US being so large and diverse, what works in one area may not be best for the entire country. I think that is why the US allowed state and local governments handle the situation. Europe is different being a lot more densely populated than the US with more people relying on mass transit than privately owned vehicles so the risks are greater. In that context, the New York City area is more like Europe than other US cities with the associated urban sprawl.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:48:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

But YES I should have realised from a lot of the crap mentioned in the preceding weeks on this thread, that apparently any comment that attacks the US - real or IMAGINED - seems to provoke rage and hysteria.

So apologies to all for daring to comment on an incident, posted by an American, that happens to be set in the USA, where a section of the society (that happened to be American because it was in Ohio) want lockdown to end - and for that policy seemingly being promoted by Donald Trump (who happens to be President of the USA), and for the fact I suggested a politician (who in this case happens to be Donald Trump) would be quick to say 'I told you so' to anyone that will listen if his/her decision proved to be the correct one (especially when set against the advice of others). Like that is an unusual position for a politician to make.....




I certainly hope my point wasn't interpreted as one borne of rage or hysteria. My goodness indeed. It was intended to be a gentle reminder to sidestep political name calling and finger wagging in general. Your six-degrees-removed-from-what-I-meant-to-say clarification above was not present in your previous post. Absent this context, your comment could have been interpreted by a reasonable reader as a slight or a smear.

warspite1

Well one could assume its a slight or smear against the President but I don't see how as I did not come down on any side. I simply stated that there are two likely scenarios (in practice there are plenty of grey areas in between too) here and that one would see the US President vindicated in his approach vis-a-vis lockdown and (like any politician would) he would not be slow in telling everyone he was right, while the other extreme... well I left hanging in the air because it ain't gonna be pretty.

Now, if someone wants to post a picture of the Danish or Spanish - or any other world leader that has agreed to relax lockdown - then I can say exactly the same thing because the same applies. Not an attack, just an observation.




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:55:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

But YES I should have realised from a lot of the crap mentioned in the preceding weeks on this thread, that apparently any comment that attacks the US - real or IMAGINED - seems to provoke rage and hysteria.

So apologies to all for daring to comment on an incident, posted by an American, that happens to be set in the USA, where a section of the society (that happened to be American because it was in Ohio) want lockdown to end - and for that policy seemingly being promoted by Donald Trump (who happens to be President of the USA), and for the fact I suggested a politician (who in this case happens to be Donald Trump) would be quick to say 'I told you so' to anyone that will listen if his/her decision proved to be the correct one (especially when set against the advice of others). Like that is an unusual position for a politician to make.....




I certainly hope my point wasn't interpreted as one borne of rage or hysteria. My goodness indeed. It was intended to be a gentle reminder to sidestep political name calling and finger wagging in general. Your six-degrees-removed-from-what-I-meant-to-say clarification above was not present in your previous post. Absent this context, your comment could have been interpreted by a reasonable reader as a slight or a smear.

warspite1

Well one could assume its a slight or smear against the President but I don't see how as I did not come down on any side. I simply stated that there are two likely scenarios (in practice there are plenty of grey areas in between too) here and that one would see the US President vindicated in his approach vis-a-vis lockdown and (like any politician would) he would not be slow in telling everyone he was right, while the other extreme... well I left hanging in the air because it ain't gonna be pretty.

Now, if someone wants to post a picture of the Danish or Spanish - or any other world leader that has agreed to relax lockdown - then I can say exactly the same thing because the same applies. Not an attack, just an observation.





OK. Fair enough.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 9:56:29 PM   
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Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh
warspite1

The more one hears, the more one realises that Boris Johnson and the Conservative Government are not going to come out of this well......

Skipping COBRA meetings? Isn't the whole point of COBRA to discuss things of vital importance?.....



What is COBRA for you lot? Here it's an acronym for continuation of health insurance beyond one's previous employer. When one leaves a company they can elect to continue the company-sponsored health insurance by paying for it out of pocket.

ETA: I also note that you dropped BJs name in there and the Conservative Government of the UK. Other than acknowledging the presence of this namedrop, I won't comment further.

warspite1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_Office_Briefing_Rooms

Exactly. I voted for the Tories and I am British. The Tory (British) Government it increasingly appears, is going to look bad when this is over. Unlike some on these forums recently, I don't work myself up into a lather because someone attacks my country or my leader, for the simple reason that its my country and my leader. If we've (the UK) ****** up there will be a reckoning. And I know this is going to be hard on some of you out there (and you know who you are) but the same applies to your countries and your leaders - yes the EU included.

Some will come out well, some will come out badly. Are we really suggesting we aren't sufficiently grown up that we can discuss this openly?


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 10:06:37 PM   
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Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh
warspite1

The more one hears, the more one realises that Boris Johnson and the Conservative Government are not going to come out of this well......

Skipping COBRA meetings? Isn't the whole point of COBRA to discuss things of vital importance?.....



What is COBRA for you lot? Here it's an acronym for continuation of health insurance beyond one's previous employer. When one leaves a company they can elect to continue the company-sponsored health insurance by paying for it out of pocket.

ETA: I also note that you dropped BJs name in there and the Conservative Government of the UK. Other than acknowledging the presence of this namedrop, I won't comment further.

warspite1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_Office_Briefing_Rooms

Exactly. I voted for the Tories and I am British. The Tory (British) Government it increasingly appears, is going to look bad when this is over. Unlike some on these forums recently, I don't work myself up into a lather because someone attacks my country or my leader, for the simple reason that its my country and my leader. If we've (the UK) ****** up there will be a reckoning. And I know this is going to be hard on some of you out there (and you know who you are) but the same applies to your countries and your leaders - yes the EU included.

Some will come out well, some will come out badly. Are we really suggesting we aren't sufficiently grown up that we can discuss this openly?



Unfortunately, mate, I am suggesting exactly that. No, actually, I'm saying it outright.

This forum-not just this thread-has shown over the years that these grown up political talks devolve rather quickly. In real life, I would love to have a pint or two and shoot the breeze with you about politics-I think it'd be a great talk and you strike me as a bloke that is erudite and well-spoken. But this forum has stayed this forum because of its 'no politics' approach over the years. Sure, that's frequently overlooked-at least on a temporary basis. But to get at the political undertones and underpinnings of the global COVID-19 response on this forum is a bridge too far.

But by all means PM me! I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 10:18:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Just showed Mrs Encircled the pic of the armed men outside the courthouse (?)

She's flabbergasted that its legal.

Anyway, press over here are waking up to the disaster that is our response to this.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/coronavirus-38-days-when-britain-sleepwalked-into-disaster-hq3b9tlgh
warspite1

The more one hears, the more one realises that Boris Johnson and the Conservative Government are not going to come out of this well......

Skipping COBRA meetings? Isn't the whole point of COBRA to discuss things of vital importance?.....



What is COBRA for you lot? Here it's an acronym for continuation of health insurance beyond one's previous employer. When one leaves a company they can elect to continue the company-sponsored health insurance by paying for it out of pocket.

ETA: I also note that you dropped BJs name in there and the Conservative Government of the UK. Other than acknowledging the presence of this namedrop, I won't comment further.

warspite1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_Office_Briefing_Rooms

Exactly. I voted for the Tories and I am British. The Tory (British) Government it increasingly appears, is going to look bad when this is over. Unlike some on these forums recently, I don't work myself up into a lather because someone attacks my country or my leader, for the simple reason that its my country and my leader. If we've (the UK) ****** up there will be a reckoning. And I know this is going to be hard on some of you out there (and you know who you are) but the same applies to your countries and your leaders - yes the EU included.

Some will come out well, some will come out badly. Are we really suggesting we aren't sufficiently grown up that we can discuss this openly?



Unfortunately, mate, I am suggesting exactly that. No, actually, I'm saying it outright.

This forum-not just this thread-has shown over the years that these grown up political talks devolve rather quickly. In real life, I would love to have a pint or two and shoot the breeze with you about politics-I think it'd be a great talk and you strike me as a bloke that is erudite and well-spoken. But this forum has stayed this forum because of its 'no politics' approach over the years. Sure, that's frequently overlooked-at least on a temporary basis. But to get at the political undertones and underpinnings of the global COVID-19 response on this forum is a bridge too far.

But by all means PM me! I'd love to hear your thoughts.
warspite1

Fair enough. I won't mention any names of politicians going forward. Not even... you know... the one in Belgium. So I'll say good night and I'm off for some good old fashioned group sex - oh don't worry, although there are more than 3 people involved, its absolutely essential, so has the blessing of the Belgian Health Minister.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 10:48:27 PM   
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Well I guess we'll know soon enough - either there are a mass of infections, hospitalisations and deaths from where these people are massing.... or there won't be. If it's the latter then Trump will be in full on 'told you so' mode and if its the former....


If it's the former he'll blame you.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/18/2020 11:57:12 PM   
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Worldometers reports from Italy and Belgium today were comparatively encouraging.

Spain, France and UK stable or dropping a bit.

The University of Washington projections were updated again today (or yesterday). For the US, mortality projected at 60k (down from 68k).

Some states saw modest increases. Many saw decreases. Georgia's projected mortality cut in half, to 1,369. California at 1,658, which is remarkably modest given its size. NY at 21,812, which seems improbable since it's already at 17,671.

U. Wash. projection for UK mortality increased significantly to 37.5k from about 23k.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/19/2020 12:04:32 AM   
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I just had a really great idea whilst taking a leak! Suppose we hire out EVERY hotel in Cancun, hire a bunch of charter jets and fly everyone between 18 and 30 down there for 14 nights all inclusive...6 to a room..let them fornicate and drink tainted alcohol to their hearts content. Everyone would get COVID! Now, on the flight back, everyone get Rocephin and Zithromax to treat the GC and Chlamydia. A few thousand cases of Moctezuma's revenge but you could hand out WHO rehydration bottles on the plane.


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Now, on the flight back, everyone get Rocephin and Zithromax to treat the GC and Chlamydia.

Google was no help - what is the "C" in "GC"? (Assuming the "G" is gonorrhea.)



you had it.."gonococcus"

Not yet!

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/19/2020 12:09:58 AM   
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U. Wash. projection for UK mortality increased significantly to 37.5k from about 23k.


I noticed that, within the last 4-5 days or so that they're climbing quickly on the Deaths/M row on the ledger. I think they'll probably wind up being up there with France before all's said and done.

Sweden really increasing lately too.

Canada's done a very respectable job staying down on the Deaths/M, as has Germany and Denmark. Ex-NY/NJ, the United States would be in this ballpark, but that's our lumps.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/19/2020 12:13:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The University of Washington projections were updated again today (or yesterday). For the US, mortality projected at 60k (down from 68k).


It seems to be yoyo-ing around a bit. Wasn't it saying 48k just 3 or 4 days ago? 40% daily adjustments seem to be antithetical to reliable modeling IMO.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/19/2020 12:15:25 AM   
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Any thoughts as to why Germany's doing so well? Is it a demographic thing, a countermeasures thing, a medicine thing, a reporting thing (or more than one)?

A few weeks ago, there was news that Austria and Denmark would be easing countermeasures, starting a few days ago. I haven't seen any updates, so don't know if they postponed that action or proceeded. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/19/2020 12:17:55 AM   
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It's been pretty locked in for the USA (but not for Europe). Three weeks ago, when all the talk was about 100k to 200k mortality, U. Wash. had US projected at 93k mortality. About two weeks ago that dropped to about 83k. Then a few days later it dropped to about 61k. Then a few days later, up to 68k. Now down to 60k. So it's been pretty tight for the past week or ten days, and fairly stable for the past three weeks (compared to so many others). From what I've seen, U. Wash. projections for states have been pretty darned on target - even with the sudden re-calculations on 4/14 to count mortalities differently per CDC guidelines.


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The University of Washington projections were updated again today (or yesterday). For the US, mortality projected at 60k (down from 68k).


It seems to be yoyo-ing around a bit. Wasn't it saying 48k just 3 or 4 days ago? 40% daily adjustments seem to be antithetical to reliable modeling IMO.


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