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Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/18/2020 6:26:53 PM   
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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/18/2020 11:33:10 PM   
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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/19/2020 5:18:08 PM   
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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/19/2020 5:19:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey larry Q, does any unit ever get truly desroyed in Dir. 21? As in vaporized for eternity?

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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/19/2020 5:19:57 PM   
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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/19/2020 5:20:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		wow...and only 24 losses?

It took me a while to learn and I can stand off and bombard an airfield with arty to get kills instead of spending aircraft...turn 21 duh...

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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/19/2020 5:21:29 PM   
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Hey larry Q, does any unit ever get truly destroyed in Dir. 21? As in vaporized for eternity?

I do believe some of it goes to the pools but some of it is just gone.

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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 3/19/2020 8:27:51 PM   
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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 5/1/2020 4:36:35 PM   
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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 11/17/2020 5:08:17 PM   
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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 11/17/2020 6:45:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		During the Soviets move 1, pause the computer moving and pull up the Soviets inventory report and you will see how inaccurate the air briefing report really is. The air briefing report tends to overestimate the enemy losses by as much as 50%. Just guessing, but the actual losses there are probably more in the 2500 - 2700 range. Very good indeed, too. Not downplaying your accomplishment, only reminding that the air briefing report is ALWAYS inaccurate. ALWAYS. I have NEVER seen it report accurately.

Why that has to be, I'm not sure (I suspect that is the way the game provides another layer of "fog of war".) However, for those who wish, there should be a way to force accurate reporting. Perhaps that is accomplished by simply turning Fog of War off, and if that is how one forces accurate numbers into the air briefing report then it should be better explained in the documentation.

Anyway, yes, that is a crushing blow to the Soviet's air assets. I think the best I've gotten is 2200 or so (as reported in the Soviet inventory at the beginning of their turn 1) in a FitE game I think.


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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 11/18/2020 11:17:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		only way I find to know exact opponent air losses:
making an airfield attack you can see the % used for the turn.
For example: already 50 losses indicated. You kill 5 more and total losses go to 60.
You can tell that you've got half of indicated losses.
These are only destroyed planes.

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RE: Russian aircraft destroyed in T1 of D21 game - 11/18/2020 12:29:54 PM   
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only way I find to know exact opponent air losses:
making an airfield attack you can see the % used for the turn.
For example: already 50 losses indicated. You kill 5 more and total losses go to 60.
You can tell that you've got half of indicated losses.
These are only destroyed planes.


Yes this will work- the results shown in the combat report are accurate but the air briefing always has a multiplier applied to enemy losses, which is set at the beginning of the turn.

It's supposed to represent overreporting of enemy air losses, which has been universal in air combat since the First World War. However as the player is aware of this factor it's of limited utility.

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