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RE: May 1945 - 4/30/2020 5:11:07 PM

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The allies get ungodly amounts of 4E bombers, and, just to cheer you up, it gets even worse once the war in Europe is over and all those bombers from Bomber Command, the 8th Airforce and the 15th airforce have nothing to do. :)

In early '46 I'm fielding the following:

B29s: 1,200

B24s: 1,200

B17s: 900

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RE: May 1945 - 5/1/2020 4:14:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

quote:

ORIGINAL: John B.

The allies get ungodly amounts of 4E bombers, and, just to cheer you up, it gets even worse once the war in Europe is over and all those bombers from Bomber Command, the 8th Airforce and the 15th airforce have nothing to do. :)

In early '46 I'm fielding the following:

B29s: 1,200

B24s: 1,200

B17s: 900

Groan! You two are such a comfort. I guess I only need to shoot down about 3,300 of those big 4E brutes.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/1/2020 4:21:19 AM

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well, the allies get ~250 more each month � but who's counting?

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RE: May 1945 - 5/1/2020 5:59:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: John B.

The allies get ungodly amounts of 4E bombers, and, just to cheer you up, it gets even worse once the war in Europe is over and all those bombers from Bomber Command, the 8th Airforce and the 15th airforce have nothing to do. :)

In early '46 I'm fielding the following:

B29s: 1,200

B24s: 1,200

B17s: 900

Groan! You two are such a comfort. I guess I only need to shoot down about 3,300 of those big 4E brutes.

Nah, you just have to survive till 1 September 1945. The big ramp up of Allied 4E occurs after then anyway.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/1/2020 12:26:25 PM

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Alfred had a post awhile ago detailing how if Japan holds out until Sept. 1, 1945 they win (despite the manual seeming to say that it has to hold out until Jan. 1, 1946) that I have really tried to find but been unable to do so. So if that's the target date, and I hope it is as I'm in mid-January 1945 in my game, you avoid most of the European stuff.

As for better news on the 4e planes, each one is worth two VP to you which means that when your flak shoots one down or damages it enough that it becomes an ops loss that's just points in the bank for you. In fact, I'm becoming more of a flak fan. If you can mass it on airbases in cities that still has industry he needs to bomb, he'll take VP losses trying to shut you down and strat bombing you. Is it enough to help? Who knows, but you feel better when you see the red flash underneath a B-24 while it's bombing you. :)

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19 May 1945 - 5/1/2020 3:53:39 PM

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19 May 1945

Darned rocks�
SSX Ha-7 hits uncharted rock at 132 , 115
SSX Ha-7 abandoned due to heavy damage

From the frying pan and into the fire�
PB Choan Maru #2 moved away from piers at Guam due to fires
And then�
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Night Naval bombardment of Guam at 106,95

Japanese Ships
PB Choan Maru #2, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Oklahoma City
CL Topeka
CL Duluth

Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 12
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 1

CL Oklahoma City firing at Guam
CL Topeka firing at 10th Ind.Mixed Regiment
CL Duluth firing at Guam

I don't mind this at all.
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TF 323 encounters mine field at Guam (106,95)

Allied Ships
DD Benson, Mine hits 1

Honors in defense of the homeland!
PO2 Tokuda I. of Soryu-1 is credited with kill number 8
CDR Matsuki W. of Soryu-1 is credited with kill number 14
CDR Matsuki W. of Soryu-1 is credited with kill number 15

Fighters work well VS DDs. Everything else I thow at them seems to miss.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Zenith
DD Zebra
DD Zambesi, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Zealous

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 19 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Zebra
DD Zephyr, Kamikaze hits 1, and is sunk
DD Zealous
DD Zest, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Zodiac, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Myngs
DD Zenith, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage
DD Zambesi, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 21 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Zodiac, Kamikaze hits 3, and is sunk
DD Zenith, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Zealous
DD Zest, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Myngs, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Zebra

Aircraft Attacking:
38 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Zest

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 10 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Zebra
DD Myngs, on fire, heavy damage
DD Zambesi, Kamikaze hits 1, and is sunk
DD Zest, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Myngs
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Zest

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DD Myngs is reported to have been sunk near Hirosaki/Aomori on May 19, 1945
DD Zambesi is reported to have been sunk near Hirosaki/Aomori on May 19, 1945
DD Zealous is reported to have been sunk near Hirosaki/Aomori on May 19, 1945
DD Zephyr is reported to have been sunk near Hirosaki/Aomori on May 19, 1945
DD Zodiac is reported to have been sunk near Hirosaki/Aomori on May 19, 1945
SS Grenadier is reported to have been sunk near Torishima on Mar 13, 1945

In with the new and out with the old�
26th Shinbu-tai arrives at Tokyo
Planes and pilots of Usa Ku K-2 withdrawing
Planes and pilots of T-709 Hikotai withdrawing
Planes and pilots of 67th Sentai withdrawing
Planes and pilots of S-602 Hikotai withdrawing
Planes and pilots of 31st Sentai withdrawing
Planes and pilots of 73rd Sentai withdrawing

And for those wondering about Operation Go Juice

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RE: May 1945 - 5/1/2020 4:09:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: John B.

Alfred had a post awhile ago detailing how if Japan holds out until Sept. 1, 1945 they win (despite the manual seeming to say that it has to hold out until Jan. 1, 1946) that I have really tried to find but been unable to do so. So if that's the target date, and I hope it is as I'm in mid-January 1945 in my game, you avoid most of the European stuff.

As for better news on the 4e planes, each one is worth two VP to you which means that when your flak shoots one down or damages it enough that it becomes an ops loss that's just points in the bank for you. In fact, I'm becoming more of a flak fan. If you can mass it on airbases in cities that still has industry he needs to bomb, he'll take VP losses trying to shut you down and strat bombing you. Is it enough to help? Who knows, but you feel better when you see the red flash underneath a B-24 while it's bombing you. :)

Well Here's hoping Alfred is right!

I'm already sporting a minor victory but that was in place with Roger's prior opponent - I can really take no credit there.

What I'm getting out of this end game tho, are some important ideas/thoughts/observations of how I want to prepare for any future games I play.

- Float Planes are really pretty good as kamikaze. And you don't need an airfield.
- Try to bring my big AA units to Japan as I withdraw to the home isles.
- Fuel, HI, supplies - stockpile!!!!
- It's OK to have a large pool of the older Oscar and Claudes - fighters as kamikaze work well VS DD.
- For CAP, spreading my fighters over several airfields and several altitude bands really seems to help against the sweeps.
- Whack-a-mole with airfields is a challenging dance...

I'm still trying to find something that's more effective VS the allied 4E bombers. Most of my fighters left to me in this game are a few generations behind, and my pilot pool sucks. There's probably not a lot I can do while wearing those two lead boots...

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RE: May 1945 - 5/1/2020 4:12:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

well, the allies get ~250 more each month � but who's counting?

lol. I am!

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 12:44:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

quote:

ORIGINAL: John B.

Alfred had a post awhile ago detailing how if Japan holds out until Sept. 1, 1945 they win (despite the manual seeming to say that it has to hold out until Jan. 1, 1946) that I have really tried to find but been unable to do so. So if that's the target date, and I hope it is as I'm in mid-January 1945 in my game, you avoid most of the European stuff.

As for better news on the 4e planes, each one is worth two VP to you which means that when your flak shoots one down or damages it enough that it becomes an ops loss that's just points in the bank for you. In fact, I'm becoming more of a flak fan. If you can mass it on airbases in cities that still has industry he needs to bomb, he'll take VP losses trying to shut you down and strat bombing you. Is it enough to help? Who knows, but you feel better when you see the red flash underneath a B-24 while it's bombing you. :)

Well Here's hoping Alfred is right!

I'm already sporting a minor victory but that was in place with Roger's prior opponent - I can really take no credit there.

What I'm getting out of this end game tho, are some important ideas/thoughts/observations of how I want to prepare for any future games I play.

- Float Planes are really pretty good as kamikaze. And you don't need an airfield.
- Try to bring my big AA units to Japan as I withdraw to the home isles.
- Fuel, HI, supplies - stockpile!!!!
- It's OK to have a large pool of the older Oscar and Claudes - fighters as kamikaze work well VS DD.
- For CAP, spreading my fighters over several airfields and several altitude bands really seems to help against the sweeps.
- Whack-a-mole with airfields is a challenging dance...

I'm still trying to find something that's more effective VS the allied 4E bombers. Most of my fighters left to me in this game are a few generations behind, and my pilot pool sucks. There's probably not a lot I can do while wearing those two lead boots...

FP's are good as kami's when there is little to no CAP �
Economy is a BIG deal.
Again, older airframes work as kami's as long as there is no CAP � you may wish though that you had saved those HI and used them on Frank -r instead � a much better fighter and much better kami if you so choose.
Once the allies get within B17 range of any base, it is toast if they choose.
When they are still at B29 range, you have a chance; still difficult, but you have a chance.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 1:30:10 AM

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Pax, this is a pick up game so he has to fight with what he has. But yes, better to save the HI and pilots for the better air frames. Then the situation may not have gotten this bad. A good lesson for all.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 2:13:46 AM

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Understood, and no reflection on what he has or how he got there.

just don't want him to think that building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero is a good idea because they make great kami in a new game. They are acceptable kami against no cap TF's. you really don't want a lot of them around if you can help it ...

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 3:16:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Understood, and no reflection on what he has or how he got there.

just don't want him to think that building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero is a good idea because they make great kami in a new game. They are acceptable kami against no cap TF's. you really don't want a lot of them around if you can help it ...

Building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero - actually - that's exactly what I'm thinking. Oh - I'll try to stock up newer-model fighters and a bunch of 2E bombers too, but the reality is that sometimes sheer numbers will allow me to overwhelm an enemy CAP. Another WAG I have is that I should have better opportunities to hit enemy ships of my kamikazi have armor. I'd love to try float fighters but there are a limited number of air groups that can convert. What I like about the FP is that I can still throw them at the enemy while the allies are trying to knock out my airfields. When it comes to the final defense of Japan, I think I want as many tools as possible in 1945/46.

One last thing that I am doing that I think is paying dividends: I've got a *lot* of air groups on Naval Search so I can increase my detection levels.

High Fort levels also seem to reduce losses VS naval and Air bombardments.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 3:30:04 PM

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I agree.

Edit: I agree with Pax.

< Message edited by RangerJoe -- 5/2/2020 4:29:40 PM >

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 3:52:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Understood, and no reflection on what he has or how he got there.

just don't want him to think that building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero is a good idea because they make great kami in a new game. They are acceptable kami against no cap TF's. you really don't want a lot of them around if you can help it ...

Building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero - actually - that's exactly what I'm thinking. Oh - I'll try to stock up newer-model fighters and a bunch of 2E bombers too, but the reality is that sometimes sheer numbers will allow me to overwhelm an enemy CAP. Another WAG I have is that I should have better opportunities to hit enemy ships of my kamikazi have armor. I'd love to try float fighters but there are a limited number of air groups that can convert. What I like about the FP is that I can still throw them at the enemy while the allies are trying to knock out my airfields. When it comes to the final defense of Japan, I think I want as many tools as possible in 1945/46.

One last thing that I am doing that I think is paying dividends: I've got a *lot* of air groups on Naval Search so I can increase my detection levels.

High Fort levels also seem to reduce losses VS naval and Air bombardments.

So let me go back to an old, old, old thread. You'll have to search for it and it has tons of details. The gist is:

As the IJ, you have a fixed amount of HI during a game. Yes, you can get lucky, conquer HI factories intact blah, blah, blah. BUT, in large terms, it is fixed. HI fixed, it means there is a finite number of aircraft to build in a game. As a player you get to choose: A6M or A7M. That simple. If you build loads of A6M, you will NOT have loads A7M.

So, consider carefully. Building loads of Oscar/A6M works for an autovic in 42/43. Plenty of AAR's to support. failing autovic, this approach has the economy collapsing by end of '44. Either by B29 that Oscar/A6M cannot counter, or simply running out of supply. Again, plenty of AAR on this outcome too.

Simply put, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. If you want loads of A6M, you have to play with A6M in the late game.

Good News: everyone gets to play their game their way. Good Luck!!!

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 4:56:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Understood, and no reflection on what he has or how he got there.

just don't want him to think that building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero is a good idea because they make great kami in a new game. They are acceptable kami against no cap TF's. you really don't want a lot of them around if you can help it ...

Building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero - actually - that's exactly what I'm thinking. Oh - I'll try to stock up newer-model fighters and a bunch of 2E bombers too, but the reality is that sometimes sheer numbers will allow me to overwhelm an enemy CAP. Another WAG I have is that I should have better opportunities to hit enemy ships of my kamikazi have armor. I'd love to try float fighters but there are a limited number of air groups that can convert. What I like about the FP is that I can still throw them at the enemy while the allies are trying to knock out my airfields. When it comes to the final defense of Japan, I think I want as many tools as possible in 1945/46.

One last thing that I am doing that I think is paying dividends: I've got a *lot* of air groups on Naval Search so I can increase my detection levels.

High Fort levels also seem to reduce losses VS naval and Air bombardments.

Only build the older aircraft if you have the engines already built. I would not build more of those engines if you can build engines for better fighters - that also means armoured fighters.

I would not worry about building 2E bombers. Not even for Kamikazes. You need the fighters more. You can build twice as many 1Es. If you can, build the 1Es with 800 kg bombs.

High Fort level do help reduce losses AND increase balloons for low level defense.

Naval Search is good but it can also cost you aircraft. But you could also try searching with float fighters. I do not know if they can/will shoot down enemy fighters on Naval Search. But remember to search at night.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 6:24:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Understood, and no reflection on what he has or how he got there.

just don't want him to think that building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero is a good idea because they make great kami in a new game. They are acceptable kami against no cap TF's. you really don't want a lot of them around if you can help it ...

Building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero - actually - that's exactly what I'm thinking. Oh - I'll try to stock up newer-model fighters and a bunch of 2E bombers too, but the reality is that sometimes sheer numbers will allow me to overwhelm an enemy CAP. Another WAG I have is that I should have better opportunities to hit enemy ships of my kamikazi have armor. I'd love to try float fighters but there are a limited number of air groups that can convert. What I like about the FP is that I can still throw them at the enemy while the allies are trying to knock out my airfields. When it comes to the final defense of Japan, I think I want as many tools as possible in 1945/46.

One last thing that I am doing that I think is paying dividends: I've got a *lot* of air groups on Naval Search so I can increase my detection levels.

High Fort levels also seem to reduce losses VS naval and Air bombardments.

Only build the older aircraft if you have the engines already built. I would not build more of those engines if you can build engines for better fighters - that also means armoured fighters.

I would not worry about building 2E bombers. Not even for Kamikazes. You need the fighters more. You can build twice as many 1Es. If you can, build the 1Es with 800 kg bombs.

High Fort level do help reduce losses AND increase balloons for low level defense.

Naval Search is good but it can also cost you aircraft. But you could also try searching with float fighters. I do not know if they can/will shoot down enemy fighters on Naval Search. But remember to search at night.

Night search... I knew there was something I was 4getting to do in this game. TY.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 6:36:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Understood, and no reflection on what he has or how he got there.

just don't want him to think that building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero is a good idea because they make great kami in a new game. They are acceptable kami against no cap TF's. you really don't want a lot of them around if you can help it ...

Building tons of FP and Nate/Claudes/Oscar/Zero - actually - that's exactly what I'm thinking. Oh - I'll try to stock up newer-model fighters and a bunch of 2E bombers too, but the reality is that sometimes sheer numbers will allow me to overwhelm an enemy CAP. Another WAG I have is that I should have better opportunities to hit enemy ships of my kamikazi have armor. I'd love to try float fighters but there are a limited number of air groups that can convert. What I like about the FP is that I can still throw them at the enemy while the allies are trying to knock out my airfields. When it comes to the final defense of Japan, I think I want as many tools as possible in 1945/46.

One last thing that I am doing that I think is paying dividends: I've got a *lot* of air groups on Naval Search so I can increase my detection levels.

High Fort levels also seem to reduce losses VS naval and Air bombardments.

So let me go back to an old, old, old thread. You'll have to search for it and it has tons of details. The gist is:

As the IJ, you have a fixed amount of HI during a game. Yes, you can get lucky, conquer HI factories intact blah, blah, blah. BUT, in large terms, it is fixed. HI fixed, it means there is a finite number of aircraft to build in a game. As a player you get to choose: A6M or A7M. That simple. If you build loads of A6M, you will NOT have loads A7M.

So, consider carefully. Building loads of Oscar/A6M works for an autovic in 42/43. Plenty of AAR's to support. failing autovic, this approach has the economy collapsing by end of '44. Either by B29 that Oscar/A6M cannot counter, or simply running out of supply. Again, plenty of AAR on this outcome too.

Simply put, you cannot have your cake and eat it too. If you want loads of A6M, you have to play with A6M in the late game.

Good News: everyone gets to play their game their way. Good Luck!!!

lol - I hear you, Pax. In the end, it comes down to how I plan the war, how successful I am in gaining my objectives, and my ability to adapt to changes. Even when I play the AI, the allies never seem to do what I want them to do... <wry grin>

What I'm hoping for is to get Roger to drop an A-bomb. I just want to see what that looks like. Only his 393rd NBS can drop an A-bomb.

Does anyone know if it's possible to shoot down the bomber carrying the weapon? I'm just wondering if the A-Bomb is hard-coded to successfully drop when a mission is assigned to the 393rd or if I might-could drive the bomber group away with a strong CAP or shoot down the enemy bomber with the atomic payload.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/2/2020 7:22:36 PM

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DW:

Oh, yes those tricksy allies never cooperate.

My notes are related to a new game that you are in control of.

Your current game, totally different aspect. You use what you have as you can.

Yes, you can shoot it down and then it is lost, counts against the allies, but no damage to you.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/3/2020 2:23:01 AM

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For Kamikaze profile, look up my September 2018 and February 2019 comments in Mike Solli's and Obvert's AARs respectively.

Suffice to say, against any sort of Allied CAP, kamikaze float planes will probably generate a ROI commensurate with lottery buying IRL.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/3/2020 3:06:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

For Kamikaze profile, look up my September 2018 and February 2019 comments in Mike Solli's and Obvert's AARs respectively.

Suffice to say, against any sort of Allied CAP, kamikaze float planes will probably generate a ROI commensurate with lottery buying IRL.

Alfred

A man won two 1,000,000 USD pries on the same day:

Colorado man wins $1 million lottery jackpot twice on same day
By Associated Press
April 29, 2020

https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/colorado-man-hits-1-million-lottery-jackpot-twice-on-same-day/

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RE: May 1945 - 5/3/2020 3:12:13 AM

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Random, randoms. Not the way to properly plan ahead.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/3/2020 3:59:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

For Kamikaze profile, look up my September 2018 and February 2019 comments in Mike Solli's and Obvert's AARs respectively.

Suffice to say, against any sort of Allied CAP, kamikaze float planes will probably generate a ROI commensurate with lottery buying IRL.

Alfred

That made for some good reading - thank you. I was reading that whole Nemo/MichaelM thread on the kamikaze too. Wow.

So I've ran into CAP several times with FP and you are right - they get shredded. Often tho, at least 1 or two make it through to get their attack in. I try to coordinate with Escort missions, and other attacks. My FP - I almost always run at 100ft.

So this is from the 19th:

I need to go back and look but I would swear I have the levels @ 100ft...
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E7K2 Alf x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 7 destroyed
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Myngs
DD Zodiac
DD Zealous

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x E7K2 Alf flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
E8N2 Dave x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
E8N2 Dave: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Zest
DD Zenith

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x E8N2 Dave flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb

And Dive bombers @ 11k
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 5 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Zephyr
DD Zenith

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x D3A1 Val flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

But the fighters - as you point out in your reading assignment, they do much better.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Zenith
DD Zebra
DD Zambesi, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Zealous

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hirosaki/Aomori at 116,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 19 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Zebra
DD Zephyr, Kamikaze hits 1, and is sunk
DD Zealous
DD Zest, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Zodiac, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Myngs
DD Zenith, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage
DD Zambesi, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
34 x Ki-43-IIb Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Thinking back, my FP have done better VS merchant shipping - lol.

Still, the point I was trying to make is that I want FP, fighters, and 2E in my toolbox when I'm dealing with the endgame. Also, anything I can do to increase the detection level improves my opportunity to at least swing my bat.

In this game, Roger is not capping every TF he has within range of Japan. I suspect that, with his advantage of shipping and airpower, he is more than willing to accept a few losses.

I think the only thing I've got that seems to do well VS DD are fighter Kamikazi.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/3/2020 11:43:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Random, randoms.� Not the way to properly plan ahead.

Alfred

Not always:

quote:

Ex-lottery worker who rigged winnings gets 25 years in prison
August 23, 2017

A former lottery worker was sentenced to 25 years in prison on Tuesday for rigging the system in several states so he could collect the jackpots.

Eddie Tipton, former security director of the Multistate Lottery Association, received the maximum sentence from an Iowa judge, who mentioned Tipton's "greed" in his sentencing.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/22/news/iowa-lottery-sentencing/index.html

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RE: May 1945 - 5/3/2020 5:37:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Random, randoms.� Not the way to properly plan ahead.

Alfred

Not always:

quote:

Ex-lottery worker who rigged winnings gets 25 years in prison
August 23, 2017

A former lottery worker was sentenced to 25 years in prison on Tuesday for rigging the system in several states so he could collect the jackpots.

Eddie Tipton, former security director of the Multistate Lottery Association, received the maximum sentence from an Iowa judge, who mentioned Tipton's "greed" in his sentencing.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/22/news/iowa-lottery-sentencing/index.html

<laughter> Eddie Tipton tried to tip the lotto but to his dismay, he tripped the scales of justice, walking away with a lower prize of three hots and a cot, 25 years of free medical service (minus time off for good behavior), and new neighbors reported to be looking for love in all the wrong places.

Classic.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/3/2020 5:47:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Random, randoms.� Not the way to properly plan ahead.

Alfred

Not always:

quote:

Ex-lottery worker who rigged winnings gets 25 years in prison
August 23, 2017

A former lottery worker was sentenced to 25 years in prison on Tuesday for rigging the system in several states so he could collect the jackpots.

Eddie Tipton, former security director of the Multistate Lottery Association, received the maximum sentence from an Iowa judge, who mentioned Tipton's "greed" in his sentencing.

https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/22/news/iowa-lottery-sentencing/index.html

<laughter> Eddie Tipton tried to tip the lotto but to his dismay, he tripped the scales of justice, walking away with a lower prize of three hots and a cot, 25 years of free medical service (minus time off for good behavior), and new neighbors reported to be looking for love in all the wrong places.

Classic.

That is because he got greedy. He also tried to be anonymous at first and that started people looking into it. He could have just settled for that first big win, sharing it with someone he trusted who would turn it in.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/9/2020 7:09:44 PM

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So operation GoJuice was successful. All the way down near Guadalcanal and back with three tankers and an oiler - wow!

I've refueled my carriers and I am arranging my carrier air groups. The next question is what to do with them. This is basically the last Harrah for the carriers and they're not gonna go far as all I was able to do is fill up the fuel tanks...

I haven't seen Roger's carriers in 4ever. Every few nights he comes by the west coast of Japan to do a BB bombardment...

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RE: May 1945 - 5/9/2020 7:18:59 PM

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On the 25th of May Roger mined Yokohama and did a zillion sweeps. He also pounded a few airfields as we are still playing whack-a-mole.

My ground forces in Manchukuo are pretty much in tatters. Constant ground attacks, lack of supplies, and combat have brought Japan's armies to their knees.

Soon it shall be Japan w/o any CAP awaiting the amphibious assaults of the allies.

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RE: May 1945 - 5/10/2020 5:19:21 PM

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I gave a little but got spanked a lot. I think Roger has finally figured out that I've very little in the way of CAP left...

Roger is not worried about what I have left so here I get in a surprise for him...

Morning Air attack on TF, near Chiba at 119,70

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
AKA Vinton
AGC Panamint, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
AKA Starr, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
AKA Tyrell, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire

Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-46-III KAI Dinah flying as kamikaze

And here's where I get spanked...

Morning Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 7
A6M2 Zero x 6
A6M5b Zero x 7
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 47
Ki-61-II KAI Tony x 20

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 75

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61-II KAI Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tachikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AS Hie Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
xAK Fuso Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Hiyama Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AG Muroto, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Amagi Maru #2, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Surabaya Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Imizu Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
E Yugao, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Ryuun Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Port hits 17
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Shibayama D. in a Ki-61-II KAI Tony rams a PB4Y-2 Privateer for the Emperor
Ammo storage explosion on CV Soryu
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Hosho
Ammo storage explosion on CV Soryu
Ammo storage explosion on CV Soryu

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Morning Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 11
A6M2 Zero x 5
A6M5b Zero x 7
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 36
Ki-61-II KAI Tony x 17

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 93
B-29-25 Superfort x 3
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61-II KAI Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 20 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
TK Amagi Maru #2, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk
CV Soryu, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Ryuun Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
xAK Surabaya Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 9, and is sunk
xAK Hiyama Maru, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tachikaze, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Imizu Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
AS Hie Maru, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
E Yugao, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AG Muroto, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Fuso Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Port hits 13
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Ammo storage explosion on CVE Hosho
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Hosho
Massive explosion on xAK Surabaya Maru

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Morning Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 5
A6M2 Zero x 2
A6M5b Zero x 6
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Ki-61-II KAI Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-61-II KAI Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 destroyed, 10 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Fuso Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Hiyama Maru, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Fujimoto B. in a Ki-43-Ic Oscar rams a PB4Y-2 Privateer for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 1
A6M2 Zero x 2
A6M5b Zero x 2
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9
Ki-61-II KAI Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-61-II KAI Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 5 damaged
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
AG Muroto, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Fuso Maru, and is sunk

Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 8000 feet
Port Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Okamoto D. in a Ki-61-II KAI Tony rams a PB4Y-2 Privateer for the Emperor
Banzai! - Taniguchi H. in a Ki-61-II KAI Tony rams a PB4Y-2 Privateer for the Emperor