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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 6:52:10 PM

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But then you had the morons who were telling everyone it was panic mongering to say how bad it might get. Even on this forum.

You're shooting the messengers here. Yes, some of us correctly found the good reliable sources but you can't blame the vast majority. They believed what they swallowed: the menu the mass media + the many pundits (even top political leaders) were serving. The menu = minimise the virus.

What I don't know is why they did this when the real thing was out there (a few clicks of your mouse on the internets): people literally dropping dead in the streets... overwhelmed emergency rooms, the Chinese quarantining circa 70 million people, building that huge hospital in 10 days

The Russians quickly understood something really nasty was going on when they closed the border the 30 january (the traditional paranoia helped here no doubt). But the rest? A ridiculous state of denial fueled by the traditional media.

And this behaviour only started to change on what...? The first weeks of march?

A whole month was wasted minimum.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 7:01:52 PM

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But then you had the morons who were telling everyone it was panic mongering to say how bad it might get. Even on this forum.

You're shooting the messengers here. Yes, some of us correctly found the good reliable sources but you can't blame the vast majority. They believed what they swallowed: the menu the mass media + the many pundits (even top political leaders) were serving. The menu = minimise the virus.

What I don't know is why they did this when the real thing was out there (a few clicks of your mouse on the internets): people literally dropping dead in the streets... overwhelmed emergency rooms, the Chinese quarantining circa 70 million people, building that huge hospital in 10 days The Russians quickly understood something really nasty was going on when they closed the border the 30 january (the traditional paranoia helped here no doubt). But the rest? A ridiculous state of denial fueled by the traditional media.

And this behaviour only started to change on what...? The first weeks of march? A whole month was wasted minimum.

Yes, fairly accurate. Trump saying the U.S. had it under control was nuts. The U.K. wanting to conquer it by herd immunity. Other crazy stuff.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 7:21:05 PM

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or, data from the real world:

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Mortality from Covid-19 in the Republic of Ireland is currently seven per 100,000.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18379160.coronavirus-death-rate-covid-england-nearly-twice-high-scotland/

That is totally inaccurate and you should not post fiction. The real numbers are not known because no one knows how many are infected.

You and Statler really have a problem don't you?

Ok, do you want to tell Leo Varadkar his official govt stats are wrong? Or shall I send him Bob's graphs? Since he is also a practicing doctor I'm sure he'll find them fascinating

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 7:23:59 PM

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or, data from the real world:

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Mortality from Covid-19 in the Republic of Ireland is currently seven per 100,000.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18379160.coronavirus-death-rate-covid-england-nearly-twice-high-scotland/

That is totally inaccurate and you should not post fiction. The real numbers are not known because no one knows how many are infected.

You and Statler really have a problem don't you?

Ok, do you want to tell Leo Varadkar his official govt stats are wrong? Or shall I send him Bob's graphs? Since he is also a practicing doctor I'm sure he'll find them fascinating

Ah, so he knows how many are actually infected when no one else on the planet does. He needs to share how he tested 7.5 billion people so quickly.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 8:05:42 PM

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You and Statler really have a problem don't you?

Ok, do you want to tell Leo Varadkar his official govt stats are wrong? Or shall I send him Bob's graphs? Since he is also a practicing doctor I'm sure he'll find them fascinating

Ah, so he knows how many are actually infected when no one else on the planet does. He needs to share how he tested 7.5 billion people so quickly.

No he doesn't, the figure is the official rate put out by the Irish govt for the impact in the Republic of Ireland. Like Statler, you are so keen to be right and shout down everyone, you forget the tedious step of reading what they are saying ...

I mean you do the big Irish thing in your avatar and you don't know the name of the current Taoiseach (ok to be fair he's current only in the role till a new coalition govt is formed)

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 8:28:23 PM

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You and Statler really have a problem don't you?

Ok, do you want to tell Leo Varadkar his official govt stats are wrong? Or shall I send him Bob's graphs? Since he is also a practicing doctor I'm sure he'll find them fascinating

Ah, so he knows how many are actually infected when no one else on the planet does. He needs to share how he tested 7.5 billion people so quickly.

No he doesn't, the figure is the official rate put out by the Irish govt for the impact in the Republic of Ireland. Like Statler, you are so keen to be right and shout down everyone, you forget the tedious step of reading what they are saying ...

I mean you do the big Irish thing in your avatar and you don't know the name of the current Taoiseach (ok to be fair he's current only in the role till a new coalition govt is formed)

LMFAO...surely you know of the Irish Rebellion in 1641? My ancestor was one of them. He was sent to Jamestown in 1652 where he was sold as an indentured servant. I suppose it could have gone differently. What about you? Any ancestors who fought in that particular rebellion?

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 8:57:37 PM

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A German spy sent to Ireland during World War II is instructed to meet an Irish spy named Murphy and confirm Murphy�s identity by saying, �The weather could change by Tuesday.�

After the German parachutes into Ireland, he sets off for town. Along the way, he asks a farmer where to find a man named Murphy.

�Well, sir, it all depends on which Murphy,� says the farmer. �We have Murphy the doctor, Murphy the postal carrier, Murphy the stonemason and Murphy the teacher. As a matter of fact, I, too, am Murphy, Murphy the farmer.�

The German gets an idea.

�The weather could change by Tuesday,� he says.

�Aye,� says the farmer, �you�ll be wanting Murphy the spy.�

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 9:04:37 PM

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could you explain the importance of what some ancestor of yours got up to 1641 has to do with Covid-19? I mean we are still waiting for Leroy to explain why he raised the issues of casualties in American Civil War battles in the original thread?

FWIW, its not impossible that someone on the English side of my family was putting the rebellion down while I'd suspect my Highland ancestors were nicking someone's cows (we did a lot of that).

edit: ah just realised, you don't know the difference between Scots and Irish Gaelic? A wee clue, we can't easily understand each other.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 9:17:08 PM

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I mean you do the big Irish thing in your avatar and you don't know the name of the current Taoiseach (ok to be fair he's current only in the role till a new coalition govt is formed)

Sorry I thought you were speaking from the perspective of someone who lived in Ireland because of what you said. You did bring it up you know so I explained.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 10:11:01 PM

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You're making as much sense as the numpties who go to watch Celtic and start chanting 'up the RA'.

I cited from a newspaper that quoted the official death rates for the Republic of Ireland, I am not Irish and oddly I don't think you have to be Irish to do that. Unlike you, I seem to know the name of the current Taoiseach which is probably why you missed the relevance of indicating the data comes from Varadkur.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 11:11:16 PM

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You're making as much sense as the numpties who go to watch Celtic and start chanting 'up the RA'.

I cited from a newspaper that quoted the official death rates for the Republic of Ireland, I am not Irish and oddly I don't think you have to be Irish to do that. Unlike you, I seem to know the name of the current Taoiseach which is probably why you missed the relevance of indicating the data comes from Varadkur.

Just because someone claims Irish ancestry does not mean that they follow the politics of Ireland.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/15/2020 11:33:46 PM

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You're making as much sense as the numpties who go to watch Celtic and start chanting 'up the RA'.

I cited from a newspaper that quoted the official death rates for the Republic of Ireland, I am not Irish and oddly I don't think you have to be Irish to do that. Unlike you, I seem to know the name of the current Taoiseach which is probably why you missed the relevance of indicating the data comes from Varadkur.

I don't know the names of 90% or more of the national leaders on the planet. What's your point?

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 12:41:38 AM

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Looks like it was China all along.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources.amp

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 1:32:58 AM

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Mississippi mayor nixes ban on drive-in services after DOJ intervention

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A day after the Justice Department intervened on behalf of a local church in a lawsuit over a ban on drive-in services in Greenville, Miss., due to city COVID-19 social distancing restrictions, the mayor now says such religious gatherings are allowed.

�Today, given the definitive guidance from the governor, in the city of Greenville we will allow drive-in and parking lot services in the city � so long as families stay in their cars with windows up,� Greenville Mayor Errick Simmons said in a press conference Wednesday streamed over Facebook Live.
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He said that during a call with mayors from around the state, Gov. Tate Reeves had told the local leaders that drive-in services �are safe� when congregants follow social distancing guidelines and remain in their separate cars with their windows up.

"The City of Greenville fined congregants $500 per person for attending these parking lot services � while permitting citizens to attend nearby drive-in restaurants, even with their windows open,� Attorney General Bill Barr said Tuesday, echoing concerns of critics of the ban who said it singled out religious institutions unfairly.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mississippi-mayor-nixes-ban-drive-in-services-doj-intervention

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 5:10:48 AM

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I should listen to myself I have vision like clarity. I said this in the previous New Corona virus thread.

I was pretty close to being right. No craziness when it comes to China.

"In fact, China doesn't seem to think it that serious, why did they reject the offer of our governments help. Its a crazy theory but is it possible they see this a way eradicate some of their overcrowded population."

Now we know they did produce the virus. Only real life can be stranger then fantasy.

News headline today
There is an increasing belief that the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) originated in a lab in Wuhan, China -- not as a bioweapon -- but as part of Beijing's effort to identify and treat viruses to enhance its own international prestige, according to sources.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 6:15:16 AM

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 9:27:41 AM

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" Its a crazy theory but is it possible they [China] see this a way eradicate some of their overcrowded population."

Crazy stuff. Who wrote this lunacy? A krokodil addict, no doubt.

And that's a good example on how conspiracy theories cannot grasp the most basic, elemental real world facts

In november 2013, the Chinese relaxed the one-child policy. Why? because the population pyramid is starting to look like the west's pyramid aka ageing populations. In other words, just like in the west, they need more babies now

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Throw in some aliens though. Now if you're talking about a sordid plan like here and here

... and yet... eugenics are truly a quintessential anglo-saxon thing, my friend. Looks like we are dealing with psychological projection here eh hehe

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 10:06:07 AM

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You're making as much sense as the numpties who go to watch Celtic and start chanting 'up the RA'.

I cited from a newspaper that quoted the official death rates for the Republic of Ireland, I am not Irish and oddly I don't think you have to be Irish to do that. Unlike you, I seem to know the name of the current Taoiseach which is probably why you missed the relevance of indicating the data comes from Varadkur.

I don't know the names of 90% or more of the national leaders on the planet. What's your point?

my point is I cited official figures from the Republic of Ireland (& that apply purely in the Republic). Now since they have a substantial degree of wider testing and contact tracing they probably are more accurate than those reported by many states - in effect they are capturing a lot more of the 'ill but not hospitalised' than say England.

You bang on about this is wrong on a global scale.

I agree, its the data from one small country and I mentioned that Varadkur is both the leader and a practising doctor. My mistake was to assume that someone who does a big thing about being 'Irish' in their avatar would know something about the place.

I hadn't realised your connection was some fantasy from the mid-seventeenth century. Makes me worry you are similar to some rather odd Americans who used to turn up where I worked in Caithness a few years back. Part of that was a serious academic centre researching the clearances and they would want evidence that granny had been evicted from the ancestral croft by English soldiers at bayonet point or had been at Culloden etc. Usually it turned out, they had no links, perhaps one ancestor had moved to the Americas from Lowland Scotland.

So as with Statler, apologies I made the mistake of assuming you knew what you were talking about ...

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 10:10:56 AM

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" Its a crazy theory but is it possible they [China] see this a way eradicate some of their overcrowded population."

Crazy stuff. Who wrote this lunacy? A krokodil addict, no doubt.

And that's a good example on how conspiracy theories cannot grasp the most basic, elemental real world facts

In november 2013, the Chinese relaxed the one-child policy. Why? because the population pyramid is starting to look like the west's pyramid aka ageing populations. In other words, just like in the west, they need more babies now

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Throw in some aliens though. Now if you're talking about a sordid plan like here and here

... and yet... eugenics are truly a quintessential anglo-saxon thing, my friend. Looks like we are dealing with psychological projection here eh hehe

Why do you constantly defend the Chinese Communist Government and their lies? The truth is that the Chinese created this virus and unleashed it first on their own people and then on the world. The Chinese Communists are to blame and bear full responsibility for all the deaths..

That is the truth, but you seem to be a denier of the facts and a defender of one of the most vile murderous and lying governments the world has seen. The evil Chinese Communists.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 10:40:22 AM

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" Its a crazy theory but is it possible they [China] see this a way eradicate some of their overcrowded population."

Crazy stuff. Who wrote this lunacy? A krokodil addict, no doubt.

And that's a good example on how conspiracy theories cannot grasp the most basic, elemental real world facts

In november 2013, the Chinese relaxed the one-child policy. Why? because the population pyramid is starting to look like the west's pyramid aka ageing populations. In other words, just like in the west, they need more babies now

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Throw in some aliens though. Now if you're talking about a sordid plan like here and here

... and yet... eugenics are truly a quintessential anglo-saxon thing, my friend. Looks like we are dealing with psychological projection here eh hehe

It was just a bone thrown out there my friend. I presumed most gathered caught it, seems (except yourself). China is and has been quite capable of committing atrocities in many different ways, that was my point. Its always a good thing to be skeptical of Chinas intentions. I'm mean, they were the ones who have continually covered up the extent of the pandemic in their own country. And allowed people from China infected to fly to other countries and infect those countries. All, in the name of hiding info that would have helped the whole world.
Just to be sure you understand what I think is real. The "real" is more in line with the news story headline I posted. Real world facts Coronavirus deaths are primarily old people. SO they have an unforeseen remedy from their virus. Its killing their old people.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 10:47:56 AM

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Zovs, the only truth I know is they ruthlessly fought (and defeated, hopefully) Covid-19, saving their own people in the process. Not too bad. End of story.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 10:55:12 AM

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Zovs, the only truth I know is they ruthlessly fought (and defeated, hopefully) Covid-19, saving their own people in the process. Not too bad. End of story.

No one has defeated this virus any more than anyone has defeated the common cold.

Hopefully some day that will be true. Since the Chinese have had it in their country since December it would be reasonable to assume they would come up with the vaccine first.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 11:08:16 AM

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You're making as much sense as the numpties who go to watch Celtic and start chanting 'up the RA'.

I cited from a newspaper that quoted the official death rates for the Republic of Ireland, I am not Irish and oddly I don't think you have to be Irish to do that. Unlike you, I seem to know the name of the current Taoiseach which is probably why you missed the relevance of indicating the data comes from Varadkur.

I don't know the names of 90% or more of the national leaders on the planet. What's your point?

my point is I cited official figures from the Republic of Ireland (& that apply purely in the Republic). Now since they have a substantial degree of wider testing and contact tracing they probably are more accurate than those reported by many states - in effect they are capturing a lot more of the 'ill but not hospitalised' than say England.

You bang on about this is wrong on a global scale.

I agree, its the data from one small country and I mentioned that Varadkur is both the leader and a practising doctor. My mistake was to assume that someone who does a big thing about being 'Irish' in their avatar would know something about the place.

I hadn't realised your connection was some fantasy from the mid-seventeenth century. Makes me worry you are similar to some rather odd Americans who used to turn up where I worked in Caithness a few years back. Part of that was a serious academic centre researching the clearances and they would want evidence that granny had been evicted from the ancestral croft by English soldiers at bayonet point or had been at Culloden etc. Usually it turned out, they had no links, perhaps one ancestor had moved to the Americas from Lowland Scotland.

So as with Statler, apologies I made the mistake of assuming you knew what you were talking about ...

You have a really hard time detecting sarcasm. Someone with your superior intelligence should be able to see it. I guess I assumed too much.

I don't know who Stat whatever is and I don't give a FF about Irish politics, don't care for politicians and have no idea nor care anything about Scotland. Furthermore you mentioned my Irish avatar and now you go off down some fantasy road spouting some disjointed nonsense.

Have a nice life. (That was sarcasm)

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 11:11:00 AM

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No one has defeated this virus any more than anyone has defeated the common cold.

Yes, that's right.

I mean, had they not fought the virus, and let's say with a 5% mortality rate (= collapsed healthcare system, as we are seeing everywhere) = circa 60 million dead only in China.

The numbers are obviously cooked (again, as everywhere, creative accounting or outright lies for reasons of prestige; perhaps we need a x3 or x5 or x10 to calculate the real number of victims), but it's still a victory if we think they could have lost 60 million people. Perspective. A victory in my book

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 11:36:57 AM

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I don't know who Stat whatever is ...

you mean ... seriously .., that you have never seen even one episode of the Muppet Show?

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 11:38:56 AM

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They obviously took the right measures by eliminating the ability for people to come into contact. Given the lack of any immunity it was probably the only way to fight it. Otherwise, as you said, millions would have died.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 2:51:17 PM

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Today's worldwide figures:

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 2:55:45 PM

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my point is I cited official figures from the Republic of Ireland (& that apply purely in the Republic). Now since they have a substantial degree of wider testing and contact tracing they probably are more accurate than those reported by many states - in effect they are capturing a lot more of the 'ill but not hospitalised' than say England.

The figures I have for Ireland are 12547 cases and 444 deaths. No recoveries. That's from the ECDC.

I'm open to credible evidence to the contrary, but no one has sourced any yet.

And no one's credentials are evidence of anything.

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 3:06:52 PM

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138,487/2,081,969 = 7%

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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus Part II - 4/16/2020 5:24:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: loki100

my point is I cited official figures from the Republic of Ireland (& that apply purely in the Republic). Now since they have a substantial degree of wider testing and contact tracing they probably are more accurate than those reported by many states - in effect they are capturing a lot more of the 'ill but not hospitalised' than say England.

The figures I have for Ireland are 12547 cases and 444 deaths. No recoveries. That's from the ECDC.

I'm open to credible evidence to the contrary, but no one has sourced any yet.

And no one's credentials are evidence of anything.

Aye, you're right, I apologise.

I mean heads of states, medics etc all know so much less than you and I'm sure you are 100% correct when you assert that no-one has recovered from Covid-19 in Ireland.

I realise that by your measure that is a 100% death rate so I'd have expected to have heard about given the usual level of interaction between Scotland and Ireland but I guess its just been overlooked?

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