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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/27/2020 3:49:36 PM   
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Meanwhile, the UK declares war on Sweden, bombing Stockholm with 10 carrier attacks and multiple tactical bombers. The army shatters, and paratroopers land in Stockholm. Now Germany's iron ore imports will be denied, and the northern flank of the Reich is wide exposed.

The USA is extremely displeased, but it is almost 1942 and their mobilization will accelerate.




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/27/2020 3:50:34 PM   
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In the far east, China is holding on for dear life as Japanese strategic bombers attempt to destroy all supply coming into Sian




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/27/2020 5:20:02 PM   
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December 1941: The axis take Sevastopol (probably should have put an army inside instead of a corp) but otherwise take their time to rest and repair. New armies are formed and take their place along the line




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/27/2020 5:20:28 PM   
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Without infantry units to rebuild, the USSR begins building tanks




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/27/2020 6:57:36 PM   
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January 1942:

I have an opportunity to strike at an overextended panzercorp just SW of Kursk. However, the terrain is muddy, and it would be difficult for my heavy tanks to make it out of the engagement alive. In addition, I should have infantry weapons level 2 next turn. I receive fresh corps and place them in my remaining gaps. The Germans will have a tough time cracking this line.




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More of the same in the North.

Elsewhere, the Japanese take most of SE asia, but do not attack the US navy at pearl harbor. With the US in the war, the western allies will soon be able to take the fight to the European mainland




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/27/2020 8:07:17 PM   
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Exploiting Axis' not invading Norway and further occupy (decapitate) the Scandinavian countries is sincerely an interesting move. German now have more trouble to deal with. The Allied air power is also impressive.

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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/28/2020 9:01:20 AM   
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This is an excellent AAR, thank you. If you could provide more info about these topics:
1. You didn't comment on this, but you "exported" AA unit from Malta and planted a garnison there. Did this AA went to France? Wasn't that an invitation for Axis to go for N Africa? Taking Malta would probably easier now, but maybe I overestimate its meaning. Not that Germany should go for Africa, just asking.
2. Defense of North Russia - generally it's advised for Germans to go south, your opponent of course knows it and pursues it, but some players may not. Some will go center, some will go north. That Riga - Daugavpils line seems to be so juicy to defend, that giving it for free hurts my feelings You left only a corps in Riga, Talinn empty... Is there any action BTW? Screens are from south/center.
3. UK really surprises me. Paratroopers, bilions of TAC bombers? Where did you get these MPP's? But more important, what was your research? I see your STR bomber is level 2, but on the other hand inf weapons are still lvl 1 for UK. Any points in industrial techs? ASW?
4. How was naval warfare in Atlantic? Judging by AAR, non existent, but maybe there was some action. I can't imagine letting uboat go wild, because any transports form US would have tough life.

Learning a lot from both of you, thanks.

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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/28/2020 12:41:33 PM   
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This is an excellent AAR, thank you. If you could provide more info about these topics:
1. You didn't comment on this, but you "exported" AA unit from Malta and planted a garnison there. Did this AA went to France? Wasn't that an invitation for Axis to go for N Africa? Taking Malta would probably easier now, but maybe I overestimate its meaning. Not that Germany should go for Africa, just asking.
2. Defense of North Russia - generally it's advised for Germans to go south, your opponent of course knows it and pursues it, but some players may not. Some will go center, some will go north. That Riga - Daugavpils line seems to be so juicy to defend, that giving it for free hurts my feelings You left only a corps in Riga, Talinn empty... Is there any action BTW? Screens are from south/center.
3. UK really surprises me. Paratroopers, bilions of TAC bombers? Where did you get these MPP's? But more important, what was your research? I see your STR bomber is level 2, but on the other hand inf weapons are still lvl 1 for UK. Any points in industrial techs? ASW?
4. How was naval warfare in Atlantic? Judging by AAR, non existent, but maybe there was some action. I can't imagine letting uboat go wild, because any transports form US would have tough life.

Learning a lot from both of you, thanks.


1. Yes the AA went to France, and after France fell was transported back to Malta. After the ability for HQs to boost each other even off 1 supply was buffed, Malta is no longer important except for national morale purposes.

2. In an earlier post I mentioned that I would have defended that line had Clausewitz not annexed Lithuania. However, as he had annexed it, it would have been much easier for him to surround and choke out the defenders of the line since he would have been extremely close and with high supply. He was pushing Leningrad with artillery and tanks, but backed off after I declared war on Sweden, as he is worried about my strategic bombers denying his ability to escape. He has not pushed into Estonia

3. I mentioned earlier that the UK should build all the TAC bombers they can around the fall of france, as there is a DE from the USA where the US sends a tac bomber to the UK, thereby increasing the UK's limit. Also two of those TACs are Indian. Research priority is:

Infantry weapons > advanced aircraft > ground attack > naval weapons (mostly for your carriers) > advanced tanks > heavy bomber > LR aircraft > spying and intel

Don't bother with ASW unless your opponent is going for a sub strategy. Nor do I bother with any industrial techs as the UK. The goal of the UK is to smack the Axis where it can for the first few years of the war. Focusing too much on "macro" techs such as production and industrial tech for the UK goes against my philosophy. The UK needs to be the biggest thorn in Germany's side as possible. If the UK player is too passive and just waiting to become an unstoppable wave, the USSR is more likely to fall. And the game is won and lost in the USSR.

As a side note, UK gets a pretty substantial boost when they finish researching naval weapons 2, as their carriers become much more deadly. The UK player should try to coincide a major attack with naval weapons 2 upgrade if possible. Just remember to set them to naval/tactical mode


4. Not much, Clausewitz did attack the ports in Australia for awhile though. All quiet on the Atlantic

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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/28/2020 3:59:51 PM   
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February 1942:

The USSR braces for a spring offensive




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/30/2020 12:01:00 AM   
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April 1942: This is situation at the start of the turn. Both targets are in low supply (5 or lower). Usually I don't go out of my way to destroy an axis corp, but by doing so I hopefully can draw some artillery fire away from the cities next turn






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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/30/2020 12:35:23 AM   
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The nice thing about strategic bombers is their versatility and long range. They can shut down supplies, destroy resources, reduce morale, and can sometimes even do damage. Here, the strategic bomber located in Sweden strikes a panzercorp right outside of Smolensk, then proceeds to damage Minsk.




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/30/2020 12:38:20 AM   
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More of the same in China: I strike multiple supply hubs to slow down the Japanese advance




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 4/30/2020 12:43:29 AM   
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After bombing a garrison in Denmark, a Polish corp lands in Denmark, thereby enabling Allied ships to enter the Baltic sea. Two German battleships, a destroyer, and a battle cruiser are destroyed.

On the eastern front, I suffer more losses than I would have liked, but most of the damage was absorbed by corps. Both targets are destroyed, and army group center will likely be hurting for supply next turn






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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 12:09:03 AM   
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May 1942. The axis have punched through and damaged Rokossovsky's HQ, destroying an army, a tank corp, an anti-air unit, and two corp. I survey the landscape and mark my primary targets (all having 5 or less supply). I know that the two panzercorp west of Kharkov have 5 supply because the army in Kharkov has 4 supply. While watching the replay, I also noted that one his panzers went down to 7 strength.




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 12:14:49 AM   
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Using attacks from a corp, an anti tank, a tactical bomber, and an armored train, the panzercorp north of Kharkov is destroyed.




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 12:21:24 AM   
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However, after moving forward an army and a corp, I find that neither of the other panzers have 7 strength. With this knowledge, and poor odds when considering the defensive artillery, I decide to take my victory and let the axis speartip bend itself a little more before I fully engage.




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 12:29:46 AM   
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I move a corp in position to swap with the army to pull it back from the front (as i dont want it adjacent to the axis due to the readiness bonus) and fill in my gaps with corps. I decide to isolate the german corp instead of destroying it as it would be too costly. My attack near Smolensk goes quite well, and my mechanized infantry ends up breaking through and attacking the Romanian HQ.




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 8:17:24 AM   
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Nice bloodbath I see you have AT units ,and at level one. Do they fare well? I usually refund this tech. Generally you seem to be in excellent shape, able to build new units.
Could you provide unit count for GER and USSR?

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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 11:45:05 AM   
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I used to refund the tech, but as it only gives back 62 MPP, I decided to keep it around. AT units are quite powerful at what they do, but I wouldn't build any until you can't build tanks, and I wouldn't build tanks until you've bought your discounted infantry (with the exception of getting an HQ and two heavy tanks before the Barbarossa if you can afford it)

I'll post a unit count when I get my turn back

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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 9:30:33 PM   
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Thanks for the AAR- learned quite abit, especially about defense of Russia

What would you do against a more challenging Axis defense of Tobruk- i.e. like the one you did against me- two Italian HQ surrounded by three Armies?
With two HQ's, one is unable to draw down supply below 5 even if the port is reduced to zero and the bomber knocks down the city to zero- the multiple HQs keep each other in better supply- I found it difficult to advance


"UK Research priority is:

Infantry weapons > advanced aircraft > ground attack > naval weapons (mostly for your carriers) > advanced tanks > heavy bomber > LR aircraft > spying and intel"

Where does infantry and armored warfare fit into to this?

Finally- Had the axis invaded Norway, would you still have attacked there with the UK? or how else would you have tried to have them hurt the Axis?

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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 10:53:48 PM   
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Thanks for the AAR- learned quite abit, especially about defense of Russia

What would you do against a more challenging Axis defense of Tobruk- i.e. like the one you did against me- two Italian HQ surrounded by three Armies?
With two HQ's, one is unable to draw down supply below 5 even if the port is reduced to zero and the bomber knocks down the city to zero- the multiple HQs keep each other in better supply- I found it difficult to advance


"UK Research priority is:

Infantry weapons > advanced aircraft > ground attack > naval weapons (mostly for your carriers) > advanced tanks > heavy bomber > LR aircraft > spying and intel"

Where does infantry and armored warfare fit into to this?

Finally- Had the axis invaded Norway, would you still have attacked there with the UK? or how else would you have tried to have them hurt the Axis?


Against the Italians, I would use battleships to attack the Italian army/corp along the coast to soften their morale, and chip away at them with my ground units. Meanwhile, use carrier's naval/tactical attack on the HQ outside of tobruk, tactical bombers, and strategic bombers (but keep bombing Tobruk with strategic bombers as well). The outside HQ will be unable to regenerate fast enough (limited to recovering 3 strength per turn) and either be

A) forced back to Benghazi, at which point you try to cut off the road to prevent a boost

or

B) swap with the HQ inside. Depending on which HQ has more command rating, the HQ inside Tobruk will be the booster rather than the boosted, resulting in lower supply to the frontline units.


-armored warfare probably comes at the end of that list, then infantry warfare after that.


If the axis had invaded Norway, then this would have been my preference order

A) Tunisia into Italy, then use Italy as an aircraft base against German minors in the Balkans. Italian NM is quite low, and this directly hurts axis MPPs
B) Norway anyway - taking a port and landing an HQ with other units is not too diffcult. Knock out the ports with battleships to prevent reinforcement. I wanted to get to Leningrad as he was attacking only from Finland.
C) Turkey into the Balkans, using Turkey as a strategic aircraft base to help support the southern USSR

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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 11:12:54 PM   
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June 1942: The axis are falling back from most positions. If the axis stop pushing in the USSR, that means it is very likely game over. Therefore, I will assume that he has finished researching advanced tanks level 3 and is waiting to upgrade, as well as waiting for heavy tanks. With that in mind, I plan to destroy what units I can without over committing




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 11:15:12 PM   
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Having strategically bombed Helsinki, bombarded and blocked the port, placed two adjacent ground units, and cut it off from all other sources of supply, Helsinki started this turn with 0 supply, making it easy to cut through. Finland surrenders, knocking out another axis minor




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I push forward from Smolensk and destroy a Hungarian army. In the south, I primarily use infantry to destroy a German army, corp, and artillery. I take this turn to upgrade my tanks.

At this point, barring something crazy happening, I think an allied victory is inevitable. I spend every US MPP on garrisons this turn, and plan to plant them all along the coast to protect myself against any potential crazy axis gambit




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/1/2020 11:21:16 PM   
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Current military sizes. Considering that the USSR has very few garrisons, the USSR and Germany are probably about tied.




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Current losses




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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/2/2020 7:15:22 PM   
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July 1942:

Smelling blood in the water, soviet forces advance, retaking Minsk and Wilno, as well as setting up positions along the southern parts of the Dnepier river. At the same time, UK forces from Estonia move down into Latvia and retake Riga. American reinforcements will soon be landing in the eastern front as well. With 20 armored corps (4 USSR heavy tanks, 5 USSR tanks, 4 UK tanks, and 7 US tanks) soon to be baying after Germany in a fantastic clamour, the end appears to be drawing near for the European axis powers.


(Note,: you can exceed the US tank limit if you buy all six tanks bdfore you get the marine tank in the pacific in 42



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RE: HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Clausewitzclausewitz (Axi... - 5/4/2020 2:39:00 PM   
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August 1942:

The Soviets reestablish a line at the Dneiper, and destroying/picking away at what units they can. If I see 1:1 odds at this point, I usually take them. Be careful not to outrun your own supply line, as scorched earth tactics by the axis will cause your liberated towns to not provide much in the way of supply.






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Seeing an HQ in range, I use my carriers naval/tactical mode to bombard it, inflicting at least 5 points of damage.




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