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Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/28/2020 11:53:50 PM

jason oates

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Hi everyone, Im playing the Kingdom Come scenario (again) and getting massacred by Rafale fighters using the Same Meteor missile as me. Doh!

The bit i don't get is that the DASS DECM remains inactive throughout the engagements which if active might give me a fighting chance of disrupting these missile inbound.
I guess that if turned on it might interfere with my own munitions but that has to better than have multi million � aircraft blown away.

Any help would be appreciated cause my morale is sinking against these Rafale fighters that should be an even match.

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/29/2020 5:51:32 AM

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Hi,

DECM equipment doesn't need to be activated by the player, it gets used automatically on weapon endgame calculations.

OECM systems (noise jammers) on the other hand must be explicitly activated.

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/29/2020 3:20:17 PM

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Thanks for that. Do you mean they activate when the enemy missile get to within a mile or so?
They need updating on my aircraft i think. There not working very well!

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/29/2020 4:38:19 PM

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"They are not working very well" is a bit vague...

DECM systems are not an automagic "I laugh at your missiles" kit. And you are being attacked by a bleeding-edge weapon.

There is more to BVR combat than simply hoping your DECM system will outwit the missile coming at you.

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/29/2020 5:05:43 PM

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Moving this to the "War Room" forum, perhaps someone can offer a refresher on BVR tactics.

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 5/1/2020 2:17:02 PM

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In short i think that the primary role of the DECM system is deny the lock or launch from the enemy planes or SAM. At the beginning of the engagement you turn on the DECM system to avoid a lock and launch until the enemy radar is able to "burn" the jammer and is capable to lock and launch you a missile, when this happen the DECM should be turn off to avoid HOJ.

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 8/3/2020 4:08:48 PM

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Sorry Dimitris My Irony was a little too subtle it seems.

"Not Working very well" was meant to be a reflection on my skills etc.
10 out of 10 for your diligence though.

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/13/2021 11:14:33 PM

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Hi,
If I may, that would then pose the follow up question, as to how to �turn on� the DECM.

Thoughts, as I for sure don�t know how to turn it on,. Yet one of the earlier replies indicated this happens automatically.

Hoping someone can clear this up a bit for me.

Thanks,
Mike

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/14/2021 7:35:13 AM

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Hi,
If I may, that would then pose the follow up question, as to how to �turn on� the DECM.

Thoughts, as I for sure don�t know how to turn it on,. Yet one of the earlier replies indicated this happens automatically.

Hoping someone can clear this up a bit for me.

Thanks,
Mike

DECMs on any unit will be automatically applied in the weapon hit calculation phase. The game handles DECMs on its own.

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/14/2021 1:28:44 PM

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In my experience in Command DECM generally cannot be relied upon to spoof an incoming missile. It's certainly better to have DECM than not have it, as it is an extra potential hurdle for the missile, but usually one that is easily jumped. If you check the weapon endgame logs, you'll see the DECM in action.

The exception is the scenario "Battle of Latakia," where the DECM on the Israeli boats is practically god-tier (in that specific scenario, anyway...I'm sure if you pitted them against more advanced ASMs the DECM wouldn't work as well). But if you want to see the potential power of DECM, that's a great scenario to check out (it is one of the standalone scenarios that comes with the base game).

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/17/2021 2:27:51 PM

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This was also discussed in this thread.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=5001844

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RE: Eurofighter DASS Defensive DECM not operating - 4/22/2021 7:42:45 PM

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In my experience in Command DECM generally cannot be relied upon to spoof an incoming missile. It's certainly better to have DECM than not have it, as it is an extra potential hurdle for the missile, but usually one that is easily jumped. If you check the weapon endgame logs, you'll see the DECM in action.

The exception is the scenario "Battle of Latakia," where the DECM on the Israeli boats is practically god-tier (in that specific scenario, anyway...I'm sure if you pitted them against more advanced ASMs the DECM wouldn't work as well). But if you want to see the potential power of DECM, that's a great scenario to check out (it is one of the standalone scenarios that comes with the base game).

I don't agree with this conclusion. ECM/DECM is all about matchups. The Latakia scenario works because ECM was new and the missiles being fired weren't prepared for that. That is real life right out of the "Boats of Cherbourg". DECM can have a insurmountable impact on older missiles or bad shots. Firing an AIM-120D at a Mig-23, and any DECM is going to be woefully outclassed. Fire an AIM-7D at an Su-35 and it pretty much won't have any impact on a good shot. I think this is very well reflected in CMO.

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