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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/17/2020 5:15:24 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/17/2020 5:17:46 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/17/2020 5:20:09 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/17/2020 5:21:34 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/17/2020 5:57:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is total war. It looked good for the Allies on impulse 1, but now even Italian MTN is doing blitzkrieg...

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/21/2020 8:31:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 2. Nov/Dec 1939. Allied #4.

No declarations of war.

Actions:
Combined: CW, US and Russia
Land: France and China

Portstrikes:
None

Naval Move:
Russia: BB Paris C. box 3 Black Sea
CW: BB fleet enters North Sea, box 3
and send out Conv protection to Cape St. Vincent
US, Transport picks up McArthur in Manilla
Reinforces Midway with division and FTR in transport outside Honolulu

Strategic bombardment:
None

Groundstrikes:
None

Railmovement.
France rails Bordeaux MIL to Paris
CW rails Manchester MIL to Portsmouth

Land Moves:
Russia, Communist China shuffles the line
China, Shuffle their lines as well




France retreats from Belgium and shuffle the line
CW withdraws from Belgium




Air base:
CW rebases a NAV to Plymouth
France rebases a FTR from Paris closer to line
US rebases FTR outside Honolulu

No reorg

Weather:
7 is rolled with +2 = 9


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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/23/2020 8:13:12 PM   
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Impulse #7 (Axis)

No declarations of war.

Land: Germany, Japan
Combined: Italy
Naval:

Germany play their second, and final, offensive on von Rundstedt.




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/23/2020 8:17:34 PM   
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Impulse #7 (Axis)

No port strikes. No naval air.

Naval Movement:
Italy:
SUB (La Spezia) -> Cape Verde Basin 1-box

The Italian SUB begin searching for the Allied shipping.




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/23/2020 8:22:19 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/23/2020 9:03:58 PM   
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Impulse #7 (Axis)

No strategic bombing.

Ground Strike:
LND2 -> Lodz
LND3 -> 54,31
LND3 (EXT) -> Vichy

France has two FTR2 that can reach the Northern ground strike, and one FTR2 that can reach the Southern ground strike.

Germany has 3 FTR2 , and one FTR3, that can counter-intercept the Northern hex. And none that reach the southern hex.




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 9:00:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		The FTR outside Paris intercepts the northern bombing. Stays until all bombers are gone or cleared. Return to Paris if applicable.

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 12:35:07 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 12:49:38 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 12:57:20 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 1:00:36 PM   
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Impulse #7 (Axis)

One of the defenders in the far North of the French line is hit.




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 1:03:17 PM   
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The low odds ground strike on the French MTN failed.




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 1:53:58 PM   
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Impulse #7 (Axis)

Rail Movement:

Germany:
INF (Danzig) -> La Spezia
MIL (Bremen) -> Aachen
MIL (Magdeburg) -> 51,44 (Poland)

Japan:
TERR Mukden -> Hangchow

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 1:56:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan wants to walk past the Chinese city Hengyan without taking the city. However, this is not possible to do. Not even by using <CTRL> move. Seems like a bug. I am taking a break to ponder on how to solve this.

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 5:59:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm

Japan wants to walk past the Chinese city Hengyan without taking the city. However, this is not possible to do. Not even by using <CTRL> move. Seems like a bug. I am taking a break to ponder on how to solve this.

Not a bug.
quote:

Control of a hex changes when:
An enemy land unit (except for partisans; see 13.1, and supply units; see 22.4.10) enters it (the major power entering with the most factors if more than one);

This is not optional. You walk through it, you take it.

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 6:53:54 PM   
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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 6:55:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay


quote:

ORIGINAL: Orm

Japan wants to walk past the Chinese city Hengyan without taking the city. However, this is not possible to do. Not even by using <CTRL> move. Seems like a bug. I am taking a break to ponder on how to solve this.

Not a bug.
quote:

Control of a hex changes when:
An enemy land unit (except for partisans; see 13.1, and supply units; see 22.4.10) enters it (the major power entering with the most factors if more than one);

This is not optional. You walk through it, you take it.

Ah. But we do not want to walk through it. We want to walk past it. In a another hex. See picture. We want to walk like the black arrow, put the program forces us to walk like the red arrows. Railway movement is on so I suspect that is an major issue for this bug.

Save is posted in the bug report created by peskpesk.




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 9:09:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting. Yes, that is a bug. You can see what MWiF is doing; it costs the same number of movement points either way to move into that first mountain hex, and it is capturing more territory for you. However, you don't want that territory. I have no idea how to fix this without using debugging tools.

Using debugging tolls, you could take the city, roll a 9 for US entry for no chit having been moved, and then us the debugging tool to change the city back to Chinese control. The only thing that this will affect is that the city will no longer provide supply for the Chinese for the rest of the turn.

This gives me one more reason to not like the railway movement bonus optional rule.

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 10:38:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay
This gives me one more reason to not like the railway movement bonus optional rule.
That gave me an idea and that's how one can get around it! I did by first turning off the railway movement bonus, making the move and then turning it back on. Took me less than 5-minutes and two edits (pre & post move) to the game file.





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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/24/2020 11:24:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		you could also have edited the unit's position to the mountain hex and then moved the remaining space vs fiddling with city rolls and control no?

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/25/2020 3:07:53 AM   
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you could also have edited the unit's position to the mountain hex and then moved the remaining space vs fiddling with city rolls and control no?
Or just edit the file to move the unit where you wanted and change hex control of the path you wanted the unit to take. That's also about a five minute edit.


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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/26/2020 11:07:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for all the suggestions on how to bypass this bug.

However, since they all include editing the save, we will continue as is and take the city in questions.

I am still in favour of doing as little editing of the save as possible.

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/26/2020 6:08:59 PM   
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Impulse #7 (Axis)

Land Moves:

Germany encircle Lodz, and Warsaw. In France the German divisions follow the retreating Allied forces.

Italy:
MOT 61, 32 -> 62, 31
MOT 60, 33 -> 60, 32

Japan:
WAR 71,142->Taiyuan
MOT DIV 71,139->71,136
CAV DIV 71,139->69,135
HQI 72,142->73,143

INF Div 82,138->82,137
WAR Nanking->Wuhan
INF 84,140->85,139
MAR DIV 86,141->88,140 (Not by Hengyang)
INF 85,141->86,142
INF 5-4->86,142 BY hex 87,142
HQI 83,142->84,143
MAR 84,146->Nanking
MIL Hangchow->Shanghai

MIL 91,137->89,138
HQI 92,139->90,139
ENG Pakhoi>90,139
ART 92,141->89,142

Japan was forced to capture Hengyang. One US entry chit added (2).

Land Combat:

Japan assaults Changsha on 36:7.

Japan also assaults Kweilin on 19:6. HQ support added. Possible air will be added later.

Germany, and Italy, attacks the Lyon militia in central France. Two of the German attackers are doubled. Current odds are 37:4 or automatic blitz.

Germany attacks hex 55,31. 6 of the German attackers are doubled. Two ARM are included so Germany select the combat table. Current odds are 97:11, or 8,82:1. Germany has the possibility to add HQ support, and ground support. France can provide defensive HQ support with Georges. Will France add any HQ support?




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/26/2020 6:46:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm

Nov/Dec '39
Impulse #7 (Axis)

Land Moves:

Germany encircle Lodz, and Warsaw. In France the German divisions follow the retreating Allied forces.

Italy:
MOT 61, 32 -> 62, 31
MOT 60, 33 -> 60, 32

Japan:
WAR 71,142->Taiyuan
MOT DIV 71,139->71,136
CAV DIV 71,139->69,135
HQI 72,142->73,143

INF Div 82,138->82,137
WAR Nanking->Wuhan
INF 84,140->85,139
MAR DIV 86,141->88,140 (Not by Hengyang)
INF 85,141->86,142
INF 5-4->86,142 BY hex 87,142
HQI 83,142->84,143
MAR 84,146->Nanking
MIL Hangchow->Shanghai

MIL 91,137->89,138
HQI 92,139->90,139
ENG Pakhoi>90,139
ART 92,141->89,142

Japan was forced to capture Hengyang. One US entry chit added (2).

Land Combat:

Japan assaults Changsha on 36:7.

Japan also assaults Kweilin on 19:6. HQ support added. Possible air will be added later.

Germany, and Italy, attacks the Lyon militia in central France. Two of the German attackers are doubled. Current odds are 37:4 or automatic blitz.

Germany attacks hex 55,31. 6 of the German attackers are doubled. Two ARM are included so Germany select the combat table. Current odds are 97:11, or 8,82:1. Germany has the possibility to add HQ support, and ground support. France can provide defensive HQ support with Georges. Will France add any HQ support?




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Germany attacks hex 55,31. 6 of the German attackers are doubled. Two ARM are included so Germany select the combat table. Current odds are 97:11, or 8,82:1. Germany has the possibility to add HQ support, and ground support. France can provide defensive HQ support with Georges. Will France add any HQ support?


No HQ support thank you.

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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/26/2020 7:19:11 PM   
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Yamamoto provides HQ support to the assault on Kweilin.

Japan provides 4 points of ground support to the attack on Kweilin with one LND2, and one NAV2.

Germany fly one 3 strength LND3, and one 3 strength FTR3, as ground support to the attack on hex 55,31. If one of the bombers clears the attack will be 7:1 and automatic. Will France use their FTR2 to intercept the bombers? Germany has two 5-strength FTR2 available.




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RE: The final countdown - En svensk uppgörelse - 6/26/2020 7:56:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		France intercepts the support with one FTR2. And Germany use one FTR2 for counter-interception.




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