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ORIGINAL: Jdane

Hellkyte, since if I'm not mistaken a unit only gets its supplies from a SHQ, the answer would be no.

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It is important to keep in mind that the Logistical Network only extends
itself over railroads or roads.
These roads have to connect one City or SHQ to another in order for them
to be in the same Logistical Network.
The Roads do not have to go directly to OHQs and Units since they have
Operational Logistics to pick up (or deliver) their supplies on a nearby Road Hex.

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ORIGINAL: Laiders

Obviously, the game cannot be switched to a pull system and it is not clear if flipping things would make anything better.

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ORIGINAL: Laiders
I build one truck station where two would be prudent and, it seems from posts in this thread, most players would build three.

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ORIGINAL: liq3

All this talk of truck station efficiency is interesting to me. 100 truck AP (TAP) goes 10 dirt roads before losing efficiency. You can boost that another 5 hexes with a supply base. My understanding is the LPs scale linearly from TAP to double TAP, and the supply base bonus doesn't help. So you're getting a small amount of LPs even at range 24. At 190/100 and 50/50 it should be 10%. This means with 1000 supply going down that route, you should be able to build another truck station in one turn (100 metal, I don't think workers use LP, and IP don't). Once it's setup, you can stop sending 1000 points down that way, since the new truck station is going to send it's own LP to meet half way.

So, a truck station every 8 range seems really excessive to me. You could also get even further with sealed roads. Rail also only costs 2 RAP, so it can go 5x as far.

I hadn't actually looked at rail lines, and now that I'm reading the rules for them they're very interesting. Even 10% LP when you don't have a complete station is plenty to get scouting parties or a small army going 50 hexes away from your city, to keep building more rail and build a new city down the line. RAP work the same as TAP too, so there's not much stopping going like 75 hexes long, though it'll take 5 turns to build the rail station with only 50 RPs at the end.

Also, you'd probably want it in a separate zone. A production asset 24 (or 50) hexes away from the city is going to cause some admin strain.

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ORIGINAL: Laiders

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ORIGINAL: liq3

All this talk of truck station efficiency is interesting to me. 100 truck AP (TAP) goes 10 dirt roads before losing efficiency. You can boost that another 5 hexes with a supply base. My understanding is the LPs scale linearly from TAP to double TAP, and the supply base bonus doesn't help. So you're getting a small amount of LPs even at range 24. At 190/100 and 50/50 it should be 10%. This means with 1000 supply going down that route, you should be able to build another truck station in one turn (100 metal, I don't think workers use LP, and IP don't). Once it's setup, you can stop sending 1000 points down that way, since the new truck station is going to send it's own LP to meet half way.

So, a truck station every 8 range seems really excessive to me. You could also get even further with sealed roads. Rail also only costs 2 RAP, so it can go 5x as far.

I hadn't actually looked at rail lines, and now that I'm reading the rules for them they're very interesting. Even 10% LP when you don't have a complete station is plenty to get scouting parties or a small army going 50 hexes away from your city, to keep building more rail and build a new city down the line. RAP work the same as TAP too, so there's not much stopping going like 75 hexes long, though it'll take 5 turns to build the rail station with only 50 RPs at the end.

Also, you'd probably want it in a separate zone. A production asset 24 (or 50) hexes away from the city is going to cause some admin strain.

This would concur directly with my own practical experiences. Both my substantial Siwa games have required organising long-distance logistics from a large but fixed LP base in my capital. It is pretty trivial to do really, though it does require some annoying traffic light fiddling. A truck station in every populated zone is a good rule of thumb for redundancy but it is not strictly necessary and it is wasteful of resources and workers. You can easily push supply a very, very long way if you want to using one or two L2 truck stations and well set up sealed roads.

Cornuthaum, I'm feeling worker pinch too now and will probably start trying to aggressively optimise for worker efficiency. I guess farms are less efficient than hydro for workers, though hydroponics are much less pretty, so I could start there.

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Cornuthaum, I'm feeling worker pinch too now and will probably start trying to aggressively optimise for worker efficiency. I guess farms are less efficient than hydro for workers, though hydroponics are much less pretty, so I could start there.

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ORIGINAL: liq3

All this talk of truck station efficiency is interesting to me. 100 truck AP (TAP) goes 10 dirt roads before losing efficiency. You can boost that another 5 hexes with a supply base. My understanding is the LPs scale linearly from TAP to double TAP, and the supply base bonus doesn't help. So you're getting a small amount of LPs even at range 24. At 190/100 and 50/50 it should be 10%. This means with 1000 supply going down that route, you should be able to build another truck station in one turn (100 metal, I don't think workers use LP, and IP don't). Once it's setup, you can stop sending 1000 points down that way, since the new truck station is going to send it's own LP to meet half way.

So, a truck station every 8 range seems really excessive to me. You could also get even further with sealed roads. Rail also only costs 2 RAP, so it can go 5x as far.

I hadn't actually looked at rail lines, and now that I'm reading the rules for them they're very interesting. Even 10% LP when you don't have a complete station is plenty to get scouting parties or a small army going 50 hexes away from your city, to keep building more rail and build a new city down the line. RAP work the same as TAP too, so there's not much stopping going like 75 hexes long, though it'll take 5 turns to build the rail station with only 50 RPs at the end.

Also, you'd probably want it in a separate zone. A production asset 24 (or 50) hexes away from the city is going to cause some admin strain.

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ORIGINAL: GodwinW

You can upgrade Supply Stations, so you can get 20 hexes base distance (10 + 10) on dirt roads. Make it a sealed road if you run into issues and the trucks go 40 hexes distance. That's some serious length imo.

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ORIGINAL: Laiders

The unit card numbers for the militia are 12 and 4 respectively but I don't know if that really equates to 1,600 men requiring supply.

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The value on each counter is the total of the subunits modified for readiness of all units in the hex.

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ORIGINAL: Laiders
Umm... Herzkau are a full-blown major on parity with me.

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ORIGINAL: Cornuthaum

the problem for me is less logistics in general, but worker-efficiency; I find myself ridiculosuly starved for workers at all times and truck logistics are basically the worst consumers once you move away from farms into hydroponics. I've been experimenting with rail but even rail station II or III everywhere isn't enough, since you still need truck stations to push LP out from the railstations/railheads

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ORIGINAL: Jdane

I was passing by and saw this. According to Vic (source):

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The value on each counter is the total of the subunits modified for readiness of all units in the hex.

Granted, he was talking about the values seen in the History recap, but I think we can deduce from this that your assumption was generally correct.

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ORIGINAL: hellcat23

I'm on my 6th game and apart from the first 2 where I really had to struggle with the logistics supply issue I have got it down to some simple rules of thumb that really make it so I don't even have to check the bottleneck and other overlays very often. I hope these tips help.

Nationalise any Truck hubs as soon as you can afford it so as to take control.

Put down sealed roads everywhere when you can. This is game changer. This includes to production sites even if they are a few hexes.

Only build roads where you have to, but do build roads to the front line.

Upgrade your Truck stations to level 2 in each city zone. Only go level 3 if problems develop.

Build rail between all your cities and stations in each city. Only upgrade the stations when you need to.

If you build rail to a non city then build a rail head at the end of the line. (Say to the front line) - But I don't do this very much.

Black and red lines on bottlenecks can be fixed with upgrading city truck or rail stations, it's rarely needed to put truck stops elsewhere but you definitely don't need to spam non city truck stops or supply bases.

Keep an eye on units going yellow or red - they are either too far from supply (extend roads or move units back into supply)

Close of roads with no activity with Traffic signs - but I don't use this much.

Doing this I've been having SHQ first 3 supply settings 100% in the green.