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How do Military Trucks and APCs work? - 7/9/2020 4:05:26 AM

Daza99

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When clicking on either of these, the info about the unit shows "Carry 5". I know Stack numbers in the game are not literal at times, like 100 units is actually 10,000 troops if i am not mistaken? so with the Carry 5 does this mean it can carry 50 infantry or only 5? and i would think an APC should be able to carry at least 15 and a truck 20 or so, 5 seems too few.

So when these units are moved, and combat starts do they add to the pool of infantry in combat? are the units already with the transport unit when created?

We have Strategic Move option to move across your log. network as if using trucks already, so do not understand what Truck units are for? APCs perhaps offering Armor can have some protection in an Ambush perhaps for its occupants?

While on topic of Strategic Move, i read somewhere you can use this and then move your troops at destination, but i find all their AP are used up. So maybe its the other way round? move them until AP is expended then use Strategic Move?

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RE: How do Military Trucks and APCs work? - 7/9/2020 4:52:32 AM

lloydster4

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Trucks carry 10 infantry or 1 artillery each. APCs carry 10 infantry each. Both the unit and the transport are involved in combat. When you raise the formation, it will build both the transport and the unit itself. For example, a 1000 strength motorized infantry would contain 10 infantry subunits (100 men each) and 10 truck subunits (10 trucks each). APC's fight at the front lines. Trucks hang out in the back, so they can't get attacked unless an enemy breaks through.

You can move a unit, then strat move it. But you can't strat move it and then move it.

I rarely use trucks due to the high manpower cost, but imo APC's are worth it because they WRECK soft targets. Putting artillery on trucks can be pretty useful though.

Trucks are sometimes better than strategic movement. One, the logistics cost of strategic movement can get pretty high. Two, if the units are on trucks, then they can move -> attack in the same turn.

That's probably too much information, but I hope some of it helps. Best thing to do is experiment yourself.

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RE: How do Military Trucks and APCs work? - 7/9/2020 5:29:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: lloydster4

Trucks carry 10 infantry or 1 artillery each. APCs carry 10 infantry each. Both the unit and the transport are involved in combat. When you raise the formation, it will build both the transport and the unit itself. For example, a 1000 strength motorized infantry would contain 10 infantry subunits (100 men each) and 10 truck subunits (10 trucks each). APC's fight at the front lines. Trucks hang out in the back, so they can't get attacked unless an enemy breaks through.

You can move a unit, then strat move it. But you can't strat move it and then move it.

I rarely use trucks due to the high manpower cost, but imo APC's are worth it because they WRECK soft targets. Putting artillery on trucks can be pretty useful though.

Trucks are sometimes better than strategic movement. One, the logistics cost of strategic movement can get pretty high. Two, if the units are on trucks, then they can move -> attack in the same turn.

That's probably too much information, but I hope some of it helps. Best thing to do is experiment yourself.

No that wasn't too much information. I am making mind map of gameplay info as i learn more to help keep track. And now i also understand what subunit means too, i've seen it mentioned in other posts.

So when you say "Put artillery on trucks" this is when you group move 2 units together which one is trucks? BUT if i have some infantry units and truck units, it can't be said the infantry ride on the trucks in group move? because the trucks already come with subunits? as you said 10 troops per truck.

I have another question about unit counters but i think it needs its own post.

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RE: How do Military Trucks and APCs work? - 7/9/2020 8:03:25 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daza99

quote:

ORIGINAL: lloydster4

Trucks carry 10 infantry or 1 artillery each. APCs carry 10 infantry each. Both the unit and the transport are involved in combat. When you raise the formation, it will build both the transport and the unit itself. For example, a 1000 strength motorized infantry would contain 10 infantry subunits (100 men each) and 10 truck subunits (10 trucks each). APC's fight at the front lines. Trucks hang out in the back, so they can't get attacked unless an enemy breaks through.

You can move a unit, then strat move it. But you can't strat move it and then move it.

I rarely use trucks due to the high manpower cost, but imo APC's are worth it because they WRECK soft targets. Putting artillery on trucks can be pretty useful though.

Trucks are sometimes better than strategic movement. One, the logistics cost of strategic movement can get pretty high. Two, if the units are on trucks, then they can move -> attack in the same turn.

That's probably too much information, but I hope some of it helps. Best thing to do is experiment yourself.

So when you say "Put artillery on trucks" this is when you group move 2 units together which one is trucks?

Afraid not, no. It's possible to create formations of motorized artillery that automatically include truck subunits alongside the artillery to tow them, but two different counters don't have any effect on each other for movement purposes. Group move has no effect on overall mobility, it's purely a convenience if you want every unit in a hex to move to the same place, and is no different from moving each counter individually to the same hex.

For what it's worth, you generally don't really need to know what the carry capacity of trucks are. The important thing is that when you raise a motorized/mechanized formation, the counters will have enough trucks/APCs to carry the rest of the unit and give them that much more mobility. Hypothetically if you got into a battle where you lost a lot of trucks/APCs without losing quite as many of the infantry/artillery you might get into a situation where you temporarily can't carry the entire unit until you get reinforcement trucks and the unit essentially becomes foot infantry, but that's rare.

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RE: How do Military Trucks and APCs work? - 7/11/2020 8:55:49 PM

Zyphtan

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It is a one to one count for subunits so one truck is 1 infantry or 1 arty. I have never see that carry 5 don't usually look at trucks much but 1 subunit of infantry or 100 recruits is 5 logistics points.

Trucks also carry heavier stuff first as well if say you got arty and infantry, they will move the arty first letting the whole unit move a bit faster then if it just carried the infantry.

Units also lose readiness when moving. Infantry lose alot don't remember how much but moving far can bring there readiness quite low. Tanks barely lose any. Motorized and mechanized infantry are not only faster but keep more of their readiness.

Depending on the world or terrain it might be a good idea to use them or not. I have one world a sand world with dunes everywhere. Motorized are pretty much useless they get a big movement penalty and use alot of fuel.

APC shred soft targets and are pretty nice to move your units around and have a punch, they also fight at the front lines so can take so losses but over all if you have any trucks/apc then you are still a bit faster as they carry some of the units.

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