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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 2:53:24 AM

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Natural gas, water, and sewage is underground. Here the electric, telephone landline, and cable is above ground. In the country, the fibre optic cables are underground but the power lines are above ground.

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 2:55:33 AM

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He was clearing a parking lot and literally scooped up a VW bug and dropped it in a dump truck.

Yeah, its why I didn't see my car for about a week. I was in a long two lane lot between the gym and our PX annex across from the company parking lot. All the cars were covered with snow and the plow drivers would not go in for fear of hitting a car. So you had to wait until the first car got dug out by its owner, to get to the second, and so on 'til yours came up.

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 3:00:33 AM

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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States

Problem here is that our water table on LI is too high and that adds a whole other set of trouble. Heck, if you dig down four feet in my backyard, your in water. No built in pool for me.

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 8:41:37 AM

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Back 60 years ago I don't recall anything on the news about hurricanes going as far north as New York. That seemed to start about twenty years ago - or maybe that is just TV news shows getting more extensive airing?
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It's not unusual for the remnants of them to get to New York. The Carolina's stick out and as they sweep up from Florida the usually make landfall in North or South Carolina and that usually knocks them down to a tropical storm, which is what happened here. This one moved faster than most and had high winds for only a couple of hours but it was enough. I'm on Long Island which is mostly just a giant sand bar so the shore line faces right into these things. The same corrupt power company continues to fail to trim trees and provide a good response to these things. They will apologize, their will be an investigation, fault will be found, the State will make them reform, the will change their name (Lilco, LIPA and now PSE&G), the will keep the same management , in the same buildings, and it will all happen again. Gloria was the worst, came right over the middle of the island like a 300 mile wide tornado, Sandy was bad and now this. Problem is it used to be rural (North Shore where I live is still fairly rural) but now its think suburbs and they never put the wires under ground. So this will continue to happen. Yes, we are getting more of these and they are getting bigger and it rarely snows much anymore so the climate has changed quite a bit in the last 30 years or so. We are now in a different agriculture zone and the bird migrations oar are a bit different. We get some species from further south and many northern species stopped migrating completely. We also get some arctic waterfowl that stay here because the water rarely freezes over

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 8:47:55 AM

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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States

Problem here is that our water table on LI is too high and that adds a whole other set of trouble. Heck, if you dig down four feet in my backyard, your in water. No built in pool for me.

I'm way up on the North Shore which is exactly where the last glaciers stopped. So we are all rocks and gravel. I put a shovel in the ground I hit a rock. That's why there were never any farms on the north shore right up to Port Jeff. You can't clear the ground to even make a decent field. Just rocks and trees. My fired is down in Bluepoint and he is just sand. They can sink a telephone-pole with 2 guys and a shovel, here you need to drill. It's so strange. the glacial moraine is only a couple of miles wide. 2 miles south it is just sand

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 8:50:59 AM

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Natural gas, water, and sewage is underground. Here the electric, telephone landline, and cable is above ground. In the country, the fibre optic cables are underground but the power lines are above ground.

It used to be much more rural here. Turned into the suburbs in the last 50 years. it never made sense to put the lines underground but now it does. It's expensive but if they did 5% a year we would be done in 20 years. Sometimes I believe we have stopped thinking about the next generation and only do what immediately gratifies. I think it is time to fire up the WPA again

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 2:32:23 PM

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Even just have a thread with trees and such. Or post them on someone else's AAR.

Oh trees I got......Here is a 200+ year old 6 foot diameter Oak tree that took out my power for a good part of last week. The tree crews say they need to get one of those "west of the Mississippi" chain saws to start cutting this one up. This is a thick tree. Could make some beautiful cabinets out of it. Trees and power lines were down all over the place. Still lots of folks with their power out. Mostly large old oak , maple and walnut. All good hardwood. Time to start working on the winter woodpile

You mean... lifetime lumber pile?

Are you going to have this one cut up for lumber or anything like that? You mentioned cabinets...

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 2:35:53 PM

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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States in older neighborhoods? That's one thing they've done well over time here. First it was "city gas," meaning LPG piped to your home, in the 90s, then they started ripping up city streets (which would be considered alleys in the U.S.) and putting electrical and internet cables underground. I think they are pretty far along in that project as you don't see too many concrete telephone poles around town any more.

In the last 15 years I've experienced three power outages for no more than thirty minutes each. One was about a month ago and I think it had something to do with some digging near my apartment complex. Based on lights I could see, it was very localized.

Cheers,
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I asked this once, way back when facebook was... different. When it was limited to just students. Anyway, someone I knew who turned out to be an engineer told me why we don't just have everything underground: it's more expensive to install and more expensive to fix when something goes wrong. So basically it only makes sense in fairly dense urban areas or other places where you might already have easier access to the underground conduits (e.g., it's running through buildings or large storm sewers or subway lines, etc.).

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 2:54:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States in older neighborhoods? That's one thing they've done well over time here. First it was "city gas," meaning LPG piped to your home, in the 90s, then they started ripping up city streets (which would be considered alleys in the U.S.) and putting electrical and internet cables underground. I think they are pretty far along in that project as you don't see too many concrete telephone poles around town any more.

In the last 15 years I've experienced three power outages for no more than thirty minutes each. One was about a month ago and I think it had something to do with some digging near my apartment complex. Based on lights I could see, it was very localized.

Cheers,
CB

I asked this once, way back when facebook was... different. When it was limited to just students. Anyway, someone I knew who turned out to be an engineer told me why we don't just have everything underground: it's more expensive to install and more expensive to fix when something goes wrong. So basically it only makes sense in fairly dense urban areas or other places where you might already have easier access to the underground conduits (e.g., it's running through buildings or large storm sewers or subway lines, etc.).

Especially when just inches underground it is granite bedrock.

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 4:32:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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Even just have a thread with trees and such. Or post them on someone else's AAR.

Oh trees I got......Here is a 200+ year old 6 foot diameter Oak tree that took out my power for a good part of last week. The tree crews say they need to get one of those "west of the Mississippi" chain saws to start cutting this one up. This is a thick tree. Could make some beautiful cabinets out of it. Trees and power lines were down all over the place. Still lots of folks with their power out. Mostly large old oak , maple and walnut. All good hardwood. Time to start working on the winter woodpile

You mean... lifetime lumber pile?

Are you going to have this one cut up for lumber or anything like that? You mentioned cabinets...

No, I'm good, This one, thankfully, is not on my property. I think my Village is on the hook for removing it. They cleared every other street but I don't think they have the equipment for this one. I am sitting next to the window waiting for whatever crew is going to take this one away. I wouldn't know where to start but I really want to see a cross section and try and count the rings. My current wood pile is fine. I have about half a cord that is now at the "use it or lose it" stage so I'll just top it off with some east stuff from around the neighborhood.

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 4:44:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Even just have a thread with trees and such. Or post them on someone else's AAR.

Oh trees I got......Here is a 200+ year old 6 foot diameter Oak tree that took out my power for a good part of last week. The tree crews say they need to get one of those "west of the Mississippi" chain saws to start cutting this one up. This is a thick tree. Could make some beautiful cabinets out of it. Trees and power lines were down all over the place. Still lots of folks with their power out. Mostly large old oak , maple and walnut. All good hardwood. Time to start working on the winter woodpile

You mean... lifetime lumber pile?

Are you going to have this one cut up for lumber or anything like that? You mentioned cabinets...

No, I'm good, This one, thankfully, is not on my property. I think my Village is on the hook for removing it. They cleared every other street but I don't think they have the equipment for this one. I am sitting next to the window waiting for whatever crew is going to take this one away. I wouldn't know where to start but I really want to see a cross section and try and count the rings. My current wood pile is fine. I have about half a cord that is now at the "use it or lose it" stage so I'll just top it off with some east stuff from around the neighborhood.

I know how to make it smaller. I could even make the stuff to do it with. Of course, it would be a loud

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 4:50:11 PM

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South shore of Long Island has some of the most magnificent beaches in the country. The North Shore, not so much. 1st off we are on a Sound so there are no waves. 2nd of all, the beach is all rocks. Small rocks inter-dispersed with medium sized rocks with plenty of large rocks and then a collection of some house sized boulders that are called "glacial erratics" I can walk to the water on the North Shore but if I want to go to the beach I just
drive south. This is no fun on the feet.

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/11/2020 6:23:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

Are there plans to put electrical and other wires underground in the States in older neighborhoods? That's one thing they've done well over time here. First it was "city gas," meaning LPG piped to your home, in the 90s, then they started ripping up city streets (which would be considered alleys in the U.S.) and putting electrical and internet cables underground. I think they are pretty far along in that project as you don't see too many concrete telephone poles around town any more.

In the last 15 years I've experienced three power outages for no more than thirty minutes each. One was about a month ago and I think it had something to do with some digging near my apartment complex. Based on lights I could see, it was very localized.

Cheers,
CB

I asked this once, way back when facebook was... different. When it was limited to just students. Anyway, someone I knew who turned out to be an engineer told me why we don't just have everything underground: it's more expensive to install and more expensive to fix when something goes wrong. So basically it only makes sense in fairly dense urban areas or other places where you might already have easier access to the underground conduits (e.g., it's running through buildings or large storm sewers or subway lines, etc.).

Especially when just inches underground it is granite bedrock.

Where I grew up in Northern Manitoba the glaciers scraped all the ridges clean of dirt and left it in the valleys, so the town had half its houses on the bedrock and half down in the valleys. The water and sewer lines passed over the rocks in wooden tunnels about three feet square in cross section, insulated with wood chips to prevent freezing. We used to tell tourists that we used them to crawl between houses in the winter when the snow was too deep.

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RE: Canoerebel is alive and well - 8/12/2020 1:14:44 AM

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The placement of power, telco, fiber lines is a bit interesting. When I lived in London it seemed like it was mostly underground. But were smart in that one could just lift the slabs off sidewalks to get access (no jackhammers or pouring new cement required).In high water table areas this would not likely work. But protects the lines nicely and makes the amount of damage much smaller. When the remnants of the last hurricane came through a few days ago the power was going on and off every few min. Didn't stay off long enough for the generator to kick in, though Orange and Rockland kept sending me messages that my power was out and they were looking into it. They are a twin to PSE&G JD.

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