Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

No no no. Deliver some sushi to a gulag. You know the inmates will appreciate the delivery. Just make sure this time it is a scheduled delivery with all the trimmings (soy sauce, wasabi etc) rather than a quick drop off from the stern.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Mundy

I've never been a fan of the "Bomb Manila" approach.

Even if you kill a bunch, the Allies are still rolling in subs by 1943. Drops in the ocean, it seems to me.

Wreck as much as you can at Pearl.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Haven't fleshed out the numbers yet, but basic r&d looks like this (I have to move some around because I overshot I think). Shinden is an obvious choice to gain r&d for models arriving earlier, could cut back a bit on the FB too.

Emphasis on getting Sam, Frank and A6M8 early. Probably go A6M2 to A6M3a to A6M8. In this game the Tojo IIa arrives in 9/42, need it sooner, and it uses the Ha34.

Late war is Shinden and Ki94. Plan to move finished r&d to Ki94, maybe Grace????

Judy early. No rules means no problem flying the Judy 4.

NF: Zero to resize groups. Primary if we get that far will be Frances, and I would like the Peggy D. Got scrounge up two more factories.

Don't even try to talk me into Tony, they suck and super suck in stock.

George and Jack: I like them both and will put something into them, but not much. More into George than Jack. But the A6M8 will act like a very early George I hope.

As much as I can in Frances and Peggy T, especially Peggy T. Lilly DB one.

No Helen, Sally, maybe 1 Dinah NF, No patrols, no recon,

I would love to find space for Grace instead of Jill...but Grace really needs 5 times the r&d of Jill. But I like the Judy 4 better than both of them tbh. I need to think on Grace a bit...talking myself into her. Uh oh. Better stop now.





Plane r&d

12 Sam
10 Frank
10 Rufe

10 Shinden
5 Ki 94

10 Tojo IIa

5 Nick A
5 Randy FB

10 Judy
1 Jill

2 Irving S
2 Nick D
2 Frances S
1 A6M S

? Frances
? Peggy T Can I get to 5 somehow?
1 Lilly DB

To go along with this plane r&d we will be accelerating our carriers somewhat ridiculously at the cost of subs and battleships. I think I am going to have to expand naval factories to do it, as there are quite a few additional ships in the build que.

What do you guys think?

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ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak


Lacking late-game experience, this is more helpful for me than anything I could provide back to you. I am curious - what attribute(s) place the Sam so far above the later George models?

Would you consider using the Shinden R&D to boost something sooner (like the Tojo), then switch to shinden later? I'm sure there are excellent reasons (supplies) not to do so. More curious, since the R&D would theoretically be sitting at 0(30) for the first two years.

I'm 100% with you on the D4, and have an unsubstantiated belief that it's better to have both torps and DBs in an attack.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Having done the R&D for the Rufe, I decide to look at what starts...one squadron on a very serious AMC...an AndyMac Q ship. Oh my.

I knew she was here, having run into her in my other game.

Obviously, this squadron needs to get to a CS and be resized, where this early will make potent added aerial defense for the mini kb that normally prowls the SRA.

She starts in the Marshalls and is loaded with troops for the Wake Invasion.






A really super impressive ship. What was Andy thinking?

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

So, then the next plane I want asap is Tojo IIa. So I cherry pick those r&d facilities with supply. Tojo IIa comes in 9/42, which is so long away. I need 10 factories here too. Argh, I generally never put more than 5 in her.

Well, that means once I get the Tojo IIc (if I go for it which is most likely) it will free up r&d for the final generation fighters.

I also need to crank up the Ha 34 engines to get the 500 engine bonus....when the first factory reaches fully repaired.

I would like to make 150(?) a month normally, and...so I am thinking of having one big factory at 150, and letting the other 9 jump into the IIc and then something else. Since I am not going Oscar at all, I bet I will need 220 minimum, and if I am going 220, maybe I should go 300 right off the bat?

The fighter will be the primary Army fighter till June/July of 1943 when the Frank A comes, but it will always be useful if not optimal.

So, since this is scenario 2...I am thinking one size 300, 9 size 30 plus engine bonus. I might get the fighter 5 months early maybe?

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Once you get the Tojo in, you can expand the factory more as needed. You can also switch some of those small production facilities to another aircraft such as the Tojo. But once you get the Frank, are you going to need to produce the Tojo? If not, more but smaller factories since switching them to another air frame will take less time.

As far as the Oscar goes, once the Zero line leaves the Ha-35 engine, then what will you do with those engine factories? If nothing else, the later marks of the Oscar may then be usable but not necessarily researched heavily, if at all. Or do you research the kamikaze planes.

Which is better, the Tojo IIc or the Ki-100 Tonies? The later Tonies have all cannons and an SR of 1 which is nice for a daily air frame. So if you end up ditching the Tojo for the later Tonies, then what happens to a super large Ha-34 engine factory? It will take a long time to switch it to another engine.

The reason why I am asking is because I have never gone that far into the game on either side and I would like to learn. Then maybe, if I get a better computer and the felines let me, I may try PBEM games.

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So what if an engine factory become relatively worthless at the end game, if it gets you to the endgame?

It is very difficult to prevent Honshu from being strategically bombed in 1944. And unlike most AFBs, Lok knows what to bomb and at 2k feet.

You are ready for pbem, start a game already.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Once you get the Tojo in, you can expand the factory more as needed. You can also switch some of those small production facilities to another aircraft such as the Tojo. But once you get the Frank, are you going to need to produce the Tojo? If not, more but smaller factories since switching them to another air frame will take less time.

As far as the Oscar goes, once the Zero line leaves the Ha-35 engine, then what will you do with those engine factories? If nothing else, the later marks of the Oscar may then be usable but not necessarily researched heavily, if at all. Or do you research the kamikaze planes.

Which is better, the Tojo IIc or the Ki-100 Tonies? The later Tonies have all cannons and an SR of 1 which is nice for a daily air frame. So if you end up ditching the Tojo for the later Tonies, then what happens to a super large Ha-34 engine factory? It will take a long time to switch it to another engine.

The reason why I am asking is because I have never gone that far into the game on either side and I would like to learn. Then maybe, if I get a better computer and the felines let me, I may try PBEM games.

Nope, Tojo factory really needs to start max production...what that will be not certain yet, but surely in the 220 to 300 range. In fact all r&d planes need to start at near to their final production numbers.

Tojo is important even with Frank. In a defensive setting multiple frames act synergistically if you set them correctly. Low layer cap in 1943 would be A6M8 down low, next layer Tojo IIc, and top layer Frank A. What I miss is a longer range fighter escort Frank can get only 10 hexes and I have to wait till mid 43 for it. I am thinking in throwing out all the rules and using George as my bomber escort.

I would take Tojo IIc over Tony, especially in stock. IIc is a more versatile plane, and better everywhere, except for deep defense 4E interception...but that is what FB are for when the Tony arrives. Tony is almost worthless. Absolutely nothing anybody says can change my mind on the Tony...I have used them both in stock and in Symons mod.

So what if an engine factory become relatively worthless at the end game, if it gets you to the endgame?

It is very difficult to prevent Honshu from being strategically bombed in 1944. And unlike most AFBs, Lok knows what to bomb and at 2k feet.

You are ready for pbem, start a game already.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Plane r&d

12 Sam
10 Frank
10 Rufe

10 Shinden
5 Ki 94

10 Tojo IIa

5 Nick A
5 Randy FB

10 Judy
1 Jill

2 Irving S
2 Nick D
2 Frances S
1 A6M S

? Frances
? Peggy T Can I get to 5 somehow?
1 Lilly DB

To go along with this plane r&d we will be accelerating our carriers somewhat ridiculously at the cost of subs and battleships. I think I am going to have to expand naval factories to do it, as there are quite a few additional ships in the build que.

What do you guys think?

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Plane r&d

12 Sam
10 Frank
10 Rufe

10 Shinden
5 Ki 94

10 Tojo IIa

5 Nick A
5 Randy FB

10 Judy
1 Jill

2 Irving S
2 Nick D
2 Frances S
1 A6M S

? Frances
? Peggy T Can I get to 5 somehow?
1 Lilly DB

To go along with this plane r&d we will be accelerating our carriers somewhat ridiculously at the cost of subs and battleships. I think I am going to have to expand naval factories to do it, as there are quite a few additional ships in the build que.

What do you guys think?

I'd cut the Rufe down a bit. 10 seems excessive. 5 will get you the A6M5c in early '43, which is plenty early for your purposes.

Ditch the Tojo - you know my views on that airframe. Bite the bullet, you can hold the line with the Zero, Oscar and Nick till the George/Jack bolsters out the air war.

The fighter model of the Randy is worth considering if you're stacking for a late-war game.

5 on the Nick A is overkill - it arrives fairly early and the subsequent models are not any sort of improvement.

10 on the Judy is also overkill, you'll be able to get the Y1 model repair and progressing the Y4 model fairly early in the game.

You also need the Grace - while the Judy 4 is better in the dive bomber role, the Grace is massively better in the torpedo bomber role than the Jill. The extra speed matters.

I think you can drop the Zero NF if you're doing the Irving and the Frances.

Frances and Peggy I both like. You can get away with skimping on the Lily DB as it arrives early enough.

While I agree you can cut out the patrols, I'd definitely consider trying to move the Myrt recon forward. The Judy-C arrives at a good date and is a yeoman-like recon airframe, but the Myrt is a different beast with that 29 hex range.

No Patsy?

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

So, then the next plane I want asap is Tojo IIa. So I cherry pick those r&d facilities with supply. Tojo IIa comes in 9/42, which is so long away. I need 10 factories here too. Argh, I generally never put more than 5 in her.

Well, that means once I get the Tojo IIc (if I go for it which is most likely) it will free up r&d for the final generation fighters.

I also need to crank up the Ha 34 engines to get the 500 engine bonus....when the first factory reaches fully repaired.

I would like to make 150(?) a month normally, and...so I am thinking of having one big factory at 150, and letting the other 9 jump into the IIc and then something else. Since I am not going Oscar at all, I bet I will need 220 minimum, and if I am going 220, maybe I should go 300 right off the bat?

The fighter will be the primary Army fighter till June/July of 1943 when the Frank A comes, but it will always be useful if not optimal.

So, since this is scenario 2...I am thinking one size 300, 9 size 30 plus engine bonus. I might get the fighter 5 months early maybe?