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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 2:29:35 PM   
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End of the Japanese Amphibious bonus is here....

ok, you AFBs -- how have I done weathering the storm? Are the Allies in good shape, or will the other shoe drop?

I have learned a lot...lots of optimizations I missed.


Maybe but maybe not. If you missed an optimization, then that set up other ones. If you would have done something different, then your opponent would then have done something different so the game would not be the same. Maybe your opponent would have done something and managed to hurt you more or you may have been able to hurt him more. But that would be for another game . . .

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 5:01:25 PM   
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End of the Japanese Amphibious bonus is here....



At the risk of sounding uninformed, I can say that I'm not sure when the Japanese Amphibious bonus really ends. I thought it was 31 Mar 42. But in my current game, I performed a landing in early April 42 and did not incur the high disruption that I expected for being completely unprepped for the target. Unloading was very fast using merchant shipping. I changed my theory, and thought that maybe the bonus lasted until 7 Apr 42, as the manual says that it lasts "4 months". However, later in April, I did a divisional landing at Ambon with troops completely unprepped, and did not incur the drastic penalties expected. Now my theory is that it ends at 30 Apr 42. I haven't done a landing in early May yet to see the penalties.

I realize that I should know by now when it really ends. I thought I did. I'm judging my theory on my observations, which doesn't prove anything, but certainly changed my mind. My Ambon division should have been wrecked on landing, in my opinion, if the bonus had expired.

This is a long discussed topic, and one that I thought was settled, but it is not for me at the moment.


It might last until the 7th, never really checked that. But I have certainly felts its impact in supplies and especially motorized support unload rates....

You should be able to easily check this thru the unloading of supplies...a big difference between 250 and 1200. I will drop a message to NJP and get him to unload some supply somewhere and measure the unload rate before the 7th.

Depending upon your units experience, forts and terrain, the supply, disruption level and composition of the defenders, invasions with very little to 0 prep can be done with few adverse effects.

Although I don't think it mentions it in the rulebook, naval support in the hex being amphibously unloaded to is horrendously strong. Most people only see this when trying to unload large caliber guns at level 1 ports. In addition the dedicated amphib ships once empty help unload too.

Japanese units are generally really well suited to amphibious operations.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 5:15:19 PM   
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Although I don't think it mentions it in the rulebook, naval support in the hex being amphibously unloaded to is horrendously strong. Most people only see this when trying to unload large caliber guns at level 1 ports. In addition the dedicated amphib ships once empty help unload too.

I always try to accompany amphibious operations of any half-significant scale with a prepped naval support unit. HQn, port units or other types of naval engineers, whichever is available, help immensely to get troops and supply off the ships and onto beaches. Another necessary support element is a prepped HQa/c of course.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 8:08:16 PM   
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Naval losses look heavy, but they always are in the Japanese player goes for it


+1

Three blunders: Boise, 2 CAs north of Perth, and British south of Ceylon blundering into KB.

Saved a lot of the high value Thundering Herd, but lost way too many Dutch ships around the early attack on Java.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 8:19:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Naval losses look heavy, but they always are in the Japanese player goes for it


+1

Three blunders: Boise, 2 CAs north of Perth, and British south of Ceylon blundering into KB.

Saved a lot of the high value Thundering Herd, but lost way too many Dutch ships around the early attack on Java.


But contrast those with the IJN losses. How about posting a listing of DD and higher ships lost?

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 9:33:35 PM   
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Our destroyers raid Koggala, sinking one destroyer, but losing one to a long lance in a follow up fight with 4 IJN destroyers.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 9:34:39 PM   
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We spotted these tankers yesterday, and tried to intercept with some slow boats with a single 6 pound gun...no joy, but it was fun!




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 9:35:35 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 9:36:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Our artillery is pretty good...Japan swept a hex we don't have troops in, and yesterday they marched troops south out of Bundaberg, they don't know we are on the way to Rockhampton.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 9:44:06 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 10:11:32 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 10:24:22 PM   
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Plane losses. Claude? Any ideas?







If you captured a base where they were located, then they show up as OPs losses.

Did you see any in a combat situation?

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 10:28:35 PM   
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I notice that the -3 Vindicator has a 44 hex relocation range! What other things should I be careful about?






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 10:29:43 PM   
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Plane losses. Claude? Any ideas?







If you captured a base where they were located, then they show up as OPs losses.

Did you see any in a combat situation?


Nope. It is a baffle. Perhaps he disbanded a unit on an island somewhere for some reason. Likely for a withdrawing squadron.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 10:43:55 PM   
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Can somebody tell me about dive bomber upgrades and uses...

I notice that the -3 Vindicator has a 44 hex relocation range! What other things should I be careful about?






Maybe look at the service ratings and whether they can get drop tanks when they become available.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/8/2021 11:19:33 PM   
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Can somebody tell me about dive bomber upgrades and uses...

I notice that the -3 Vindicator has a 44 hex relocation range! What other things should I be careful about?






Maybe look at the service ratings and whether they can get drop tanks when they become available.


There are some of those air units which either do not withdraw or withdraw in 1945. Find those and keep those as your training squadrons with the old airplanes. When I withdrew a squadron with 2 old airplanes, I saw it coming back with 18 new SBD-3s.

There is also a Marine DB squadron that changes to a TB squadron.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 12:23:56 AM   
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VP ratio stands at 1.667 to 1.

Forgot to take a picture of the scorecard. Tomorrow.


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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 10:39:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Naval losses look heavy, but they always are in the Japanese player goes for it


+1

Three blunders: Boise, 2 CAs north of Perth, and British south of Ceylon blundering into KB.

Saved a lot of the high value Thundering Herd, but lost way too many Dutch ships around the early attack on Java.



Not a criticism I hasn't to add btw!

Every allied player when faced with a Japanese expansion that really goes for it knows that he is going to take heavy naval losses because he can't ignore it.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 11:57:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Vindicators are slow and ponderous, but have a great range, better than any other later model dive bomber.

I typically keep one or two operational squadrons of Vindicators until the pool runs dry.

Allied pools are so low in '42 that it has always made sense to me to get as much mileage as possible out of the 'obsolete' aircraft.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 2:08:33 PM   
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The Vindicators are slow and ponderous, but have a great range, better than any other later model dive bomber.

I typically keep one or two operational squadrons of Vindicators until the pool runs dry.

Allied pools are so low in '42 that it has always made sense to me to get as much mileage as possible out of the 'obsolete' aircraft.


+ 1

Their range is great for transferring them between bases as well



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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 2:26:29 PM   
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Quiet day again...

The siege of Maryborough is broken!

It would be nice to pocket and destroy this IJA Army, but I doubt that will be the outcome...which is ok as the offensive has more important goals in the short term...Rockhampton will be cut off tomorrow by rail from the north and west...too bad I can't cut the southern rail line.

I would like to use some Navy to bombard, but I have lost track of the KB and there are 60 Betties/Nells at Rockhampton.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 4:13:14 PM   
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The Vindicators are slow and ponderous, but have a great range, better than any other later model dive bomber.

I typically keep one or two operational squadrons of Vindicators until the pool runs dry.

Allied pools are so low in '42 that it has always made sense to me to get as much mileage as possible out of the 'obsolete' aircraft.


Thank you!

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 4:48:11 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 6:02:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get two squadrons of Wellington Ic in the next few days...with their range and SR they will make a great night time bomber of Magwe.

Also, they can carry 2 supply into China...

Wish I got more of them.

Not pictured below, I start getting Lancers for China, I converted one fighter squadron with 1 plane, and will fly them out to Ledo once repaired.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 6:08:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did try night campaign with the British 2Es against Magve without success. Tried again with Liberators in 43 with the same poor results. It seems Oil fields are "immune" from night attacks.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 6:40:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love the Wellington but it is fragile - little defensive armament and seems easy for flak to shoot down too. Find a place where there is no fighter opposition and only light flak (that you can fly above) if you want to bomb something. Bomb merchant ships too.
To give them the best survival rate I can, I bring in some veteran pilots with Defensive skill in the high 60s or more.



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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 8:07:58 PM   
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I did try night campaign with the British 2Es against Magve without success. Tried again with Liberators in 43 with the same poor results. It seems Oil fields are "immune" from night attacks.


Having been on the receiving end in previous Japanese games, night bombing can be horrendously successful. Although it is not easy, and you need to really work the system.

In this game, I have had good success with night bombing industry. Not great, well considering the pilot quality and DL levels, that is to be expected.



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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 8:14:06 PM   
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I love the Wellington but it is fragile - little defensive armament and seems easy for flak to shoot down too. Find a place where there is no fighter opposition and only light flak (that you can fly above) if you want to bomb something. Bomb merchant ships too.
To give them the best survival rate I can, I bring in some veteran pilots with Defensive skill in the high 60s or more.




Used to Japanese bombers I am, it is not fragile!

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 8:17:19 PM   
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Given the Allies horrendous advantage in AA and Japanese paucity, it leaves a lot of the fighter force available for sweeping attacks, strafing attacks, and 1000' foot bombing runs.

I plan to give them all a workout, have already used them. The P38J and the D25 Jugs are especially attractive although their common role is high altitude sweepers I have other plans for some (most) of them.

Curious to see what effect the camera has with the Fulmar!

Also, I continue testing the 100' and 1000' sweeping attack. I think as a stand alone offensive mission, the effectiveness isn't great, but rather used in conjunction with other offensive missions, could be very strong indeed, as RangerJoe has alluded to in previous posts.




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 6/9/2021 8:20:40 PM   
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Having been on the receiving end in previous Japanese games, night bombing can be horrendously successful. Although it is not easy, and you need to really work the system.

In this game, I have had good success with night bombing industry. Not great, well considering the pilot quality and DL levels, that is to be expected.



I have had great success in airfield night bombing as well, in such extend that we had to put limits on it. But when I targeted oil, no hits.

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