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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/29/2021 11:29:30 PM   
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June 3, 1942

Another quiet day...scouring the roster for troops to buyout and assign prep to with an emphasis now on Marcus/Marianas to the Jimas.

Iboat sniffing around Christmas...which is built up now pretty well.

Long Island, CVE, arrived and I can see why I always sink it in 1942...very fragile ship. Figuring out what I want to do with it, now in transit to West Coast. Certainly it doesn't belong anywhere near the front lines...

Moving all troops that I will buy out to LA and that is my shipping hub...except those slated for the Aleutians. I can scroll thru the list and assign prep, check prep easily enough. Not sending anymore combat troops to India or Australia.

Liberty ships moving off map to Balboa and will do a run to New Zealand.









Put 5 two airplane Marine air units on it that won't disappear for awhile, leave them on board while training for 90+ days.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 3:04:39 AM   
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Why is an experienced player doing this? There is no chance to actually achieve something other than disabling his units even more. Wow, 21 destroyed Allied squads! Clark is a 3x defensive multiplier and he attacks with not even 2/3 of your av there. Not that it will really matter considering how trashed the IJA already is all over the map but that's a good way to trash it even more


IJ can take replacements and recover disablements where the Allies can't.

IJ can also easily resupply while the Allies will struggle.

It seems a pragmatic approach to wearing down a numerically superior defending force with an inferior attacking force.


Maybe I'm wrong, but it would seem even more pragmatic to use Bombardment attacks instead of Deliberate attacks. Note the Japanese edge in artillery and vehicles.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 3:57:26 AM   
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June 3, 1942

Another quiet day...scouring the roster for troops to buyout and assign prep to with an emphasis now on Marcus/Marianas to the Jimas.

Iboat sniffing around Christmas...which is built up now pretty well.

Long Island, CVE, arrived and I can see why I always sink it in 1942...very fragile ship. Figuring out what I want to do with it, now in transit to West Coast. Certainly it doesn't belong anywhere near the front lines...

Moving all troops that I will buy out to LA and that is my shipping hub...except those slated for the Aleutians. I can scroll thru the list and assign prep, check prep easily enough. Not sending anymore combat troops to India or Australia.

Liberty ships moving off map to Balboa and will do a run to New Zealand.


Use Long Island as historically - as an aircraft ferry. Load it 2X capacity if you want to crane the planes off. Regular capacity if you want to fly them off early and turn L.I. around to return for more.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 12:57:45 PM   
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Use Long Island as historically - as an aircraft ferry. Load it 2X capacity if you want to crane the planes off. Regular capacity if you want to fly them off early and turn L.I. around to return for more.


You are most likely correct!

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 1:14:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going thru and disbanding all my defensive PT boat squadrons to make them available for the upcoming offensives...

We will start the ball rolling with the invasion of Addu in a few days. Plentiful naval search should help to prevent all but a flank speed CV strike by Japan, and for that we will rely upon only being at Addu for one day unloading. If it goes bad, the shipping can exit to Mombasa, a port I am finding very useful.

Might perform some sweeps over the 150 IJ fighters at Colombo...before transitioning to the Baker Island/Tabit operation...all the while we are marching on Broome and starting the long march to Kalgoorlie and pushing into northern Burma.

Set up my first Cape Town to Port Stanley supply task force today. Cape Town is getting supplies from both the UK and Abadan (thru a strange route past Socotra and Mombasa).

I want to free up the Cristobal to Port Stanley cargo ships for the Central Pacific...






The danger with these dinky invasions is IJ ambush of course...and that is hard to prevent, but easy to plan for.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 2:43:34 PM   
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Set up my first Cape Town to Port Stanley supply task force today. Cape Town is getting supplies from both the UK and Abadan (thru a strange route past Socotra and Mombasa).

I want to free up the Cristobal to Port Stanley cargo ships for the Central Pacific...

Unless you are putting things at Port Stanley to stage them for further movement or whatever, Post Stanley will use very little supply. The monthly estimate on the screen should be pretty accurate if you are not building the base. A single xAK on CS Convoy from the US East Coast will take care of that.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 3:13:11 PM   
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Unless you are putting things at Port Stanley to stage them for further movement or whatever,


Roger that. Those sheep farmers are very busy!

I belong to the Mr. Roberts school of cargo shipping...one lone cargo ship plying the huge Pacific Ocean at a time.




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 3:30:46 PM   
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Unless you are putting things at Port Stanley to stage them for further movement or whatever,


Roger that. Those sheep farmers are very busy!

I belong to the Mr. Roberts school of cargo shipping...one lone cargo ship plying the huge Pacific Ocean at a time.




What you really need for that is fuel, as long as you don't unload the cargo ships. The port won't handle the fueling required in any reasonable amount of time, so have a large tanker disbanded in the port with another on the way to replace it when empty.



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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 3:37:13 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 3:46:11 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 5:42:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just supplies for the Tahiti to Rapa area...then on to NZ and Australia, although in truth much hasn't gotten past NZ yet. I think there is only one xk transporting from NZ to Australia so far. There are Iboats floating around NZ....


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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 7/30/2021 6:58:42 PM   
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Use Long Island as historically - as an aircraft ferry. Load it 2X capacity if you want to crane the planes off. Regular capacity if you want to fly them off early and turn L.I. around to return for more.


You are most likely correct!


It's good as a decoy as well. You can have it run with your fleet carriers going one direction w/ sbd nav search on full, light up some subs, then have the fleet carriers split off and go dark in the other direction while the LI continues on. It usually has a short life expectancy, let it have some fun.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/3/2021 2:16:30 PM   
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A knockout fight in the Pacific...plenty of ASW and NavS planes helped the destroyer, who just joined the small merchant fleet to shepherd them into port, fight off the sub...but then the sub turns the table and starts hitting the merchants hard!

Submarine attack near Christmas Island at 174,141

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 11, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Buchanan
xAK Am. Manufacturer, Shell hits 1
xAK West Shipper, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAK Hollywood, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

SS I-4 is sighted by escort
I-4 bottoming out ....
DD Buchanan fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Buchanan attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-4 forced to surface!
DD Buchanan firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Am. Manufacturer firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK West Shipper firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Hollywood firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Buchanan firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Am. Manufacturer firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK West Shipper firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Hollywood firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Am. Manufacturer firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK West Shipper firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Hollywood firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Am. Manufacturer firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK West Shipper firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Hollywood firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Buchanan firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Am. Manufacturer firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK West Shipper firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Hollywood firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Buchanan firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Am. Manufacturer firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK West Shipper firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Hollywood firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Buchanan firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Am. Manufacturer firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK West Shipper firing on surfaced sub ....
xAK Hollywood firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/3/2021 2:20:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		That Iboat managed to destroy a fair bit of supplies! But the ships are docked behind the sub nets now...and should be safe if they can put out the fires. With Japan it would be a definite risk getting the fires under control with supplies onboard.

Plus we still spot an Iboat...another?, Japan does like to run them in pairs it seems, or is it the heavily damaged I-4?





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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/3/2021 2:23:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		A one to one attack here....hopefully these guys fail to retreat and can hold the IJA tanks for a bit here.








Check out the 2 IJA units moving west below the "CHINA" tag...

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/4/2021 12:13:50 PM   
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Quiet day...the torpedoed cargo ship goes down at the dock in the Line Islands, Japan loses 5 planes, Allies 0.

Hold another day...we are hoping for a no retreat hold here.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 11:56:27 AM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 1:06:14 PM   
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What to do?







Convert all possible ships to AE. You don't know how many that you may lose. Other ships can haul cargo or be converted to troop transports.

Starting in 1945, those AEs can replenish all of your AA on your ships while underway.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 2:36:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not so sure that is needed...initially. My convoy routes currently are very long and as long as I don't lose the ships, they can provide better utility currently hauling supplies off map. As more and more cargo ships arrive they can be converted over to ammo ships.

Thru 1942 our offensive ability is limited...but our demand for supplies is not.

Hog Island
Harriman
Regulus
Capella
C2 Lassen

All these classes can go either AE or AKE. I currently have 16 AKE and 7 AE and only 5 AD. I would prefer to have more ADs.

12 days for Wasp, 16 days for North Carolina. Destroyers trickling in very consistently. Simply amazing strength.


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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 2:39:57 PM   
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I am not so sure that is needed...initially. My convoy routes currently are very long and as long as I don't lose the ships, they can provide better utility currently hauling supplies off map. As more and more cargo ships arrive they can be converted over to ammo ships.

Thru 1942 our offensive ability is limited...but our demand for supplies is not.

Hog Island
Harriman
Regulus
Capella
C2 Lassen

All these classes can go either AE or AKE. I currently have 16 AKE and 7 AE and only 5 AD. I would prefer to have more ADs.

12 days for Wasp, 16 days for North Carolina. Destroyers trickling in very consistently. Simply amazing strength.


Take a look at the cargo capacity after the change - it should be 5400 tons with no liquid storage.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 2:56:26 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 3:25:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently you are running a mod with reduced cargo capacities but the tender's cargo capacities have to remain the same as the original so they can function properly. That is, rearming the ships that they are supposed to rearm.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 5:29:12 PM   
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I am not so sure that is needed...initially. My convoy routes currently are very long and as long as I don't lose the ships, they can provide better utility currently hauling supplies off map. As more and more cargo ships arrive they can be converted over to ammo ships.

Thru 1942 our offensive ability is limited...but our demand for supplies is not.

Hog Island
Harriman
Regulus
Capella
C2 Lassen

All these classes can go either AE or AKE. I currently have 16 AKE and 7 AE and only 5 AD. I would prefer to have more ADs.

12 days for Wasp, 16 days for North Carolina. Destroyers trickling in very consistently. Simply amazing strength.


Take a look at the cargo capacity after the change - it should be 5400 tons with no liquid storage.

The C2 Lassen were the only AEs big enough to load the Iowa Class BBs, but I am unclear if the effort to allow AKEs to load the Yamatos also allowed lower capacity AEs/AKEs to load the Iowas.

At any rate, be aware that the C2 Lassen class do not arrive in a steady stream - there are a bunch of them early in 1942 and then almost none for about a year. Upgrading the AA on the cargo version will eliminate the AE conversion option. Conversion to an xAP will likely do so as well.

In 1943 you get the odd new AE of the C2 class but I still find the ones I converted tremendously useful. There were many bases where I was basing BBs for bombardment of enemy island strongholds, and the large capacity of the AEs meant I could load the BBs several times before needing to replenish the supply. Staging the AEs loading supply while the BBs were away bombarding kept the whole thing running smoothly. I needed 3-4 AEs to keep up with business. I had some AKEs in the area to load cruisers and DDs.

The only advantage I have found in an AD over AE/AKEs is that the AD can help repair minor damage on the DDs. Both can supply torps. At any rate, more ADs do arrive and I did not find I needed them all that much against the AI.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/5/2021 7:52:59 PM   
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... I am unclear if the effort to allow AKEs to load the Yamatos also allowed lower capacity AEs/AKEs to load the Iowas...



There was no attempt to make it easier to reload the Yamato class. It is one of the quite significant bugs (yes there is more than 1) introduced in the betas post the official patch #7.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/6/2021 1:00:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I previously used up to 10 AKEs to keep up round the clock bombardments from dot base in the Pacific as Japan. So that is my rule of thumb...I guess with Americans and later in the war it might even be more since you have so many ships.

I really dislike loading the Yamato from AKEs, it takes away from a whole series of decisions Japan needs to make strategically. Makes the game poorer, imho.


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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/6/2021 1:12:40 PM   
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Lack of supplies, from Ankang down south have doomed our defense against the IJA tank spearhead. I also weakened the point defense further down by moving a fully dug in corp out and faced the initial attack (months ago when the IJ thrust was up the Canton road and west out of Ichang) with only 3 dug in corps instead of 4. Plus none of them were the US TOE corps which is what is needed.

Our equalizer, I had hoped was the 43rd Cavalry with Stuarts, but they end up fighting 8+ Tank Regiments and simply get disabled after one fight.








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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/6/2021 1:57:34 PM   
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Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21920 troops, 424 guns, 827 vehicles, Assault Value = 622

Defending force 32127 troops, 371 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 963

Japanese adjusted assault: 607

Allied adjusted defense: 1258

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1876 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 136 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Vehicles lost 41 (3 destroyed, 38 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
235 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
22nd Division
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
Guards Tank Division
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
21st Army

Defending units:
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
21st PA Infantry Division
31st Infantry Regiment
4th Marine Regiment
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
31st PA Infantry Division
11th PA Infantry Division
2nd PA Constabulary Division
Clark Field AAF Base Force
I Philippine Corps
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
Provisional GMC Grp
Far East USAAF
301st PA Field Artillery Regiment

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/6/2021 2:04:49 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/6/2021 2:08:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		No attacks, but his Iboats do a really good job at detection. I don't think mine ever approached this level...I think it means the IJ operate in packs of glen boat equipped subs? No HR about using other floats on the iboats too, but at this stage that should only effect the range.





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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/6/2021 2:14:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Happy with how our Australian defense went here...not happy with the American Bases. Tennant Creek is empty. Alice Springs is 4 (91%) AF with 40k supply.

Our lead element to take Tennant Creek is deceptively weak...HQc, AA, Base Force, Brigade and Battalion.




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