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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/13/2021 3:15:54 PM   
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The skytrain squadrons aren't full strength yet, and we get about 1 a day in the pools...plus every now and then we can allocate another bomber squadron to providing supply.

Plus we are still using some transports to fly troops hither and thither.




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/13/2021 3:51:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once your torpedoes work a bit better and once the facet of Fletcher's opens up a bit you might want to try some 2xDD TF's as raiders. They are fast, hard to detect, have good range, are hard to hit and they actually pack a bit of a punch. Right now anything with decent AAA value should be protecting carriers

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/13/2021 5:44:11 PM   
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Right now anything with decent AAA value should be protecting carriers


I think I will disagree with that as a blanket statement.

First and foremost, day in and day out, Iboats present the greatest danger, unless you are looking to provoke a CV clash. Therefore maximizing your ASW platforms & protection should be more important than providing AA.

Secondly, this early in the game, the Allies can't be using their CVs too much as the plane pools, pilot training, crew experience, and even the moon phase won't allow it. So why idle potentially good ships?

Third, the Allies have lots of choices for AA coverage of the CVs especially as the game wears on, but a more limited choice on potential raiders.

I do plan on using Fletchers that way, but more likely in groups of 3 or more. Right now there is a Desron of 3 Porters hunting around, but they have failed to catch anything yet. My medium term goal is to get raiders setup all along Japan's perimeter and constantly probe it, sometimes shallowly, and sometimes deeply. But that takes a backseat to radar upgrades and night training.


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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/13/2021 6:04:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, at this stage ASW is paramount for the carriers. Always important, but late game the IJN subs are typically already knocked out of the action.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/14/2021 3:47:59 AM   
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What we would call corruption might be what other cultures would call "business norms". As you say, so many factions with so many different loyalties. It's hard enough today setting aside our Judeo-Christian/democratic/western values to consider the way things are done in foreign cultures. It must have been almost impossible in the 1940's. In this respect Stilwell better suited to the job than almost anyone else. He understood the culture and tried, sometimes successfully, to work within it.


The Governor of She said to Confucius, 'In our village we have an example of a straight person. When the father stole a sheep, the son gave evidence against him.' Confucius answered, 'In our village those who are straight are quite different. Fathers cover up for their sons, and sons cover up for their fathers. In such behaviour is straightness to be found as a matter of course.'
-- Confucius, The Analects

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/14/2021 11:48:16 AM   
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Game news:

I am retreating with the best troops out of Clark in an attempt to avoid severe losses due to a forced retreat, and hopefully we will be able to survive longer at Bataan.

Retreating out of Ankang, but the Japanese armor will make it long before we get out...the next two hexes have dug in troops and artillery but supply is iffy and we will be overstacked....but the hex tot he west is a river crossing.

Liberty ships are leaving daily from Balboa to Rappa unescorted. From Rappa to New Zealand supplies will be lightly escorted in another task force with smaller merchant ships, and then the same for the run to Australia although currently Australia gets 90%+ of their supplies from Cape Town.

Two Marine Regiments are loading up at Bombay for Mombasa, thence to Cape Town and then Balboa and then Pearl Harbor. They are prepping for the the Jimas although they can't build prep on ships.

Large concentration of British troops at Comilla and Dacca...will move on Chittagong as soon as they form up. Timed to match the incursion of a large Chinese Corp and British Division into northern Burma on the near Imphal...Hoping these guys steal a march on the Japanese.




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/14/2021 12:26:21 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/14/2021 1:43:30 PM   
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Japan has 30+ units moving up the Angkang road...600+ tanks.

Three full IJA division off road west of Ankang, two pictured and one just to the west.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/14/2021 3:11:10 PM   
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I do plan on using Fletchers that way, but more likely in groups of 3 or more. Right now there is a Desron of 3 Porters hunting around, but they have failed to catch anything yet. My medium term goal is to get raiders setup all along Japan's perimeter and constantly probe it, sometimes shallowly, and sometimes deeply. But that takes a backseat to radar upgrades and night training.



In the past I've successfully used old CLs from PH. Great range and they can pass quite easily into Philippines Sea.


Had huge success in mid- and late-war with 3xFletchers as you mention. I agree on the part regarding AA vs ASW. ASW is the main thing to be looked at.

Generally, I think maximizing AA is something more for the mid and late war: if the Japanese catches you with your pants down, AA won't help much anyway at this stage.

Interestingly, I'm always short of DDs as the allied player, so it might be that I'm too liberal in their use (and loss).

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/14/2021 7:14:30 PM   
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Japan has 30+ units moving up the Angkang road...600+ tanks.

Good-good, let him burn lots of supply on those long dirt roads!

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/15/2021 12:38:35 AM   
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I could get used to depth charges that work in the deep ocean! We put 7 hits on that sub in port and then this penetrating hit!








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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/15/2021 12:39:31 AM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/15/2021 12:43:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		700 supplies at Bataan...I started moving two days ago some units out...they stayed in reserve no pursuit mode, even while the IJA attacked today.

Maybe I should stay...I started to leave to avoid taking heavy losses in a forced retreat. Perhaps staying in the x3 terrain is better move...700 supplies won't go far, Bataan has forts 2, and is jungle.


Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21667 troops, 420 guns, 605 vehicles, Assault Value = 662

Defending force 30232 troops, 352 guns, 200 vehicles, Assault Value = 802

Japanese adjusted assault: 546

Allied adjusted defense: 478

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
261 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
568 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 43 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 35 (2 destroyed, 33 disabled)

Assaulting units:
35th Division
Guards Tank Division
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
21st Army

Defending units:
31st Infantry Regiment
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
21st PA Infantry Division
11th PA Infantry Division
31st PA Infantry Division
4th Marine Regiment
2nd PA Constabulary Division
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
Provisional GMC Grp
Far East USAAF
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
Clark Field AAF Base Force
I Philippine Corps
301st PA Field Artillery Regiment






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/15/2021 12:45:38 AM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/15/2021 12:48:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		IJN shows up at Addu...I had disbanded the partially unloaded xakls and their escort.

Night Naval bombardment of Addu at 16,52

Japanese Ships
CL Abukuma
DD Harukaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Samidare
DD Minegumo
DD Tokitsukaze

Allied Ships
AM Romney, Shell hits 1

Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 3
Port hits 1

CL Abukuma firing at 2nd Marine Regiment
DD Harukaze firing at 2nd Marine Regiment
DD Suzukaze firing at 2nd Marine Regiment
DD Samidare firing at Addu
DD Minegumo firing at Addu
DD Tokitsukaze firing at 2nd Marine Regim






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/15/2021 1:01:49 PM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Long Island and company arrive off San Diego...will go to my shipping hub at LA.

Wasp comes in a day or two, fast battleship in 5 days.

I think I am probably 10 days or so of launching the Baker to Tabby operation...so end of June. Then Aug to Sept for Marcus Island to Pagan operation assuming no CV losses.

Dispatched some large US subs to take supplies to Singers from India.

Continually amazed to see the reinforcements coming in...

China increased their supply level again! Have I turned the corner?

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/15/2021 4:58:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Moving units to Bataan should draw some of the supply at Clark field in as well.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/16/2021 12:31:30 AM   
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Another attack at Clark AFB...our largest division popped out of reserve no pursuit mode in great position causing a 1-6 attack. A lot of troops are 3/4ths of the way to Bataan...but maybe I would be better off holding at Clark AFB in the x3 terrain....gonna have to think on this.

Today was definitely a good die roll.

Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21329 troops, 420 guns, 605 vehicles, Assault Value = 627

Defending force 29716 troops, 347 guns, 200 vehicles, Assault Value = 753

Japanese adjusted assault: 328

Allied adjusted defense: 2281

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 6 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1189 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 94 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
573 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 13 (9 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
35th Division
Guards Tank Division
2nd Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
21st Army

Defending units:
31st Infantry Regiment
4th Marine Regiment
11th PA Infantry Division
21st PA Infantry Division
31st PA Infantry Division
26th PS Cavalry Regiment
2nd PA Constabulary Division
Far East USAAF
Clark Field AAF Base Force
88th PS Field Artillery Regiment
Provisional GMC Grp
57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team
I Philippine Corps
301st PA Field Artillery Regiment




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/16/2021 12:32:21 AM   
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Moving units to Bataan should draw some of the supply at Clark field in as well.


There is 0 supply at Clark, 750 at Bataan roughly.

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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/16/2021 12:47:21 AM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/16/2021 12:00:55 PM   
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How much if any supply are you slipping to Bataan? to Clark?


Just a trickle from some 60 supply point subs


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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/16/2021 12:34:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am working hard to establish recon all along Japan's perimeter, and probing his perimeter with taskforces...to appear and then disappear.

Where I can we are pushing forward, Darwin/Broome, Kalgoorlie road, Northern Burma and Chittagong.

Here is the northern Burma push, which might not be detected yet...




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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/17/2021 2:15:40 PM   
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I decided not to defend Ankang...no supplies, no forts, and the ever present danger of his tanks pursuing across the river or into the mountains gaining lots of momentum...pretty sure the retreat path would be north into the mountains from how the AI makes units move into Ankang...but I wasn't 100% positive.

rather I evacuated and got out all troops with the exception of these laggards with a starting value of 0 AV. They managed to not get destroyed, and managed a retreat and best of all not get pursued by Japans tanks.

Well done...but it is sad to give Japan a forward base, but it was better than the other options.








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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/17/2021 2:16:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Neither side is doing a good job of recon here, and while I infiltrate a division and a corp into northern Burma, I am happy with that.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/17/2021 2:45:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		A welcome addition, the warships were hanging out and doing shakedown cruises while they waited for the Wasp, rather than go into San Diego, Xmas or Pearl from the Panama Canal.

With a 38 night time experience rating the Wasp needs a little work too!






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/18/2021 10:20:10 AM   
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Always like it when our patrolling ASW Task Forces engage IJN Iboats. Here we have a twofer, one off Canada, and the other Australia.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/18/2021 10:48:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		China is done for...and I have some hard decisions to make about which troops will make the final stand in the mountains, and which will die to not be reborn.

I have lazily let the HQs that have respawned sit in Chungking...I probably should have sent them out to die again...or put them in a place to not eat supplies. Probably a minor point.

Our US TOE Corps are in good shape, but we need supplies for them to fight well. I need to check their ID Unit number...so either they fight in Chungking, or fight in the mountains I think rather than use them along the Ankang road somewhere. I think somewhere along the mountains where they can at least get supplies flown in from Ledo is their best use. Save the best for last?

It would be nice to have them at Chungking with those six level forts, but the SOP for taking Chungking is to surround it first and then bombard for a month or two...and I don't want to lose them that way.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/18/2021 11:09:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I probably could have taken Canton and Baker a month ago, probably should have while quite a few of the IJN CVs were off Australia...but I wanted to run a chain operation and make it to Tabby and secure the Gilberts and wait for the Wasp. Not to mention so many reinforcements arriving.

I am hoping to do significant damage with the Cats at Arorae. Makin is still in Allied hands...would be nice to setup another CAT base there...but returns would diminish after the first attack.

If Japan decides not to defend this area, we will keep pushing into the Marshalls, albeit in a smallish way as the true thrust is at Marcus and Pagan.






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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/18/2021 12:15:26 PM   
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RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) - 8/22/2021 9:54:43 AM   
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Finished off a previously damaged Iboat...

Clark AFB falls...but most of the troops had evacuated to Bataan. Not sure if this was the right move, but I thought I would experiment a bit.

Finally got Japan enticed into attacking the Rboat at Cochin again, an aerial strike...will see if we can surprise him this turn with something unexpected.






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