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Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 9/5/2020 4:00:50 PM

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Currently we know that the Hypersonic Glide Vehicles(HGVs) in DB3K, like US Minuteman III or Chinese DF-ZF cannot be used for Player's Editon of CMANO/CMO. I wonder if there's any possibilities they can be introduced to Player's Edition of CMO in the future? Because I think this is really something important for modern ballistic missiles.

Btw, I wonder if HGVs in the Academic/Professional edtion uses a different mechanism when counteracts enemy missile defense system? There's one example pretty close (the Chinese DF-17 in the DB3K), but in current version it is easily be intercepted by conventional missile defense system, which seems to be counterintuitive: it behaves nothing more than a combinition of SRBM+LACM in current player's edition.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/24/2020 3:49:07 AM

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I'm wondering this too.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/24/2020 2:30:57 PM

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ok, what's a "players edition"?

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/24/2020 7:44:18 PM

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ok, what's a "players edition"?

Meaning, not professional edition.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/24/2020 8:51:54 PM

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Hypersonic Glide Vehicles were introduced via the Chains of War expansion if I recall. But I am not sure if the any additional Hypersonic Glide Vehicles were added to be available outside the pro version after that. Pretty sure there is a answer to this. I just don't know.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/25/2020 1:28:57 AM

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Actually rail guns and lasers were added in CoW HGV are only in the professional edition as far as I am aware, It may be that the modeling of these to be anywhere near accurately to their actual capabilities would require information not accessible to the general public and therefor restricted to the PE version.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/25/2020 9:18:05 AM

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ok, what's a "players edition"?

Meaning, not professional edition.

Ah, ok. Just hadn't heard the sim referred to as that before. Thanks!

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/27/2020 9:21:28 PM

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This makes some sense. But then why would there be database entries for HGVs in the commercially available product?

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/30/2020 1:25:56 PM

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This makes some sense. But then why would there be database entries for HGVs in the commercially available product?

Passive advertising.

Would it be possible to add "placeholder" HGVs? For example, by creating them as normal ballistic missile RVs but with a very high speed to make them near impossible to intercept. It wouldn't have the actual flight characteristics of the real thing, but it would still work.

The current commercially available HGV, the DF-17, does indeed appear to behave like an HGV but its velocity at impact is so slow it can be shot down by medium range SAMs (like the Type 03 Chu-SAM) which normally can't shoot at ballistic missiles.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/30/2020 1:46:20 PM

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This makes some sense. But then why would there be database entries for HGVs in the commercially available product?

Passive advertising.

Would it be possible to add "placeholder" HGVs? For example, by creating them as normal ballistic missile RVs but with a very high speed to make them near impossible to intercept. It wouldn't have the actual flight characteristics of the real thing, but it would still work.

The current commercially available HGV, the DF-17, does indeed appear to behave like an HGV but its velocity at impact is so slow it can be shot down by medium range SAMs (like the Type 03 Chu-SAM) which normally can't shoot at ballistic missiles.

Did you put this request into the db request thread or see if its been requested as a new feature?

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/30/2020 5:14:02 PM

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Did you put this request into the db request thread or see if its been requested as a new feature?

I believe this has been ask for a number of times. If you use the search function in the forum you can find them.

Thank!

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/30/2020 5:18:05 PM

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I know, thats why I pointed him there.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/30/2020 9:49:40 PM

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Did you put this request into the db request thread or see if its been requested as a new feature?

I believe this has been ask for a number of times. If you use the search function in the forum you can find them.

Thank!

its been asked before yes but I have never seen a CMO dev or anybody who works at matrix games say yes/no in regards to HGVs being unlocked in the consumer version.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 12/30/2020 10:28:58 PM

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Did you put this request into the db request thread or see if its been requested as a new feature?

I believe this has been ask for a number of times. If you use the search function in the forum you can find them.

Thank!

its been asked before yes but I have never seen a CMO dev or anybody who works at matrix games say yes/no in regards to HGVs being unlocked in the consumer version.

Yeah and talking about it here is proving pointless. Maybe a string with a poll to let users show they care about this more.
The existing string gets reset a lot and if you have been player you know alot has been done but there are certain things high on the list that nobody touch for whatever reason. Anybody that has followed knows it.

There are many new tech and a lot of old tech that would be wonderful to be modeled. Need to capture drone stuff deeper, upgrade manpad to modern seeker tech and make dual-mode real dual mode. Both databases are out of date and in some cases have weird errors like double radar etc. CWDB hasn't been update in a year. Everybody understand things have priority but up to user to do what we can to help. I think theyt have. DB people have followed through with Rory submittal format request. We will see follow through now. If they release a China campaigns without this stuff it will be goofy. This is surely on list and will kind of prove to us if they're still with us. Actions tell the tale not words from forum bullies.

Its great that CMO is pro but it kind of isn't from standpoint that they have got to pro-features to upsell. Most of those features are appealing to entertainment user as well. I understand dynamic, and not mad (devs gotta eat and this isn't forever) but it kinda suck.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 1/2/2021 1:18:40 PM

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This makes some sense. But then why would there be database entries for HGVs in the commercially available product?

Passive advertising.

Would it be possible to add "placeholder" HGVs? For example, by creating them as normal ballistic missile RVs but with a very high speed to make them near impossible to intercept. It wouldn't have the actual flight characteristics of the real thing, but it would still work.

The current commercially available HGV, the DF-17, does indeed appear to behave like an HGV but its velocity at impact is so slow it can be shot down by medium range SAMs (like the Type 03 Chu-SAM) which normally can't shoot at ballistic missiles.

Did you put this request into the db request thread or see if its been requested as a new feature?

I originally just was putting the idea out there for discussion and did not intend to make a request, so no for the former. However there hasn't been any negative response to the idea so I will make a request, but I have posted a question regarding whether "placeholder" units like what I suggested are acceptable as requests or not before making the actual request in the DB3000 thread.

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RE: Will HGVs Available for Player's Edition? - 1/2/2021 1:21:22 PM

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Frankly, I don't think you have to be that formal about asking by requesting if you can make a request. I'd just make the request and see what happens.

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