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"We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYer (J... - 11/3/2020 1:22:04 PM   
LargeSlowTarget


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Status: offline 		In preparation of the upcoming rematch against Ed a.k.a. IdahoNYer with roles reversed, I hereby start the preliminaries for a new AAR.

Since Ed seems to have selected for the title of his AAR the "famous last words" of a Japanese Admiral, it seems fitting to reply in kind with a title citing the last order given by Rear-Admiral "Fighting Dan" Callaghan during the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal (November 12-13, 1942), just before he was killed: "We want the big ones! Get the big ones first!" The "big ones" were of course the Japanese BBs, but here also refer to the fact that we will use the "DaBigBabes" mod again for this game.

Alternative titles I have been contemplating were "You'll be sor-ree!" (directed at Ed for having selected the Japanese side) and the famous quote "Send us more Japs!" - both discarded because it might backfire if getting steam-rollered by Ed into a Japanese auto-victory. For the same reason "Making America great again" didn't make it, and it's too political as well. Then there was the book title "Blue sea - red blood" - too poetic - and "We want Sapporo - and Kirin, Suntory and Asahi as well" - too cryptic if you are not into Japanese beer (and it may hint strategic plans).

So, this is a big first for me since I have never played the Allied side in any of my PBEMs I have done with good ol' PacWar, Uncommon Valor, WitP classic and AE. Worse yet, I have never played the Allies in AE past February 1942, and then only against the AI. I fully expect to receive a terrible spanking by Ed. He is a thorough planer and will most likely prepare himself religiously, using Tracker and whatever. I expect his Japanese economy will be run much more efficiently than I did and he will surely try to hurt the Allies badly wherever he can and for as long as possible. I on the other side don't use Tracker and whatever and for me planning is optional, I tend to launch operations on the spur of the moment. If I can avoid a Japanese auto-victory, I will be happy!

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/3/2020 1:33:07 PM   
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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/3/2020 1:46:27 PM   
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Looking forward to you having your revenge. Having just played the IJ for 6 years, you are well versed. So you know the mantra from this side: patience. Start your prep's now for your thrusts, be patient, train tons of pilots, be patient, when you attack, bring the hammer, be patient.

I really think Karachi and continental USA are the only 2 places that you cannot afford to lose. Everything else is negotiable.

Figure out which assets are expendable (PI, DEI, CHI, etc), and then get a plan together to use them to the best possible result.

Good Luck!!

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/3/2020 1:53:58 PM   
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Sieg Heil! Viel Spaß mit dem Spiel!

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/3/2020 2:20:08 PM   
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Good luck with this one! Be wary of Allied inexperience and many poor leaders scattered throughout randomly, by the starting algorithm. Key ships do have good historic leaders though. Your strategy will dictate whether you use precious PP to buy out reinforcements, change leaders or change the type of aircraft a unit upgrades to.
Allied ship withdrawals require certain ports. Make a list of the units that withdraw and their dates and start them to their withdrawal place early. Nothing worse than having a carrier you are withdrawing get torpedoed just before port, and be unable to withdraw it because of damage.

That's all the starting advice that comes to mind.

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/3/2020 3:02:37 PM   
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There is freedom in playing Allies for the first time. So much material coming, you can do anything with enough concentration, you can scoff at almost any initial losses. And your knowledge of Japan will be critically important in the later game, if you just get there with no loss of enthusiasm. Good luck!

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/4/2020 5:02:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have HRs, if so can you share them with the peanut gallery? Looking forward to you being the other side for a change. always an eye opener to be the one who soaks up the early blows and deals with the dog days of 41 and early 42. Knowing things will get better but will they be too worse to be able to dig your way out?

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/5/2020 1:51:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		As long as your not too impatient with your carriers, you should be fine. Hell even If you lose 3 of them like my opponent did you'll still have parity with the Japanese by mid-late 43. All your other ships are fairly expendable early, especially the ships you have on station in the SRA.

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/12/2020 7:21:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the encouragments and advice, guys! I'll keep in mind that "Success is advancing from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.” .

Still no turn from Ed, but his mails indicate that he is preparing himself like his life depends on the outcome of this rematch - reading AARs and taking notes, planing and schemeing and probably playtesting opening moves.

I don't need all this - America is so great that I simply cannot lose, right? And if I lose, he must have cheated

Here are the house rules:

* No 4e naval bombing below 10k
* No non-base hex invasions
* no scattered sub-unit paradrops / sub-invasions, only entire units
* Restricted units must pay PPs to cross national borders, except Thai units which are allowed in Burma
* Sweeps at 2nd best maneuver band (but no limit to CAP altitudes)
* Night Bombing: Per base, AF or Port attack, by year. 41/42: 1 unit, 43: 2 units, 44: 3 units, 45: 4 units. No restrictions on manpower or industry.
* No strategic bombing into or out of China until 1945.
* No Panzer stack Blitzkrieg: one Tank unit in a hex attacking alone is ok, multiple tank units in a hex must be accompanied by infantry

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/12/2020 3:53:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I were him, I would be picking up tips from Lowpe on how to attack the Allies. Lowpe has great imagination and strategic vision. If you have time you should read Lowpe's AARs too. He has one for each side going on ATM, and the Allied one has some very unusual strategies to slow down/mess up the crucial first few months of the Japanese game.

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/12/2020 3:57:44 PM   
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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/12/2020 10:10:22 PM   
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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/16/2020 10:39:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have check for Lowpe AAR but what I have found seem to concern stock Scen.2 or Ironman scenarios, so not readily compatible with the DBB-29C PDU off Ed and I are playing and which actually starts on Dec 8th with PH and Clark Field etc. already gone up in smoke and KB hovering to the North of PH.

Btw, by accident due to a hardware change / database hickup, Ed has prepared and sent his first turn using the older version of the DBB scenario - the same we have used for our first game - instead of the latest "vo15" version available on the DaBabes site we had agreed to use.

Main differences seem to concern the OOBs of the PI, Australia and NZ, with biggest change being that Aussie CMF units no longer able to combine into divisions in the latest version, and according to the DaBabes website there are also unspecified "Error Corrections/Cleanups".

After some hectic diplomatic consultations and exchange of the old scenario files we have agreed to continue our new war with the old files.

We have not found any gamestopping database errors in the old files during our first match and we agreed that the OOB changes are not important enough for a redo of the monster turn 1.

I have just returned my orders and am now awaiting the first replay with impatience. I'm sure Ed has picked up lots of tips from AARs to cause major mischief all over the map. Movement arrows I see in China seem to indicate very agressive Japanese opening moves. Will there be a second PH strike as well? A Mersing Gambit? Deep invasions or at least deep KB Raids? I'm bracing for impact!

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/16/2020 3:34:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some of the errors can be pretty subtle. I just found in Stock Scenario 1 that when several of the US APAs get SG radar, the facing is set to 04 Left Side instead of 05 All Sides. Imagine having a radar pointed just to port side!

Similarly, there were CMc minelayers or ACMs that had their mine ammo capacity number placed in the "Armor" column of the devices instead of in the Ammo column. I forget whether it was Japanese or Allied mine vessels, but the effect would be to render the ship unable to load mines since the slot for mine capacity would be undefined.

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/19/2020 11:35:54 PM   
LargeSlowTarget


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Status: offline 		"Nothing would please me better than if they would give me three months and then attack here."
Gen. Douglas MacArthur on the defense of the Philippine Islands, 1940

"No matter what happens, the U.S. Navy is not going to be caught napping."
Frank Knox, 4 December 1941

Dec 08-09, 1941

Be careful what you wish for - you may get it! And the Navy has not been caught napping - it has been caught with pants down...

Guess it is up to me to rally the Allied Forces and prepare for the Japanes onslaught!

First replay and sync bug straight away: B-17s sinking several ships in a port strike on Babeldaop and CA Louisville eating two sub torps near the Gilberts - didn't happen.

Summary:
Relatively good opening turn - no second PH strike, no Mersing gambit, Boise savaging an amphib TF, several Allied pilots gaining multiple kills in the PI.

On the down side, Boise being sunk by late-coming but vengeful covering force, several minelayers sunk en route to destination, small enemy SAGs sinking fleeing Allied ships around the PI, Clark Field runway damage = 70, Luzon, Mindanao, NW Borneo invaded.


Bases invaded:
Amphibious TF 90 offshore of Kuching > Sasebo 1st SNLF, 24th JAAF AF Bn
Amphibious TF 98 offshore of Singkawang > 91st Nav Gd
Amphibious TF 13 offshore of Cotabato > Kure 1st SNLF, Kimura Det, 1st JNAF Coy
Amphibious TF 88 offshore of Laoag > Kanno Det
Amphibious TF 118 offshore of Aparri > 14th Army, 3rd Const Bn, others


Bases lost:
Japanese forces CAPTURE Kota Bharu !!!


Ship losses:
DD Shirakumo is reported to have been sunk by Boise near Tawi Tawi
xAK Meiyo Maru is reported to have been sunk by Boise near Tawi Tawi
xAKL Hidaka Maru is reported to have been sunk by Boise near Tawi Tawi
xAKL Raizan Maru is reported to have been sunk by Boise near Tawi Tawi
xAP Manzyu Maru is reported to have been sunk by Dutch sub near Singora

AVD William B. Preston sinks near Zamboanga > by DD Minegumo, DD Asagumo, DD Ikazuchi, DD Inazuma
MTB 11 sinks at sea > mine hit at Canton
CM Willem v d Zaan sinks near Kuching > by CL Natori, DD Satsuki, DD Minazuki, DD Fumizuki, DD Nagatsuki
Loss of CL Boise is admitted > see combat report below
Loss of DD Scout is admitted > by DD Minazuki near San Fernando
Loss of AG Gold Star is admitted > by DD Ikazuchi near Dumaguete
Loss of CM Kung Wo is admitted > with 3 torps by Nells, near Mersing
Loss of AVP Arend is admitted > ??
Loss of xAKL Dai Tung is admitted > by SS I-157 near Kuantan
Loss of xAKL Dai Lee is admitted > by CL Natori near Laoag
Loss of xAKL Don Jose is admitted > by CA Maya near Busuanga
Loss of xAKL Sagoland is admitted > by CA Ashigara near Busuanga
Loss of xAKL Dona Nati is admitted > by CA Ashigara near Busuanga
Loss of xAK James Lykes is admitted > by DD Asagumo near Lucena
Loss of xAK John Lykes is admitted > by DD Ikazuchi near San Jose
Loss of xAKL Compagnia Filipinas is admitted > by DD Asagumo near Calapan
Loss of xAKL Dos Hermanos is admitted > by SS I-124 near Lubang
Loss of CMc Pro Patria is admitted > by SS I-122 near Singkawang
Loss of AG Albatros is admitted > by CA Ashigara near Tandjoengselor
Loss of HDML P 1 is admitted > by CA Maya near Tandjoengselor
Loss of HDML P 2 is admitted > by DD Hatakaze near Tandjoengselor
Loss of HDML P 3 is admitted > by CA Maya near Tandjoengselor

Boise and Houston had orders to flee full-speed for Balikpapan, hugging the Borneo coast. Houston evaded all contacts and made it. Boise opted for the more glorious way to go.

Too bad, Gold Star and the two Lykes brothers were full of supplies heading for Manila.


Air losses:



1LT Ellis, H.S. of 24th PG/20th PS is credited with kill number 2
1LT Ellis, H.S. of 24th PG/20th PS is credited with kill number 3
COL Grover, O.L of 24th PG/17th PS is credited with kill number 2
1LT Putnam, W.B. of 24th PG/17th PS is credited with kill number 2
MAJ Lynch, T.J. of 24th PG/3rd PS is credited with kill number 2
1LT Cummings, W. of 24th PG/17th PS is credited with kill number 2
1LT Cummings, W. of 24th PG/17th PS is credited with kill number 3
MAJ Lynch, T.J. of 24th PG/3rd PS is credited with kill number 3
COL Grover, O.L of 24th PG/17th PS is credited with kill number 3
1LT Ellis, H.S. of 24th PG/20th PS is credited with kill number 4


Intel:
- 2/9th Infantry Regiment is loaded on a Takasago Maru class xAP moving to Butuan.
- 2/9th Infantry Regiment is loaded on a Buenos Aires Maru class xAP moving to Butuan.
- 3/9th Infantry Regiment is planning for an attack on Lingayen.
> What? 9th Inf Rgt split between Luzon and Mindanao?!?

- a Type KD4 class SS is moving to 117,184
> deep-water hex off Auckland, NZ

- 4/55th Infantry Regiment is loaded on a Japanese TK moving to Kota Bharu
> on a TK? The Japanese shipping shortage must be worse that I thought!

- TBD-1 Devastator sighting report: 7 Japanese ships at 179,110 near Pearl Harbor, speed 19, Moving Southeast
- TBD-1 Devastator sighting report: 6 Japanese ships at 180,108 near Pearl Harbor, speed 12, Moving Southeast
> 3 resp. 1 hex south of PH - Can only be US ships fleeing from PH to hide at Kona and Hilo

- PBY-5 Catalina sighting report: 9 Japanese ships at 167,103 near French Frigate Shoal , Speed 17 , Moving West
> must be KB retiring - good to see!

- Seagull V sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 99,157 near Maryborough, speed 18, Moving Northwest
> Yeah, sure! Bunbaberg isn't far away, that may explain a lot...

- CA Pensacola sights H6K4 Mavis at 136,128 near Tarawa
> Lying in ambush, no indication she has been spotted herself. I'll keep her on station for another turn.


Combat Report Highlights:

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 72,89, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Shinonome, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Shirakumo, Shell hits 22, and is sunk
APD Fuji
APD Hagi
TB Hayabusa
AK Hirokawa Maru
AK Tosan Maru
xAK Syoka Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
xAK Rokko Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Atago Maru, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
xAK Meiyo Maru, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
xAK Santos Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Igasa Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Sasago Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Zyuyo Maru
xAKL Hidaka Maru, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
xAKL Raizan Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Boise, Shell hits 7

Japanese ground losses:
2746 casualties reported
Squads: 36 destroyed, 68 disabled
Non Combat: 74 destroyed, 85 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 28 (16 destroyed, 12 disabled)

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Tawi Tawi at 72,90, Range 22,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Ashigara, Shell hits 1
DD Yamagumo
DD Asakaze
DD Harukaze
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
CL Boise, Shell hits 36, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G3M2 Nell x 36
G4M1 Betty x 25

Allied aircraft
P-35A x 3
P-40B Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-35A: 3 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 5 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed on ground

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 52

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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
G3M2 Nell x 36
G4M1 Betty x 25

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 5
P-35A x 8
P-40B Warhawk x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
G3M2 Nell: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 damaged
P-35A: 1 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40E Warhawk: 5 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 29

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Morning Air attack on Babeldaob , at 90,97

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kosho Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 2000 feet *
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 2000 feet *
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb


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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/20/2020 2:40:35 AM   
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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/20/2020 3:49:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NigelKentarus

Ahhh....Suntory. Suntory Borbon, Suntory Vodka, Suntory Gin, Suntory Scotch, Suntory Etc. Suntory makes it all.

Only Scotland can claim the label "Scotch Whiskey". Santory whiskey is just called Whiskey, I think.

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/22/2020 9:36:07 PM   
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Summary:
Mersing invaded, Force Z annihilated, Allied air strikes ineffective, enemy ashore at Mersing in division strength, paradrops block LOCs in Central Malaya and trap III Corps units north of Kuala Lumpur. More landings in the PI, more merchant ships being hunted down by SAGs and subs.

Ships lost:
DMS W-2 is reported to have been sunk by SS KXI near Singora on Dec 10, 1941
DMS W-5 is reported to have been sunk by Force Z near Mersing on Dec 10, 1941

Loss of BB Prince of Wales on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of BC Repulse on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of CL Danae on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of CL Durban on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of DD Vampire on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of DD Tenedos on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of DD Electra on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of DD Encounter on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of DD Express on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of DD Isis on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted
Loss of xAP Etolin on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted > ??
Loss of xAP Legaspi on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted > by CA Ashigara near Tawi Tawi
Loss of xAP Candioa on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted > by DD Asakaze near Tawi Tawi
Loss of xAKL Circe on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted > by SS I-154 near Palembang
Loss of xAK Ravnaas on Dec 10, 1941 is admitted > by CA Chokai near Davao
Loss of TK Anastasia on Dec 11, 1941 is admitted > by SS I-164 near Oosthaven
Loss of xAKL Isla Filipinas on Dec 11, 1941 is admitted > by DD Harusame near Bataan
PG Asheville sinks at sea > by TB Hayabusa near Balabac
PG Tulsa sinks sinks at sea > by TB Hayabusa near Balabac
xAKL Mauban sinks at sea > ??

Bases lost:
Alor Star is occupied by the Japanese
Japanese forces CAPTURE Laoag !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Cotabato !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Singkawang !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuching !!!

Bases invaded:
Amphibious TF 97 unloading at Mersing
Amphibious TF 88 unloading at Laoag
Amphibious TF 105 unloading at Jesselton
Amphibious TF 138 unloading at Balabac
Amphibious TF 174 offshore of Digos
Amphibious TF 13 offshore of Davao
Amphibious TF 113 offshore of Ternate
Amphibious TF 130 unloading at Sorong
Amphibious TF 114 offshore of Guam

Intel:
Nothing useful

As stated before, the two things I have feared most in the opening days was a second PH strike and a Mersing Gambit. I have kept the reinforced Force Z to the south of Singers just outside Nettie torpedo range from Saigon but within 4 hexes of Mersing, as long as the ground forces in Northern Malaya have not retreated to Singers. The plan was to patrol Mersing at night and spend the day in relative safety further south. I was tempted to send Force Z to Kuching, but decided against it, figuring that the invasion force would not stay around with Force Z still at large.

Well, one of my greatest fear has become true, and everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Leaving Tom Phillips in command of Force Z probably didn't help. Force Z arrived at Mersing at daylight, got bested by the covering force, then savaged by Netties, then finished off by the covering forces.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Mersing at 51,82, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 3, on fire
BB Haruna, Shell hits 2
CA Takao, Shell hits 1
CA Atago, Shell hits 4
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 6
DD Oshio, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Hibiki
DD Shirayuki, Shell hits 1
DMS W-5, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 7, on fire
BC Repulse, Shell hits 7, on fire
CL Danae, Shell hits 5, on fire
CL Dragon, Shell hits 2
CL Durban, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Vampire, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 1
DD Tenedos
DD Electra
DD Encounter, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Express
DD Isis
DD Jupiter, Shell hits 3, on fire

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 4
G3M2 Nell x 36

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 8 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
F1M2 Pete x 10
G3M2 Nell x 9
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Mersing at 51,82, Range 24,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
BB Haruna, Shell hits 1
CA Takao, Shell hits 2
CA Atago
CL Jintsu
DD Oshio, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Michishio
DD Arashio, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hibiki, Shell hits 1
DD Shirayuki

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BC Repulse, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
CL Danae, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Durban, Shell hits 16, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Vampire, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Electra, Shell hits 1
DD Encounter, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Express, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Isis, Shell hits 1, on fire

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Mersing at 51,82, Range 23,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 1
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 1
CA Kumano
DD Maikaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi, Shell hits 1
DD Hagikaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Durban, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Vampire, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
DD Electra, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
DD Encounter, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
DD Express, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
DD Isis, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk



The counter-attacks by the Royal Airforce had not much luck either:

quote:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,82

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
F1M2 Pete x 16
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 6
Blenheim IV x 9
Swordfish I x 8
Vildebeest III x 24
Hudson I x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Swordfish I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Swordfish I: 1 destroyed by flak
Vildebeest III: 6 damaged
Vildebeest III: 1 destroyed by flak
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, on fire
BB Haruna
AV Kamikawa Maru
xAK Tatumiya Maru
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CL Sendai
CA Atago
CA Takao

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Hudson I bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
9 x Hudson I bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
3 x Blenheim IV bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb
10 x Vildebeest III launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
4 x Blenheim IV bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
6 x Blenheim I bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 lb SAP Bomb
12 x Vildebeest III launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo
5 x Swordfish I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Mk XII Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,81

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Yahiko Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim I bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,81

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Tamaki Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim I bombing from 2000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 250 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,82

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
F1M2 Pete x 16
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,82

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
F1M2 Pete x 11
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 5
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 11
Swordfish I x 4
Vildebeest III x 4
Hudson I x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Swordfish I: 3 destroyed
Vildebeest III: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Hudson I: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hudson I: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
xAK Teiyo Maru
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
DD Shikinami
xAK Tamaki Maru, Torpedo hits 1
xAK Ayatosan Maru
xAK Kokai Maru
xAK Arima Maru, on fire
xAK Osaka Maru

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 51,82

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
F1M2 Pete x 10
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 2
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 5
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 17
Vildebeest III x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 2 destroyed
Vildebeest III: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
Vildebeest III: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
DD Isonami
xAK Kenyo Maru
xAK Osaka Maru
xAK Kokai Maru
xAK Asosan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Uranami
xAK Asakasan Maru
CL Sendai


Enemy paratroopers have landed in Central Malaya and successfully blocked the strat-moving brigades from Alor Star just north of Kuala Lumpur. The sacrifice of their paras may turn the Mersing Gambit in to a resounding success for the Japanese.

quote:

Ground combat at Port Dickson (49,80)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 209 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16

Defending force 1864 troops, 14 guns, 54 vehicles, Assault Value = 78

Japanese adjusted assault: 6

Allied adjusted defense: 6

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /2

Defending units:
2/17 Dogra Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
5/2nd Punjab Battalion
2/215th Bty 80th AT Gun Regiment

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Ground combat at Kuala Lumpur (49,79)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 145 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Defending force 4174 troops, 17 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 153

Japanese adjusted assault: 3

Allied adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 8 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(-), preparation(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /2

Defending units:
2nd Malay Battalion
1st Malay Battalion
28th Gurkha Brigade
110th RAF Adv Base Force


Off Balabac, PGs Tulsa and Asheville were escorting merchies from Manila to Batavia when float planes operating from Puerto Princesa reported an enemy TF nearby. Leaving their charges to continue their way, the two PGs were ordered to investigate the contact - to their regret.

quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Balabac at 70,83, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Nako Maru #2, Shell hits 1
xAK Kaiko Maru, Shell hits 3
xAP Kobe Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PG Asheville
PG Tulsa, Shell hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Balabac at 69,83, Range 17,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
TB Hayabusa, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PG Asheville, Shell hits 13, heavy fires
PG Tulsa, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage

A division of four-pipers fleeing from Manila in direction of Balikpapan and diverted to investigate the invasion of Cotabato and then retire to Kendari had much more luck:

quote:


Day Time Surface Combat, near Sangi at 77,96, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Edo Maru
xAK Hasuna Maru
xAK Meigen Maru
xAK Yamafuku Maru
xAKL Kakyu Maru
xAKL Hitora Maru
xAKL Higari Maru

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford
DD Peary
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope

Japanese Amphibious TF evades combat

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Manado at 76,98, Range 26,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo
CA Myoko
CA Haguro
DD Kuroshio
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio
DD Hayashio
DD Amatsukaze

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford
DD Peary
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 25,000 yards
Japanese TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 26,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 26,000 yards
CVL Ryujo screened from combat
- escorted by DD Natsushio
Range increases to 28,000 yards
CVL Ryujo screened from combat
CA Myoko engages DD John D. Ford at 28,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Manado at 75,99

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 5
B5N1 Kate x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Pillsbury
DD Peary
DD Pope
DD John D. Ford

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

Night Time Surface Combat, near Ternate at 78,102, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford
DD Peary
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms with 46% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 46% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Yamakaze at 2,000 yards
DD Yamakaze engages DD John D. Ford at 2,000 yards
Task forces break off...





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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/24/2020 3:29:30 PM   
Bif1961


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Status: offline 		looks like your aircraft counter-attacking the landing at Mersing went in unescorted and therefore suffered heavily losses for little return. It would have been interested if you could war game the Mersing landing with and admiral for TF-Z other than Tom Thumb at the helm.

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/24/2020 5:08:14 PM   
Q-Ball


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Status: offline 		No Buffalos available to escort those strikes at Mersing? That was likely decisive. Looks like you had all your Buffalos on LRCAP over Force Z.

You can get AVG down to Singapore by Dec 10th, by transiting via Victoria Point, Northern Malaya, etc. That might've really helped alot, though probably not enough to change the outcome

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/26/2020 2:39:24 PM   
LargeSlowTarget


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From: Hessen, Germany - now living in France
Status: offline 		Yes, I have put all Buffalos on LRCAP over Force Z - for naught. I could not get AVG to Singers by Dec 10th - we are playing two-day-turns, doubles the time needed for hopping down via Tavoy anmd Georgetown. Plus I have spent the PPs for other things than unlocking the two restricted AVG units - they are training units for the time being.

I have opted instead to pull all good pilots from all US fighter groups on the map - AVG included - and teleported them to the PI (a bit unrealistic but the Japanese can do the same thing so what the heck). Also put the best air leaders in the PI fighter squadrons and have sent them and all AV support to Manila. All airframes repaired by now and CAP set to 40% at 15k - but Ed has not made any daylight attacks on Manila yet. Hope he will get a surprise.

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/26/2020 2:51:14 PM   
LargeSlowTarget


Posts: 4443
Joined: 9/23/2000
From: Hessen, Germany - now living in France
Status: offline 		Dec 12-13, 1941

Summary:
Aussies at Mersing hold first ground attack. KB bombing Wake, two Mini-KBs and SAGs and subs hunting fleeing merchantships.
Enemy night air attacks against Manila and Singers, daylight bombings of HongKong and various ground targets in Malaya and China.

Ground:
- Surprisingly weak ground attack for the forces involved at Mersing repulsed by the Australians - apparently the enemy units are not at full strength or have only participated in part?

quote:

Ground combat at Mersing (51,82)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4294 troops, 54 guns, 94 vehicles, Assault Value = 517

Defending force 6417 troops, 95 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 167

Japanese adjusted assault: 126

Allied adjusted defense: 215

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
218 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
22nd Recon Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
34th Field AA Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
22nd Australian Brigade
27th Australian Brigade
113th RAF Adv Base Force


- Japanese paratroopers at Kuala Lumpur and Port Dickson hold against counter-attacks while the brigades from Northern Malaya de-train and march to the sound of the guns.
- ground attack at Guam by elements of the II/66th Nav Gd - too weak to impress the defending base force personnel.
- Chinese forces in full retreat from the central plains to more defensible terrain.

Bases lost:
Davao is occupied by the Japanese
Vigan is occupied by the Japanese
Japanese forces CAPTURE Digos !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Balabac !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Jesselton !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Victoria Point !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Ternate !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Sorong !!!

Bases invaded:
Amphibious Assault at Morotai
Amphibious Assault at Naga


Sea:

Ship losses:
Loss of TK Havfru on Dec 12, 1941 is admitted > by SS I-154 near Palembang
Loss of TK Francol on Dec 12, 1941 is admitted > by SS I-166 near Batavia
Loss of AO Trinity on Dec 12, 1941 is admitted > by CruDes-TF near Catbalogan
Loss of xAP Don Esteban on Dec 12, 1941 is admitted > fleeing from Manila for the US, sunk by carrier air near Iwo-jima - apparently Zuiho and Hosho heading south.
Loss of xAP Candesa on Dec 12, 1941 is admitted > sunky by carrier air near Davao, apparently Ryujo operating between Mindanao and Kendari.
Loss of xAKL Anakan on Dec 12, 1941 is admitted > by DDs near Peleliu
Loss of TK Paula on Dec 13, 1941 is admitted > by SS I-162 near Bandjermasin
Loss of xAKL Bintoehan on Dec 13, 1941 is admitted > by carrier air near Morotai - Ryujo again.
Loss of xAKL Luzon on Dec 13, 1941 is admitted > by carrier air near Morotai - Ryujo once more.

- AMC Cap des Palmes heavily damaged by sub RO-68 near Funafuti, survival in doubt. The ship was heading to pick-up troops at Nauru.
- numerous TFs containing the larger, long-ranged merchant ships are fleeing the PI in direction of the US via the Bonins - Marianas gap. One TF got mauled by carrier air and another ran into some PBs but managed to escape. The Japanese will surely assign more assets to the area - I hope the important ships - Langley, sub-tenders, tankers - can get away.
- US subs with poor commanders are being pressed into transporting supplies from Tarakan to Manila, pending PPs to change commanders and better torpedoes.
- KB has uncloaked off Wake Island, bombing the ground forces - invasion pending I guess.
- CA Louisville and CA Pensacola have been recalled to Pago-Pago from their ambush positions in the Gilberts.
- The base force on exposed Canton Is. has been evacuated by one of the APs from the Louisville convoy, it will redeploy to a new "stepping stone" further south.
- Fewer submarines spotted around PH, Lexington and Enterprise called back from waiting area SE of Hilo to PH in order to refuel and collect their air-groups which had flown-off to reinforce PH on Day 1. They will continue training for the time being.


Air:
- B-17s operating from Cagayan bombed ground forces at Cotabato unopposed last turn but ran into Zeros this turn, losing 3 - surprised Ed is using precious Zeros for some local action instead of sweeping Singers and/or Manila.
- night bombing of Khota Baru by Hudsons from Singers, one Nell destroyed on ground > ships operating around Singers and Palembang will be at the mercy of Netties!


Intel:
3/9th Infantry Regiment is planning for an attack on Lingayen.
5/20th Infantry Regiment is loaded on a Gozan Cargo class xAK moving to Naga.
55th Cavalry Regiment is planning for an attack on Moulmein.
144th Infantry Regiment is loaded on a Std-C Cargo class xAK moving to Truk.
2/56th Infantry Regiment is loaded on a Takasago Maru class xAP moving to Kota Bharu.

No surprises - more forces heading for Luzon and Malaya, preparing moves in direction of Burma and Rabaul - and beyond?


General:
- The loss of Force Z has sent shockwaves throughout the Pacific. Orders to implement "Operation Sir Robin" have been given to assets in Malaya, the DEI and places as far as Rabaul, Burma and even Ceylon.
- numerous convoys of oilers, tankers, freighters and transports have left San Diego carrying fuel, supplies and troops to reinforce the South Pacific area and Australia. Priority is given to secure and set-up a refueling depot in the deep South Pacific and to secure Pago-Pago. When more forces become available, I will secure the Fijis next and then New Caledonia - but I fear I will bump into the Japanese at one place or another.



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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/26/2020 5:01:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		It appears operation Sir Robin is aptly named - everything is going south for the winter...

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RE: "We want the big ones!" DBB-C vs IdahoNYe... - 11/29/2020 3:53:20 PM   
LargeSlowTarget


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From: Hessen, Germany - now living in France
Status: offline 		Dec 14-15, 1941

Summary:

Wake, Guam, HongKong lost - all expected. Mersing falls as well - this is a problem!


Land war:

Bases invaded:
Amphibious Assault at Manus
Amphibious TF 49 unloading at Butuan
Fast Transport TF 128 unloading at Manokwari

Bases lost:
Japanese forces CAPTURE Mersing !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Naga !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Wake Island !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Morotai !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Guam !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Hong Kong !!!
Itbayat Island is occupied by the Japanese
Kwangchowan is occupied by the Japanese


The valiant Aussies at Mersing - bombed, bombarded and outnumbered - could not hold and have been pushed back with heavy losses.

quote:

Ground combat at Mersing (51,82)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12753 troops, 110 guns, 136 vehicles, Assault Value = 509

Defending force 6152 troops, 95 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 146

Japanese adjusted assault: 382

Allied adjusted defense: 79

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Mersing !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
185 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units pursuing 2

Allied ground losses:
2425 casualties reported
Squads: 54 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 76 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 49 (46 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (13 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
12th Engineer Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
22nd Recon Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
34th Field AA Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
84th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
22nd Australian Brigade
27th Australian Brigade
113th RAF Adv Base Force


Enemy units are advancing from Mersing to Kluang and Johore Baru, I have ordered the available forces at those bases - the Aussie remnants and a few Infantry Batallions of the local garrisons - to counterattack in the direction of Mersing. Maybe this sacfrifical move can buy enough time for the units further north to reach Kluong in time to avoid being cut-off.

The Japanes Paras at Kuala Lumpur and Port Dickson have been destroyed or wiped out by attrition:

quote:

Ground combat at Port Dickson (49,80)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1837 troops, 14 guns, 54 vehicles, Assault Value = 73

Defending force 244 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Allied adjusted assault: 41

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 41 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Cavalry Regiment
2/17 Dogra Battalion
5/2nd Punjab Battalion
2/215th Bty 80th AT Gun Regiment

Defending units:
Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /2


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Ground combat at Kuala Lumpur (49,79)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3980 troops, 43 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 244

Defending force 231 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Allied adjusted assault: 184

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 184 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
293 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (9 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Indian Brigade
1st Malay Battalion
2nd Malay Battalion
28th Gurkha Brigade
109th RAF Adv Base Force
110th RAF Adv Base Force
137/155th Field Regiment

Defending units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /2


All Allied units in Central Malaya have been ordered to move south as fast as possible. Some will board trains, others will march and drive. The Royal Air Force will continue ground attack missions next turn trying to slow the Mersing breakout and has requested help from the Dutch and the Americans. Even the only remaining surface naval asset at Singers- gunboat Herald - is being sent to bombard Mersing. The issue is very much in doubt.


At sea:

SS O19 lays minefield at Mersing ( 51 , 82) and sets course for Singapore

SS Sturgeon launches 4 torpedoes at CA Suzuya near Cam Ranh Bay and misses...

TK Djirak sunk by SS I-162 near Balikpapan
xAKL Pahang sunk by SS I-153 near Palembang
TK Gulfdawn sunk by SS RO-65 near Canton Island
xAK Bantam sunk by SS I-153 near Palembang
xAK American Leader sinks....
AO Ramapo sunk by SS I-26 near San Francisco

SC Ch 18 is reported to have been sunk by SS S-40 near Laoag on Dec 14, 1941
xAK Kizan Maru is reported to have been sunk by torpedo-totting PBYs near Naga on Dec 14, 1941
xAKL Fukkai Maru is reported to have been sunk by SS S-39 near Naga on Dec 14, 1941

The Dutch Navy, the US Asiatic Fleet and what remains of the Royal Navy have gone hiding. A few more British and Commonwealth ships are heading towards the DEI to join them. Maybe we can gather enough striking power to spring a surprise against one of the invasions that must come sooner or later at Menando, Ambon, Kendari, Koepang.

The US Pacific Fleet is licking its wounds, ships scheduled to upgrade in January have left PH for the West Coast, the rest is repairing sys and engine damage from the high-speed getaway runs in case KB had elected to stay near PH. After the fall of Wake, no idea where KB will go next. What I know for sure is that I am not going to look for it with Buffalos and Devastators on mmy carriers!

Air war:

Heavy bombing of my ground forces at HongKong and Mersing and lighter attacks at other places in Malaya and China.

The entire Royal Air Force at Singers had been switched to ground attack missions in support of the Australians at Mersing - in vain, enemy CAP prevents effective attacks:

quote:

Morning Air attack on 114th Infantry Regiment, at 51,82 (Mersing)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 2

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 20
Blenheim IV x 6
Buffalo I x 39
Vildebeest III x 18
Hudson I x 17
Wirraway x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 damaged
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed by flak
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed
Hudson I: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Manila has also been hit hard. I would like to know what Ed is feeding his pilots - when I played the Japanese, my pilots couldn't hit targets the size of a city at night...

quote:

Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
O-47A: 5 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-4 Catalina: 15 damaged
PBY-4 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
P-35A: 2 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 7 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 13 damaged
P-26A: 3 damaged
PBY-4 Catalina: 3 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb



With several fighters damaged or destroyed and pilots deprived of sleep, the enemy sweep next morning faced desultory opposition - I expected more from the best pilots and leaders the US Army Air Force has to offer.

quote:

Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 4
P-35A x 4
P-40B Warhawk x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed
P-35A: 1 destroyed
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 2
P-35A x 4
P-40B Warhawk x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed
P-35A: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
P-35A x 2
P-40B Warhawk x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-35A: 1 destroyed
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed



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Even a small fragment at Mersing could slow down his attackers.

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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

looks like your aircraft counter-attacking the landing at Mersing went in unescorted and therefore suffered heavily losses for little return. It would have been interested if you could war game the Mersing landing with and admiral for TF-Z other than Tom Thumb at the helm.

I did that in a stock game - not against a Mersing landing but further up the peninsula, where they nearly had a battle IRL. It did not go well - the Kongos scored hit after hit while the PoW and Repulse struggled to get any hits back on them. Then the cruisers came in and spewed a flock of long lances - end of battle. I don't recall a single Force Z ship escaping. I concluded that the IJN edge in experience (and probably a better DL on Force Z) was just too much to overcome with a good leader.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Remember, the navy can bombard and even invade at Jahore Baru.

Even a small fragment at Mersing could slow down his attackers.


A counter-landing at Mersing would be nice, but I don't have the necessary forces for a meaningful counterlanding, and just sending a fragment for a sacrifical spoiling attack would be taking advantage of the game engine - too gamey for my taste.

Concerning the bombardment option - Netties are operating from Kota Bharu and can reach far to the south of Singers - after the disaster with ineffective LRCAP over Force Z I'm hesitant to risk my remaining naval assets within Netty range again.

@BBfanboy - That a different leader probably wouldn't have made a difference provides a small dose of comfort and consolation

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Summary:
The Japanese continue to expand in Malaya, the Philippines and both ends of New Guinea. Chinese forces suffer multiple setbacks.

Bases lost:

Japanese forces CAPTURE San Fernando !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Butuan !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Cagayan !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Georgetown !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Manokwari !!!
Japanese forces CAPTURE Manus !!!
Calayan is occupied by the Japanese
Legaspi is occupied by the Japanese


Bases invaded:

Amphibious Assault at Puerto Princesa
Amphibious Assault at Talaud-eilanden
Amphibious Assault at Kuantan


Ships lost:

xAKL Bidelia sunk by SS RO-67 near Port Moresby
xAKL Lepus sunk by CL Nagara near Roxas
TK La Estrella Caltex sunk by DD Tokitsukaze near Cebu
YO-41 sunk by DD Tokitsukaze near Cebu
YO-42 sunk by CL Nagara near Cebu
AO Patoka sunk by SS I-1 near San Diego
xAKL Pacific sunk by SS I-5 near Cold Bay
xAK Johanne Justesen sunk by SS RO-67 near Port Moresby > the ship carried part of the Rabaul Base Force, the last unit to be evacuated from Rabaul


Naval actions:

The remnants of the Royal Navy and the Dutch subs do everything possible to give the Army a chance to win the race to Singers:

quote:

DM Thracian lays minefield at Mersing ( 51 , 82) and sets course for Singapore
SS O19 lays minefield at Mersing ( 51 , 82) and sets course for Singapore
SS O20 lays minefield at Mersing ( 51 , 82) and sets course for Singapore
Night Naval bombardment of Mersing at 51,82 - PG Herald firing at 3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment


Japanese submarines are active off San Francisco and San Diego. They are successful despite PBYs on naval search and four ASW task forces, two on patrol at sea and two with reaction orders at port. To add injury to insult, the subs are picking off the most valuable targets - one AO each off SF and SD. Some LBA is training ASW but it will be a loong time before pilots will be able to tell subs from whales. Number of available airframes is also pretty limited for the moment.


Air actions:

The "low CAP against high sweep" doesn't seem to work, I have changed the altitude of the Manila CAP from 5k-8k to 20k-22k and get much better results:

quote:

Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 2
P-35A x 3
P-40B Warhawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed
P-35A: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 2
P-35A x 3
P-40B Warhawk x 4
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet

MAJ Boyington, G. of 24th PG/3rd PS is credited with kill number 2 - only 26 to go...


The Royal Airforce, the Dutch bombers and a handful of B-17Ds - which have migrated from Cagayan to Batavia just in time - continue to fly ground attack missions against Mersing in the hope of slowing down the breakout. Losses are heavy, esp. among the Dutch. It is difficult to justify the losses with the results reported - one squad, two non-combat devices and one engineer disabled. The Japanese are also ground bombing my troops at Port Dickson, Kluong and Malacca and cause disablements by the dozens - but have not forced any of my units out of move mode yet. So I doubt that my less effective attacks have any impact on the speed of advance of the Japanes troops.




Ground war:

In Malaya the race is still on, but I have little hope my troops will make it. The Japanese have one hex to march over a secondary road, my troops have a main road but need to cover four hexes. A glimmer of hope is the advance of two battalions - the 1st Manchester and the 2nd Argylls - from Johore Bahru to Mersing which are a few miles short of Mersing and may throw a wrench into the works - if the Japanese force marching from Mersing to Johore doesn't get there first.

In China, the Japanese are advancing in the direction of Changsha, Nanyang and Sian. Two divisions have routed an entire Army defending the route between Wuchang and Changsha.


quote:

Ground combat at 83,52 (near Changsha)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23961 troops, 204 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 694

Defending force 22865 troops, 119 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 474

Japanese adjusted assault: 445

Allied adjusted defense: 177

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
651 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
10354 casualties reported
Squads: 344 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 363 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 11 (9 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
6th Division
40th Division

Defending units:
37th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
27th Group Army


In the north, a Corps retreating through the mountains has been convinced to expedite movement as well:

quote:

Ground combat at 91,39 (near Chengting)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6371 troops, 38 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 198

Defending force 1439 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 45

Japanese adjusted assault: 199

Allied adjusted defense: 7

Japanese assault odds: 28 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
785 casualties reported
Squads: 28 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 32 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th Armored Car Co

Defending units:
83rd Chinese Corps



An attempt to counter-attack an exposed enemy unit has failed miserably - how many Chinese Corps does it take to match one Japanese division? It looks I don't have enough Corps to fight the 20-odd divisions the Japanese have in China...

quote:

Ground combat at 82,47 (near Ichang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 40315 troops, 188 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1428

Defending force 12831 troops, 104 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 399

Allied adjusted assault: 551

Japanese adjusted defense: 1483

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
154 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1397 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 174 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled

Assaulting units:
68th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
26th Group Army

Defending units:
34th Division



Finally, an attempt in maneuver warfare has failed miserable as well. I wanted to slip a roadblock behind the advance elements south of Yenan - the yellow "X" in the screenshot. The hex seemed empty but an enemy division appeared just as the maneuver element made the river crossing...

quote:

Ground combat at 90,40 (near Taiyuan)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 494 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 16

Defending force 11344 troops, 98 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 345

Assault collapses, attacking force wiped out

Allied ground losses:
267 casualties reported
Squads: 33 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
23rd Chinese/C Corps

Defending units:
37th Division


There are also attempts at guerilla warfare in the Kaifeng-Suchow-Tsinan area but it looks like Ed has forces available to deal with this as well.

Finally, my inept attempt to withdraw forces through Sinyang - I just can't seem to master the hex side control rules - has led to the creation of a pocket at that base. A maneuver element is trying to open an escape route, but enemy units already threaten the planned escape corridor...




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1. They are in very good defensive terrain - wooded rough or mountains.
2. They get their experience level up in the high 40s, lower 50s. You may have to turn off replacements to do this because newbies dilute the experience level. If you are playing the map with stacking limits it is better to have fewer experienced troops than a massive overstack of recruits.
3. They get a good leader with 50+ Ground skill and the best Inspiration skill you can get.
4. They are augmented by an anti-tank gun unit, and maybe an AA unit. Those can both be flown in from India.
5. Enough supply for occasional combat.

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