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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 1:14:26 AM   
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Turn 4. Mar/Apr 1940. End of Turn. Victory Totals.




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:15:37 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Start of Turn.

1/10/21, 5:55 PM - [Axis]: modify lending from Germany to Italy. 2 resources, no oil minimum
1/10/21, 5:55 PM - [Allied]: copy.
1/10/21, 5:56 PM - [Axis]: If Axis win initiative, ALLIES will move first
1/10/21, 5:56 PM - [Allied]: Ok.
1/10/21, 6:28 PM - [Allied]: I'm going to go ahead and grab dinner before finishing up to the first impulse of this (MJ40) turn.
1/10/21, 6:28 PM - [Allied]: Based on your instructions and my intentions for the initiative the allies will be moving first.
1/10/21, 6:29 PM - [Allied]: If I win I will elect to move first and per your instructions if you win you will move second.
1/10/21, 6:30 PM - [Allied]: I will follow through this evening to the start of the impulse but won't make my moves until tomorrow.
1/10/21, 6:30 PM - [Allied]: So for gaming that's pretty much it for me tonight. Good evening and talk to you tomorrow. 🤓
1/10/21, 6:51 PM - [Axis]: good evening
1/10/21, 7:26 PM - [Allied]: Resource Lending. Changes.
(1) Germany to Italy. Changed 1 oil & 1 non-oil (2 RPs tot) to 2 non-oil.
(2) France stops 1 non-oil to China w/Burma road shut down.
(3) US stops 1 non-oil to China for same reason.
1/10/21, 7:27 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/10/21, 7:27 PM - [Allied]: Initiative. Rolls coming up.
1/10/21, 7:29 PM - [Allied]: Axis=8+1, Allied=4. Axis (again) win the initiative and elect to move second. That is, elect to have the allies move first.




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:16:19 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1.

1/10/21, 7:30 PM - [Allied]: Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. Weather.
1/10/21, 7:31 PM - [Allied]: D10=4, Fine everywhere except for rain in the North Monsoon.
1/10/21, 7:32 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 9:59 AM - [Allied]: Morning. ☕
1/11/21, 9:59 AM - [Axis]: Morning
1/11/21, 10:00 AM - [Allied]: Both CW and France will take a naval.




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:23:29 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 10:38 AM - [Allied]: Port Strike. Blehheim (1 air-to-sea) on Italian TRS & subs in Tropoli.
1/11/21, 10:42 AM - [Allied]: Italian=5, RN=5; Results in risk=A.
RAF will put A risk on RM sub group 5046 (3-5-8).
1/11/21, 10:43 AM - [Allied]: d10=2, sub 5046 aborted.
1/11/21, 10:43 AM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 11:04 AM - [Allied]: Playing whack a mole with MWiF allied convoys and production!
1/11/21, 11:05 AM - [Axis]: Don't do that!
1/11/21, 11:10 AM - [Allied]: Ok I got what I want in terms of production. Not so sure in specific convoy lines but close enough. That is, until you go and scramble my convoy lines.
1/11/21, 11:11 AM - [Allied]: Reminds me of the Elton John/Kiki Dee song from the 70's, "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" except adapted for our game, "Don't Go Breaking My Convoy Lines".
1/11/21, 11:12 AM - [Axis]: HaHa
1/11/21, 11:44 AM - [Allied]: With the exception of the whack a mole with convoy lines and production, I do much enjoy the MWiF naval aspect. I know you're violently opposed to in the presence, I do like the naval with that and the LOS optional rules. I'm just having to adjust my naval calculations for playing w/o in the presence, which is fine. 👍
1/11/21, 11:46 AM - [Allied]: But I do enjoy the naval portion of the game. But, this joy could easily turn to pain depending on what happens in the upcoming, and future, clashes with axis ships and subs. 😀
1/11/21, 11:47 AM - [Allied]: Just finished both the British and French naval moves.
1/11/21, 11:47 AM - [Axis]: HeHe




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:24:24 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 11:51 AM - [Allied]: Three Sea Areas for potential conflict: (1) East Med, (2) North Sea & (3) Italian Coast. The allies will attempt to initiate in both: (2) & (3). You may initiate in (1).
1/11/21, 11:51 AM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 11:52 AM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 11:52 AM - [Allied]: North Sea: French CA Algerie (0-box) is flipped to initiate.
1/11/21, 11:53 AM - [Axis]: Commit the German sub
1/11/21, 11:53 AM - [Allied]: No air reactions by the allies.
1/11/21, 11:54 AM - [Axis]: no air reactions from Axis
1/11/21, 11:54 AM - [Allied]: copy. No air reactions by axis and Germany commits her u-boat flotilla.
1/11/21, 11:55 AM - [Allied]: Ok. The all important search rolls coming up.
1/11/21, 11:56 AM - [Allied]: RN/French=6, KM=9, neither side finds (allies miss by 1!).
1/11/21, 11:59 AM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:24:58 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 11:59 AM - [Allied]: Now off to the Italian Coast. French BB Strasbourg will flip to initiate.
1/11/21, 12:00 PM - [Allied]: No air reactions possible for the allies.
Axis have options.
1/11/21, 12:02 PM - [Allied]: (1) German Hs123 in Genoa (1 a2s) up to 0-box
(2) German He 112 FTR2in Genoa up to 1-box
(3) Italian Macchi in Genoa FTR2 up to 0-box
(3) Italian Re2000 FTR2 in Sicily up to 1-box
1/11/21, 12:02 PM - [Allied]: Reactions?
1/11/21, 12:03 PM - [Axis]: machi to 0
1/11/21, 12:03 PM - [Allied]: copy
1/11/21, 12:05 PM - [Allied]: Search rolls coming.
1/11/21, 12:06 PM - [Allied]: French=8, Italian=7, neither find.





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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:25:28 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 12:07 PM - [Axis]: no search in East Med for Axis
1/11/21, 12:07 PM - [Allied]: East Med (see cap above), do you wish to attempt to initiate?
1/11/21, 12:07 PM - [Allied]: copy
1/11/21, 12:07 PM - [Allied]: Well that certainly was anti-climatic from the naval side of this impulse.
1/11/21, 12:08 PM - [Axis]: yep




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:26:40 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 12:08 PM - [Allied]: Now comes strategic bombing
1/11/21, 12:08 PM - [Axis]: Wake me up when it's over
1/11/21, 12:08 PM - [Allied]: Wow ... sleepy or unconcerned? 😀
1/11/21, 12:09 PM - [Axis]: I'm forcing myself to go to sleep because I feel sick
1/11/21, 12:10 PM - [Allied]: I certainty can understand. It will be another all out allied (RAF/French/Soviet) attack on German oil.
1/11/21, 12:13 PM - [Allied]: Strategic Bombing.
(1) RAF Wellesley (2 strat) vs Oil 51,36.
(2) French Le0 451 extended range (4 strat/2=2) vs Oil 56,40
(3) USSR SB-2 (1 strat), IL-4 (4 strat), IL-4 (4 strat), Pe-8 TB-7 (5 strat) (14 strat total) vs Ploesti.
1/11/21, 12:13 PM - [Allied]: No intercept of any possible by axis.
1/11/21, 12:14 PM - [Allied]: Strat rolls coming.
1/11/21, 12:20 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 12:22 PM - [Allied]: (1) RAF=9+1=10 (1 oil), (2) French=4+1 (miss) & (3) USSR=7+1=8 (2 of 2 undamaged oil, neither damaged).




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:27:57 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 12:25 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 12:27 PM - [Allied]: French Potez 631 F/B (3 TAC, 2 a2a) attempting ground strike on 3-stack (von Leeg, arm corps & arty div). You have two Bf 109 (both 5 a2a & 2 tac) in position to intercept. Intercept?
1/11/21, 12:28 PM - [Axis]: intercept with Northern most fighter
1/11/21, 12:28 PM - [Allied]: copy
1/11/21, 12:29 PM - [Allied]: Air-to-Air. Round 1. +3 Axis, -3 Allied. 2D10 x 2 rolls up coming.
1/11/21, 12:30 PM - [Allied]: Scratch that, German 2D10 roll upcoming.
1/11/21, 12:31 PM - [Allied]: 2d10=19, not good for the allies. French bomber shot down and PIL killed.
1/11/21, 12:32 PM - [Allied]: French 2d10=9, no German bomber to clear. Clear Luftwaffe victory.
Return German fighter where?
1/11/21, 12:33 PM - [Axis]: whence
1/11/21, 12:34 PM - [Allied]: copy






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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:29:22 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 12:35 PM - [Allied]: I think I've run across a bug.
1/11/21, 12:36 PM - [Allied]: I do have a workaround to propose but first let me show you what I'm seeing.
1/11/21, 12:36 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 12:37 PM - [Allied]: So the Soviets rolled high enough to knock out all 3 of the Ploesti oil, but since there was only 2 undamaged they only knocked out 2.
1/11/21, 12:38 PM - [Allied]: Looks like MWiF is counting the "damaged" oil as 1 of the 2 knocked out and leaving #3 oil alone.
1/11/21, 12:38 PM - [Allied]: The workaround I propose is to idle that 3rd oil point to workaround this bug. Are you ok with this?
1/11/21, 12:39 PM - [Allied]: Also, I will file a bug report in the tech section.
1/11/21, 12:40 PM - [Allied]: Let me check if this bug is in the latest. If not then I work through using that version; otherwise I'll post a bug report.
1/11/21, 12:41 PM - [Axis]: i will deal with it later
1/11/21, 12:42 PM - [Allied]: thanks.
1/11/21, 12:42 PM - [Axis]: please proceed
1/11/21, 12:50 PM - [Allied]: The bug is present in the latest version too. So I'll post a bug report on it after I finish my impulse.






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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:30:33 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 12:59 PM - [Allied]: Do 17Z has been overrun and forced to rebase.
1/11/21, 12:59 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 12:59 PM - [Allied]: Rebase to where?






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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 7:31:40 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Allied #1. (Continued).

1/11/21, 1:01 PM - [Allied]: I'll rebase him to Bucharest for now. Can move him elsewhere if you wish.
1/11/21, 1:02 PM - [Allied]: Look like that would put him out of supply
1/11/21, 1:02 PM - [Allied]: Is that right?
1/11/21, 1:03 PM - [Allied]: I'll go ahead and proceed with putting him in Bucharest and we can fix it later if necessary.
1/11/21, 1:03 PM - [Axis]: Don't put him there
1/11/21, 1:03 PM - [Axis]: On top of the HQ west of Bulgaria
1/11/21, 1:04 PM - [Allied]: copy.
1/11/21, 1:06 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 1:07 PM - [Allied]: I thought the Germans could draw supply from Bucharest. But apparently they can't. Is this correct?
1/11/21, 1:07 PM - [Axis]: Yes, that is correct
1/11/21, 1:08 PM - [Allied]: Another rules question: Can German units move into and retake hexes captured by the Soviets in Romania?
1/11/21, 1:09 PM - [Axis]: I don't believe the rules prohibit that...I am not 100% certain
1/11/21, 1:11 PM - [Allied]: I guess we'll soon find out ... or at least what Steve (i.e., MWiF) believes that to be.
1/11/21, 1:21 PM - [Allied]: <Media omitted>
1/11/21, 1:21 PM - [Allied]: back to you for MJ40, axis #2 impulse.
1/11/21, 1:28 PM - [Allied]: Time for a potty break for the dogs.
1/11/21, 1:28 PM - [Axis]: Unfortunately, I'm having to do a bit of work before I can get to it
1/11/21, 1:34 PM - [Allied]: No worry/no problem. Get to the game when you can. I have more than enough to keep me "busy".
1/11/21, 1:34 PM - [Allied]: Including a late lunch. 🥪
1/11/21, 2:00 PM - [Allied]: FYI: Posted a rules question on WiF groups.io board and verified the answer in MWiF. Bottom line is that German and/or Italian units (peacekeepers) cannot enter Soviet controlled hexes even in Romania until a Romania unit recaptures those hexes.
1/11/21, 2:01 PM - [Axis]: ok, thx



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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:02:55 PM   
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I am interested to know if the Germans can enter the Russian controlled hexes in Rumania. By my reading of the rules, German units may not enter those hexes, but Rumanian units can. Once the Rumanians do, then they are Rumanian controlled, and Germans could then enter.

Is this what MWiF does? This is not a situation that comes up often, so probably has not been tested as much as other rules do.

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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:07:06 PM   
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As for German supply in Rumania: Bucharest is a secondary supply source for German units, and a primary one for Rumanians. Thus Rumanian units can simply trace supply to it. German units can trace supply to Bucharest, but then Bucharest must trace back to a German primary supply source.

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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:11:00 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2.

1/11/21, 2:57 PM - [Axis]: Land actions for Japan and Germany. Combined for Italy
1/11/21, 2:57 PM - [Axis]: intercept (Italian Coast)
1/11/21, 2:57 PM - [Allied]: Yes please.
1/11/21, 3:00 PM - [Axis]: miss
1/11/21, 3:05 PM - [Axis]: they stay in zone




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:12:04 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Continued).

1/11/21, 3:06 PM - [Axis]: East Med
1/11/21, 3:06 PM - [Axis]: Italy will initiate here
1/11/21, 3:06 PM - [Allied]: copy






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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:12:49 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Continued).

1/11/21, 3:07 PM - [Axis]: only allies find
1/11/21, 3:08 PM - [Allied]: wow ... need to look at this.
1/11/21, 3:08 PM - [Allied]: argh ...
1/11/21, 3:08 PM - [Allied]: avoid please.
1/11/21, 3:08 PM - [Axis]: ok
1/11/21, 3:09 PM - [Allied]: Tempting but not willing to take the risk to my CP lines flowing through the Med.






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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:13:38 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Continued).

1/11/21, 3:09 PM - [Axis]: Italian Coast, initiate?
1/11/21, 3:09 PM - [Allied]: Yes please.
1/11/21, 3:11 PM - [Axis]: miss






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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:14:15 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Continued).

1/11/21, 3:13 PM - [Axis]: ground strike, intercept?
1/11/21, 3:14 PM - [Allied]: No intercept.




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:19:53 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Continued).

1/11/21, 5:15 PM - [Axis]: Intercept this paradrop?
1/11/21, 5:15 PM - [Axis]: I can counter with the 109
1/11/21, 5:16 PM - [Axis]: I have 33 total factors in the attack before the paradrop, so odds are currently 33-10
1/11/21, 5:16 PM - [Allied]: Intercept please.
1/11/21, 5:18 PM - [Axis]: Allies score DX, fighter chosen
1/11/21, 5:19 PM - [Axis]: Axis score AA
1/11/21, 5:19 PM - [Axis]: where to?
1/11/21, 5:21 PM - [Axis]: Paris?
1/11/21, 5:22 PM - [Allied]: Yes please.






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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:20:58 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Continued).

1/11/21, 5:25 PM - [Axis]: include notional?
1/11/21, 5:27 PM - [Axis]: I'm gonna be away making dinner for a while. You also will have the artillery you can use as well as HQ support to decide on. Since the Para got thru it's 37-10 right now
1/11/21, 5:28 PM - [Allied]: Don't use notional
1/11/21, 5:30 PM - [Allied]: No to both arty and HQ support.
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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:25:12 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Continued).

1/11/21, 7:04 PM - [Axis]: Assumed you'd take the French cavalry as loss.
1/11/21, 7:33 PM - [Allied]: good choice, thanks.




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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:27:29 PM   
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Turn 5. May/June 1940. Axis #2. (Concluded).

1/11/21, 6:57 PM - [Axis]: land combat in Romania
1/11/21, 6:59 PM - [Axis]: This is pretty obvious assault since he has no retreat so will choose that for you
1/11/21, 7:17 PM - [Axis]: Weather turned bad
1/11/21, 7:18 PM - [Axis]: ends my impulse
1/11/21, 7:33 PM - [Allied]: Watching the college football championship. Appreciate your decisions in my absence. They look good. Will get to my impulse tomorrow.







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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 8:39:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

I am interested to know if the Germans can enter the Russian controlled hexes in Rumania. By my reading of the rules, German units may not enter those hexes, but Rumanian units can. Once the Rumanians do, then they are Rumanian controlled, and Germans could then enter.

Is this what MWiF does? This is not a situation that comes up often, so probably has not been tested as much as other rules do.
No, German units cannot. Only Romania units can. That is, only units at war with the Soviets can.

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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

As for German supply in Rumania: Bucharest is a secondary supply source for German units, and a primary one for Rumanians. Thus Rumanian units can simply trace supply to it. German units can trace supply to Bucharest, but then Bucharest must trace back to a German primary supply source.
Correct. So, supply to German units can be cut if their supply line into Romania is cut.

Both verified in MWiF. This is my first extended and real experience with peacekeepers, or more accurately advisors. Because the German units in Romania don't seem to be keeping the peace but adding to the conflict.

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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 10:18:16 PM   
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Something looks wrong about the results of the first paradrop combat. It was on the blitz table, so the first loss must be a MOT, MECH, ARM, or HQ-ARM. After that, the Germans did not empty the hex of enemy units, so the parachute unit would be destroyed.

[Edit: Taking a closer look at the combat odds, the German used their ENG's ability to attack over the river without being halved. So the ENG should have been the first loss.]

Yes, this causes a loss of two units when only one is called for on the CRT, but occasionally the can happen: Say the result was -/-, no losses on either side. The parachute unit would still be destroyed.

However, I am not certain of this and am going to ask in the main forum.

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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 10:48:52 PM   
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The game acknowledges there is one loss of one "invading unit", which I believe is the paratrooper, the problem is that then it goes against the rules by assigning the PARA the first loss when it needs to use it for a "blitzing unit" or in any case to the engineer (if the circumstances for an engineer loss are given).

So it behaves as if there was no blitz and no engineer was used. In that case, it would be correct. But it is not the case.

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Combat Engineers
Face-up ENG are not halved or thirded when attacking or overrunning across a river, canal or fort hexside. They also provide this benefit to as many land units they are stacked with as the ENG unit’s combat value. ENG attacking across both a river and a fort hexside, ignore only the fort hexside. The defender still has all other combat benefits if behind a fort hexside.
Engineers provide +1 to the land combat die roll (see 11.16.5) when attacking a 2 or 3 factory stack city. Defending engineers subtract 1 from the die roll when defending a 2 or 3 factory stack city. These benefits are in addition to the other benefits and can be used simultaneously (e.g. gaining both benefits when attacking across a river into a 2 factory city).
If an ENG provides any benefits in an attack, it always suffers the first loss (even before white print units attacking in winter).


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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 10:55:48 PM   
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Ronnie, I realize that this combat happened about a week ago, but would you have a saved game from which we could recreate the attack? Only the units that took part in the attack would have to move, and the paradrop could happen without air activity.

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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/17/2021 11:10:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Ronnie, I realize that this combat happened about a week ago, but would you have a saved game from which we could recreate the attack? Only the units that took part in the attack would have to move, and the paradrop could happen without air activity.
I have the turn at the beginning of the (axis) impulse. Should, I think, be able to recreate it from that.


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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/18/2021 12:01:02 AM   
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Thank you. Yes, that should do it. I will speed things up by having Japan and Italy pass.

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RE: PBEM Global War: Narrative AAR. - 1/18/2021 10:50:22 AM   
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Maybe it would be nice to report it...

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