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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/16/2021 5:07:23 PM

juv95hrn

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I am going to open the the discussion here:

- Where will you place your 40 fortified zones? (no zones are needed vs Finland anymore.)

- Where will you place your 10 city forts?

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/16/2021 10:53:16 PM

FriedrichII

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quote:

ORIGINAL: juv95hrn

I am going to open the the discussion here:

- Where will you place your 40 fortified zones? (no zones are needed vs Finland anymore.)

- Where will you place your 10 city forts?

Does that mean that Finland is not part of the game?

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/16/2021 11:23:49 PM

juv95hrn

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FriedrichII

quote:

ORIGINAL: juv95hrn

I am going to open the the discussion here:

- Where will you place your 40 fortified zones? (no zones are needed vs Finland anymore.)

- Where will you place your 10 city forts?

Does that mean that Finland is not part of the game?

It�s now a theatre box instead.

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/16/2021 11:36:38 PM

FriedrichII

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Thanks for the answer. I am not sure if this is a good idea, but I have to admit I am new to this game. What could be the reason that Finland will be a theatre box? What is the benefit?

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/16/2021 11:48:19 PM

juv95hrn

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In WITE1 the Soviet player would build a line of 15 (?) forts along the Svir, and 4 north of Leningrad, and that was the extent of the Finnish theatre until 1) Germany would take Leningrad, or 2) USSR would knock Finland out of the war.

Once Leningrad was taken, Finnish troops could be used as Blizzard-proof space marines in front of Moscow during winter 1941.

Not sure the Finnish front will be missed that much...

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/17/2021 12:00:17 AM

FriedrichII

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Thank you for the explanation. As I said I am new to this game and I did not know that reason before.

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/17/2021 12:30:41 AM

juv95hrn

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Maybe most important for a USSR (or Axis) strategy will be the settings. Do you play vs AI or a human opponent? What are your AI settings?

"Before going on, the AI is far better in WiTE2 than in any of the earlier games. It will shift strategic direction as well as make better operational choices. At the start, I strongly suggest do not give it any bonuses till you understand the main game mechanisms. After a while set the Soviet AI to at least 110 (if you are playing the Axis) and the Axis AI to at least 120. As ever, in a game with the AI you can adjust these but at those levels the AI gains substantial benefits that will ensure a much better game."

Personally I feel that maybe a setting of 115-120 for the Axis and 100 for the USSR will be a "normal" setting to play vs. Axis AI. I hope a sort of category for players will develop quickly, to make it easier to compare games (balance, etc) with each other.

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/17/2021 1:06:01 AM

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Finland is a theater box precisely because the Finns were not an extension of the Ostheer.

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/17/2021 8:30:45 AM

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Finland is a theater box precisely because the Finns were not an extension of the Ostheer.

there is a more pragmatic reason. Partly not much happened apart from at the beginning and the end. More relevantly, it proved very hard/impossible to teach the AI how to handle a long front with low unit density (and probably battalion level breakdowns).

Since the bulk of the long term testing and exploration of the late game has been by running AI-AI tests that is an important consideration.

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RE: Soviet Strategy - 3/17/2021 8:56:34 AM

Sardaukar

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One still gets to play with some Finns if Germany takes Leningrad.

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