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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:35:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can stop the night interceptions by changing the fighter squadron to DAY ONLY. You can also do this in the Commander's Report for all the fighters at once. The Bf110s were night interceptors - unfortunately they all start focused as BOMBERS. Changing their focus to FIGHTERS will take six weeks but very worth it. Until they return from the RESERVES after their training, use the many flak units to protect your rear railyards. You don't have many large railyards (Minsk, Riga, Kaunus, Vilnus, Lvov, and a few others) before the Bf110s are swapped over so it is easy to protect them with the flak units.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:35:55 PM   
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:36:37 PM   
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:37:21 PM   
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:37:57 PM   
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37 total 88 on that last one :) Still roughly got the same as in post 87 & 88 earlier in this AAR without a bit more concentration of AA.





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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:42:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		All the fighter losses were ops, nothing was shot down by my bombers.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:46:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am still semi on the fence with AA. Is there anything I didn't think of that anyone out there can think of? Or as a German player you just have to submit to having your rail-yards decimated?

I really don't want to make a house rule already without an answer but it is starting to look that way.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:48:12 PM   
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All the fighter losses were ops, nothing was shot down by my bombers.


Ya, my point is it is worthless to fly at night time with current rule set. So no way to even try to put up a fight that way.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 4:52:55 PM   
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You can stop the night interceptions by changing the fighter squadron to DAY ONLY. You can also do this in the Commander's Report for all the fighters at once. The Bf110s were night interceptors - unfortunately they all start focused as BOMBERS. Changing their focus to FIGHTERS will take six weeks but very worth it. Until they return from the RESERVES after their training, use the many flak units to protect your rear railyards. You don't have many large railyards (Minsk, Riga, Kaunus, Vilnus, Lvov, and a few others) before the Bf110s are swapped over so it is easy to protect them with the flak units.



Yes, I know all of this. I needed to verify that in WITE2 this was still not an effective way of addressing the Soviet bombing issue with regular BF-109's. I just confirmed it and showing others. I changed out the BF-110's on the first turn already & did this in WITE1. The flak has had lack luster effect so far and that may be because I just placed it this turn.

***plus it is 8 weeks not 6 to switch between bomber to fighter :(

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:02:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		No problem HYLA. I find that the flak is not as good as a fighter intercept but it is an acceptable alternative until the Bf110s come on line. Saving the Bf109s is important for the Axis in stopping Soviet Ground Support and is far more effective that way.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:07:10 PM   
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:09:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: carlkay58

No problem HYLA. I find that the flak is not as good as a fighter intercept but it is an acceptable alternative until the Bf110s come on line. Saving the Bf109s is important for the Axis in stopping Soviet Ground Support and is far more effective that way.



Oh I concur with you 100% I just wanted to test here in WITE2 in a real game. I have done so now and have taken every single one of my single seat BF-109s OFF of night missions. I would advise all German players to do the same unless they want to risk some very high operational losses flying at night time. I appreciate your comments and always welcome all the comment from everyone even if I may or may not know things. It is how we all learn together. Please keep them coming :)

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:11:51 PM   
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Soviet unescorted bombers in day would be butchered to the last poor soul. Night bombing needs to be nerfed.


Yes, that is my conclusion too. But, lets get an answer from the powers to be first otherwise we may have to resort to some form of house rule.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:50:24 PM   
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Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

North pockets all clear




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:53:16 PM   
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Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

Central pockets all clear. WELL at least I thought so & will see what beast springs forth from me being complacent :( This will set me back a turn and half because of it :(




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:54:31 PM   
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Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

South pockets all clear with a new pocket getting remnants of Lvov runaways.






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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 5:57:27 PM   
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Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

Rumanian pockets formed

This is why I like locking down the Southern Front on the first turn. Grab a few extra units.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 6:03:31 PM   
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Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

Keep an eye on the Soviet Infantry Division to the North East in this picture close to the regiment. On turn 3 this division is no longer there. What happened to it? Airlifted out? But I have a ton of fighter in this area you would think they would have intercepted. Soviet withdraw? Anyone help me out here?




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 6:05:48 PM   
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 6:09:17 PM   
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Here are the end of turn 2 Highlights before moving on to turn 3

Finally, was able to get across the Dnepr at one of my favorite locations.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 6:12:19 PM   
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Weather






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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 6:14:54 PM   
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Events

Africa another set back :( Sent reinforcements just takes time to get there.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 6:18:00 PM   
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The Monster out of the Darkness

I missed one calvary unit and was careless in my duties here. This will cost me a turn and half to fix and may never get back that time. I havent had a mishap like this in a very long time. Oh well, time to move on.




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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 6:28:11 PM   
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 7:42:25 PM   
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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 8:02:47 PM   
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Hope not with the support attachment bug



Ya. I saw that after I updated :(

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 8:31:16 PM   
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Hope not with the support attachment bug



Ya. I saw that after I updated :(


What bug?

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 8:33:05 PM   
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Turn 3

The Monster out of the Darkness

I missed one calvary unit and was careless in my duties here. This will cost me a turn and half to fix and may never get back that time. I havent had a mishap like this in a very long time. Oh well, time to move on.


Nice one, Bobo!

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 8:37:14 PM   
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Hope not with the support attachment bug



Ya. I saw that after I updated :(


What bug?


See post by Joel on that patch.

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RE: VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!! HLYA(G) vs 821Bobo (S) All ar... - 4/2/2021 8:37:38 PM   
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Turn 3

The Monster out of the Darkness

I missed one calvary unit and was careless in my duties here. This will cost me a turn and half to fix and may never get back that time. I havent had a mishap like this in a very long time. Oh well, time to move on.


Nice one, Bobo!


These forums are so PRO Soviet :(

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