Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Repsol

will all those A2A kills improve your airunits any ? or are they already to good to improve much ?

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ORIGINAL: Nix77

The MBRs are flying as utility in naval interdiction, so their losses are shown as utility for some reason?

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 2 End German turn

North

This is the best non "stab" fighter squadron I have at the moment. You can see the exp & Morale along with the aircraft kills for the unit.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Won't lie, your method is clearly yielding superior results to the conventional opening. Whether that triggers a future patch or not remains to be seen.

Now the comment of 10 weeks of experienced pilots taken out might benefit from some context. With the conventional approach, you're still killing pilots. The question is that with this method, how many fewer losses do you take and how many more do you inflict? In my own HvH game, I suffered 1,795 pilots KIA with the conventional opening and considerably more Axis air losses. You had 2,383 Soviet KIA. That's +588 which is a little over two weeks worth of experienced pilots in the early training cycle.

The losses from turn 2 are interesting, but your opponent clearly is bold enough that the I-I53 biplanes along with their pilots are being thrown into the furnace. You may not see future opponents quite so eager to hurl these planes into battle.

Bottom line, no reason not to keep doing what you're doing until someone says you can't or they develop the more perfect mousetrap.

Thank you for the nice write up :) I just don't know how much of a difference this will make over the long term game. A few extra turns worth of trained pilots on the first turn may end up being just a spit in the bucket over 200+ turns. I guess it all boils down to how the Soviet reacts to this. Time will tell.

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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Won't lie, your method is clearly yielding superior results to the conventional opening. Whether that triggers a future patch or not remains to be seen.

Now the comment of 10 weeks of experienced pilots taken out might benefit from some context. With the conventional approach, you're still killing pilots. The question is that with this method, how many fewer losses do you take and how many more do you inflict? In my own HvH game, I suffered 1,795 pilots KIA with the conventional opening and considerably more Axis air losses. You had 2,383 Soviet KIA. That's +588 which is a little over two weeks worth of experienced pilots in the early training cycle.

The losses from turn 2 are interesting, but your opponent clearly is bold enough that the I-I53 biplanes along with their pilots are being thrown into the furnace. You may not see future opponents quite so eager to hurl these planes into battle.

Bottom line, no reason not to keep doing what you're doing until someone says you can't or they develop the more perfect mousetrap.

Thank you for the nice write up :) I just don't know how much of a difference this will make over the long term game. A few extra turns worth of trained pilots on the first turn may end up being just a spit in the bucket over 200+ turns. I guess it all boils down to how the Soviet reacts to this. Time will tell.

Well there's a little more to it, and it's to your benefit. The definition of a trained Soviet pilot puts it in an experience range as low as 35. It's really way too low, IMHO, it should be around 50. Pilots with levels below 50 shoot down only a small fraction of Axis aircraft among those involved in A2A combat.

In your case, you aren't just eliminating trained pilots, you're eliminating pilots, among them many with 60+ experience who are a legitimate threat to your aircraft. Those kind of pilots don't appear again in numbers until 1944. So getting rid of a bigger group of them will save some of your own right from the beginning.

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ORIGINAL: Repsol

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 2 End German turn

North

This is the best non "stab" fighter squadron I have at the moment. You can see the exp & Morale along with the aircraft kills for the unit.

Nice !
They start as 86(75)

Thats a decent increase in moral (unless the german moral-start is randomized and they started higher in this game).

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ORIGINAL: Jango32

I am curious, what air directives did you set up to get those Soviet pilot kills?

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: Jango32

I am curious, what air directives did you set up to get those Soviet pilot kills?

On the 1st turn???? I set up none.

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ORIGINAL: Jango32

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: Jango32

I am curious, what air directives did you set up to get those Soviet pilot kills?

On the 1st turn???? I set up none.

So all three Luftflotte fighters automatically moved in to intercept and engage Soviet planes during the air execution phase with no AD requirement. I was under the impression that a ground support air directive was needed for that.

Interested to try this out against the AI. So all the Soviet pilot losses actually occurred in the ground phase, as your units were attacking Soviet divisions and taking airfields?