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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/3/2021 3:23:29 PM   
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Can't Pearl get all the resources it needs from Hilo?

I set up a two or three ship Continuous Supply TF from Hilo to Pearl and forget about it for the rest of the game.

Using the closest source is always the most efficient.


No, Hilo is not sufficient. Note the Hawaii column in the spreadsheet screenshot I posted earlier. Pearl has 80 LI and 20 HI, yet only 40 Resource. That's a deficit of 800 resources per turn, and the 20 from Hilo can only reduce it to 400/turn.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/3/2021 4:20:37 PM   
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No, Hilo is not sufficient. Note the Hawaii column in the spreadsheet screenshot I posted earlier. Pearl has 80 LI and 20 HI, yet only 40 Resource. That's a deficit of 800 resources per turn, and the 20 from Hilo can only reduce it to 400/turn.


I usually supplement the Hilo to Pearl Harbor resource route with the occasional run from Tacoma or Coos Bay. A good job for some of those spare AKLs.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/3/2021 6:15:09 PM   
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clamel, make a little test and try to load resources in Bombay on turn 1 as Allies. You will see the same thing. TF will finish loading and sail away with 0 resources. Ports with lots of HI/LI, which have adequate resources stocks, have them for their own HI/LI use. The surpluses are earmarked for the local industries. You cannot load resources there, at least not in the beginning of the game. Thus, you need to load resourcs from ports which have genuine resources surpluses i.e Tacoma, Coos Bay, Sale etc.


Yes I get that when ports don't have enough of whatever you try to load it just aint going to load. BUT this predicament is more about why the TF is leaving the port empty.
Many suggestions of putting it on Remain On Station, is not truly the way to go IMHO. That order is for the next port the TF ends up in. If you set that Remain On Station you need to check EVERY port next turn to see what TF got stuff loaded and then release them.

In my mind and as it would have be done in real life (which most cases WiTP follows) the TF should have waiting and see if it got the stuff ready on the next turn. The Harbour Master should not let the TF leave until it had the loads as ordered.
If you keep spotting a TF sitting like in Bombay turn after turn, then you should check what's wrong. Having the TF leave is just a bummer. You might not know anything until it arrives, empty, at the new destination.
Whats' the point of that.

Thanks for giving more notices on what ports really looks better for resources. That will help.


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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/3/2021 6:37:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		clamel, I am talking about situations where resources are plentiful at big ports with lots of LI/HI. At a glance it looks the port (LA, Bombay) has a big surplus of resources, well beyond LI/HI needs, which you should be able to ship. However, the code somehow reserves those surpluses for the base and lets your TF go empty. It happened to me several times in Bombay with CS (continous Supply) TFs for resources. I had similar problems with Perth, even though I had Perth stockpile lots of additional resources beforehand. I have never had such problems with supply/fuel/oil CS TFs. The code doesnt make ships wait several days to fill them with resources, it just lets them go away almost empty. That is why I switched to Tacoma/Coos Bay/Sale for resources shipping.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/3/2021 6:39:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The code requires a certain stockpile based upon local demand before it releases any. It does not consider the resources produced during the next turn. The TF is showing as fully loaded because that is all that it is allowed to load.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/4/2021 2:50:28 AM   
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This got to be a sort of bug.


Sorry 'nug' its not a bug, its you. This game has been out for how many years now and was supported for most if them. There are few 'bugs' still in it and the cadre here knows them all, so please take the time to figure out whatever you're doing wrong, and get on with it.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/4/2021 3:26:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: clamel


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ORIGINAL: Yaab

clamel, make a little test and try to load resources in Bombay on turn 1 as Allies. You will see the same thing. TF will finish loading and sail away with 0 resources. Ports with lots of HI/LI, which have adequate resources stocks, have them for their own HI/LI use. The surpluses are earmarked for the local industries. You cannot load resources there, at least not in the beginning of the game. Thus, you need to load resourcs from ports which have genuine resources surpluses i.e Tacoma, Coos Bay, Sale etc.


Yes I get that when ports don't have enough of whatever you try to load it just aint going to load. BUT this predicament is more about why the TF is leaving the port empty.
Many suggestions of putting it on Remain On Station, is not truly the way to go IMHO. That order is for the next port the TF ends up in. If you set that Remain On Station you need to check EVERY port next turn to see what TF got stuff loaded and then release them.

In my mind and as it would have be done in real life (which most cases WiTP follows) the TF should have waiting and see if it got the stuff ready on the next turn. The Harbour Master should not let the TF leave until it had the loads as ordered.
If you keep spotting a TF sitting like in Bombay turn after turn, then you should check what's wrong. Having the TF leave is just a bummer. You might not know anything until it arrives, empty, at the new destination.
Whats' the point of that.

Thanks for giving more notices on what ports really looks better for resources. That will help.



Keep in mind that the TF had 2 orders - one to load resources and one to proceed to Pearl Harbor. It could not satisfy the first order so it just proceeded with the one that it could satisfy. Simple as that.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/4/2021 8:33:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		My opinion is, that Hilo -> PH, Noumea -> Sydney and some Tasmanian places -> Melbourne might be worth it.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/4/2021 9:42:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Noumea -> Sydney

That one to be discounted for the fuel availability in Oz. It is not uncommon for the Allied players to completely shut down heavy industry in Australia around 42 to keep fuel for the fleet operations. This will of course significantly reduce excess demand for resources

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/4/2021 9:50:54 AM   
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The only good place to load resources in CONUSA is Tacoma. It has 12,000 res surplus each turn in scen001.

Coos Bay has a 6500 res surplus, but a very slow loading rate.

And if you ever want to ship resources from Australia the only good place to do it is Sale.


Port Hedland as well, but the port is small- or was in 1941. Now it is the highest tonnage movement port in Australia.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/4/2021 11:06:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Noumea -> Sydney

That one to be discounted for the fuel availability in Oz. It is not uncommon for the Allied players to completely shut down heavy industry in Australia around 42 to keep fuel for the fleet operations. This will of course significantly reduce excess demand for resources


That'd imply inability bordering incompetence of Allied player about how to manage logistics.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/4/2021 1:02:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar


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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Noumea -> Sydney

That one to be discounted for the fuel availability in Oz. It is not uncommon for the Allied players to completely shut down heavy industry in Australia around 42 to keep fuel for the fleet operations. This will of course significantly reduce excess demand for resources


That'd imply inability bordering incompetence of Allied player about how to manage logistics.


Especially if the Allied player does not load fuel/oil on every available tanker in the DEI.

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RE: Why hasn't this TF loaded up ? - 4/5/2021 1:35:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar


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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Noumea -> Sydney

That one to be discounted for the fuel availability in Oz. It is not uncommon for the Allied players to completely shut down heavy industry in Australia around 42 to keep fuel for the fleet operations. This will of course significantly reduce excess demand for resources


That'd imply inability bordering incompetence of Allied player about how to manage logistics.


Especially if the Allied player does not load fuel/oil on every available tanker in the DEI.


Indeed.

Should try to "dry" Palembang, Soerabaja, Balikpapan etc. Not that you can really "dry" them, but all additional fuel helps in Oz.

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