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Various unit Errata - 4/17/2021 12:56:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		II./StG 3 arrives Turn 30 with Ju87D5, should be Ju87R

125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized

The RHG Commands in the Soviet Union Garrison are not locked, since all the other HQ's are, they should probably be as well.

If one cancels the transfer orders for HQ's some stay locked and some become unlocked. Examples are 8th Italian Army (stays Locked) and SS Panzer Corps (becomes unlocked upon arrival in WE). I could transfer SS Panzer to the map on T57. Don't know which is WAD. With enhanced TB on, it would be nice for at least some HQ's to be available.
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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/17/2021 2:06:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		The 533 Coastal Artillery that converts to II/1st Afrika should be the 532.

The 75mm leFK18 doesn't get produced because the end date is 1940. This is correct but should probably be given a bigger pool so account for the some small series of other 75mm that were produced later on and to account for the attrition model.

The 105mm SK18 has about 450 on map, should be around 750. Production from mid 41 to end 44 was 1'350, the 5 per turn limit is not going to get anywhere near there since the end date of the item is 12/44. Also since it's used by a lot of on map units, the attrition model raises it's head again.

15cm K39 production did end in 1942, but production of K18 lasted into 1943. Also production is quite erratic, at turn 74 I only have 25 built. I suggest stretching this to end 43.

17cm K18, another erratic producer. At Turn 74 I have 32 built. By end 44 it should be 340+. These should be replacing the 15cm guns in the Heavy Cannon Battalions over time but this doesn't seem to be happening. Could be because there is never enough stock to trigger the swap mechanism. Or the TOE of the 15cm Cannon Battalions should upgrade to the 17cm to generate the demand.



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/17/2021 9:39:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lehr Army Art Brigade
70th
88th
288th
411th
412th
704th
777th
959th

are all no motorized, should be motorized.





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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/17/2021 10:27:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		388th Volks Art Brigade should have the 403 TOE
410th Volks Art Brigade is missing it's 27 21cm Werfer. Instead of adding an extra TOE might just want to make a seperate Werfer Abt.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/18/2021 3:24:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I/84th K3 Gun Battalion only has 2 batteries in game. This is correct for what is known to be still around in 1945 but it started the war with 3.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/18/2021 5:03:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some German Regiments are multirole and some are not. I don't know what is WAD but I suggest it be made consistent. I couldn't see where to find the flag in the editor so I'll only list the ones I found by chance.

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638th LVF French Infantry Regiment

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SS Dirlewanger Reg
369th Croat Inf Reg

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/18/2021 5:11:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		TOE Schnelle Brigade 20 and 30:

right now OB 350:

54 Rifle Squads
1 81mm
14 MG's
12 50mm Mortars
39 Support

What's correct is that it consisted of only 3 Recon Bicycle Battalions without any support elements but the composition of the Battalions seems to have been different.

Example of Schnelle Abteilung 505, part of Schnelle Brigade 30.
Die Schnelle Abteilung 18 wurde am 3. März 1943 in Belgien aufgestellt. Zur Aufstellung wurde die Reserve-Radfahr-Abteilung 18 umbenannt. Die Abteilung wurde der Schnelle Brigade 30 unterstellt. Die Gliederung der Abteilung war die einer Aufklärungs-Abteilung: 1 Stabs-Schwadron mit Nachrichten-Staffel und Pionier-Zug, 2 Radfahr-Schwadronen und 1 schwere Schwadron mit 7,5 cm-Pak-Zug, einem Flak- und einen Grantwerfer-Zug. Die Mannschaften rekrutierten sich überwiegend aus den Jahrgängen 1924 und 1925. Bereits am 16. März 1943 wurde die Abteilung in Schnelle Abteilung 505 umbenannt.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/SchnelleAbteilungen/IDGliederung.htm

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/18/2021 5:59:07 PM   
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The current OBs in the game are a mish and mash collection of organizations that began with WitE that were created by Jim Wirth and which I took over during development of the Torch scenarios. This list has become something of a frankenstein with changes in the vision of these OBs occurring with the handoff between me and Jim. In between there, you had the introduction of numerous new ground elements - some of which haven't made it into the OBs. I have spent the past 18 months detailing a massive rework of all OBs in the game (in excel spreadsheets) for all nations to ensure that all of the ground elements are being used somewhere and allow for numerous variations of standardized units. For example, the standard panzer division of WiTE has been replaced with at least four "tiers". However, a massive restructure of the OB file will require re-aligning every OB in every unit in the game. Not to mention the time it will take to physically rebuild the entire file in an organized fashion.

I say all of this to show my commitment to providing the most realistic and flavorful OB selection possible. Once Pavel (Helpless) and Joel get a handle on the post release priority bugs, we plan on discussing updating the editor and *hopefully* implementing these OB updates because I am very excited about them. While I don't mind making a few needed changes to the existing OB file, I don't want to spend too much time in there with a massive update on the horizon.

Trey


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ORIGINAL: MechFO

TOE Schnelle Brigade 20 and 30:

right now OB 350:

54 Rifle Squads
1 81mm
14 MG's
12 50mm Mortars
39 Support

What's correct is that it consisted of only 3 Recon Bicycle Battalions without any support elements but the composition of the Battalions seems to have been different.

Example of Schnelle Abteilung 505, part of Schnelle Brigade 30.
Die Schnelle Abteilung 18 wurde am 3. März 1943 in Belgien aufgestellt. Zur Aufstellung wurde die Reserve-Radfahr-Abteilung 18 umbenannt. Die Abteilung wurde der Schnelle Brigade 30 unterstellt. Die Gliederung der Abteilung war die einer Aufklärungs-Abteilung: 1 Stabs-Schwadron mit Nachrichten-Staffel und Pionier-Zug, 2 Radfahr-Schwadronen und 1 schwere Schwadron mit 7,5 cm-Pak-Zug, einem Flak- und einen Grantwerfer-Zug. Die Mannschaften rekrutierten sich überwiegend aus den Jahrgängen 1924 und 1925. Bereits am 16. März 1943 wurde die Abteilung in Schnelle Abteilung 505 umbenannt.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/SchnelleAbteilungen/IDGliederung.htm



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/18/2021 8:29:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the update. As I've mentioned before it's already leaps and bounds better than WITE and I look forward to what the future rework will bring. I agree it doesn't make much sense to spend a lot of time on random edits.

I didn't want to spam your inbox and not being able to see the content of sent PM's makes keeping track here much easier.



I./NJG 5 upgrades from II./ZG2 correctly but the allowed plane types doesn't update to Nightfighters.



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/18/2021 10:49:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MechFO

Thank you for the update. As I've mentioned before it's already leaps and bounds better than WITE and I look forward to what the future rework will bring. I agree it doesn't make much sense to spend a lot of time on random edits.

I didn't want to spam your inbox and not being able to see the content of sent PM's makes keeping track here much easier.



I./NJG 5 upgrades from II./ZG2 correctly but the allowed plane types doesn't update to Nightfighters.






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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/20/2021 10:06:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		16th SS Sturm Brig update chain is weird:

to 43b SS Sturm Brig in June 1943 then to 44 SS Pz Gren Div in April 1943

90th Lt Afrika MD does not have an upgrade chain after 42, should maybe have the Pz Gren one.

If at all, since the forming was cancelled, the 526. Reserve Division should only enter in September 1944. Right now it enters with the other Reserve Divisions in 1942.

The Sturm Inf Battalions point to an empty TOE (OB Nr. 2) after the 42 Sturm Infantry Bat (OB Nr 1993).

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/20/2021 11:37:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		16th SS looks weird but it is okay. Those start dates are the earliest that those particular OBs are available. They can be a part of multiple different OB chains and paths.

* Starts as 43a Sturm Brigade
* Upgrades to 43b Sturm Brigade in Jun 43
* Upgrades to 44 SS Panzergrenadier Division in Jan. 44

OB file only tells part of the story. The 90th Light Afrika Motorized Division renames (ie switches to a brand new OB chain) to the 90th Panzergrenadier Division using OB 118 on Turn 107. See the rename path for the 90th Lt Afrika in the UNIT tab.

You're right on the 526th.

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ORIGINAL: MechFO

16th SS Sturm Brig update chain is weird:

to 43b SS Sturm Brig in June 1943 then to 44 SS Pz Gren Div in April 1943

90th Lt Afrika MD does not have an upgrade chain after 42, should maybe have the Pz Gren one.

If at all, since the forming was cancelled, the 526. Reserve Division should only enter in September 1944. Right now it enters with the other Reserve Divisions in 1942.



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/21/2021 12:07:52 AM   
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16th SS looks weird but it is okay. Those start dates are the earliest that those particular OBs are available. They can be a part of multiple different OB chains and paths.

* Starts as 43a Sturm Brigade
* Upgrades to 43b Sturm Brigade in Jun 43
* Upgrades to 44 SS Panzergrenadier Division in Jan. 44


I see, I didn't know the last month/year of a TOE overrides the beginning date of the follow on TOE.


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OB file only tells part of the story. The 90th Light Afrika Motorized Division renames (ie switches to a brand new OB chain) to the 90th Panzergrenadier Division using OB 118 on Turn 107. See the rename path for the 90th Lt Afrika in the UNIT tab.


I'll check in the editor in the future. Would be nice to have some indication of renames in the unit tab if it can be hooked up.



Just to repeat my earlier Edit above:
The Sturm Inf Battalions point to an empty TOE (OB Nr. 2) after the 42 Sturm Infantry Bat (OB Nr 1993).

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/22/2021 5:39:01 PM   
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The 24 Hummel stick out.

The gepanzerter Art Regiment 1 first had 6 batteries, then got the third Abteilung in March 43 when it was turned into gepanzerter Art Regiment 931 sfl., then became the Panzer Art Regiment 155, which had the standard TOE.

It's plausible the french guns made up part or the entire 2 light Abt but there doesn't seem to be any indication of more than the standard 6 Hummel of a schwere Abteilung.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/22/2021 5:56:00 PM   
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Schnelle Brigade West

The 24 Hummel stick out.

The gepanzerter Art Regiment 1 first had 6 batteries, then got the third Abteilung in March 43 when it was turned into gepanzerter Art Regiment 931 sfl., then became the Panzer Art Regiment 155, which had the standard TOE.

It's plausible the french guns made up part or the entire 2 light Abt but there doesn't seem to be any indication of more than the standard 6 Hummel of a schwere Abteilung.



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/22/2021 6:12:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Same as the Sturm Inf Bats mentioned above, the 43 Stug Bttr OB 369 upgrades to the empty OB 2.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/22/2021 6:17:29 PM   
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Same as the Sturm Inf Bats mentioned above, the 43 Stug Bttr OB 369 upgrades to the empty OB 2.



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/22/2021 7:31:08 PM   
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Difference between what was authorized and what was actually provided. The KSTNs that I saw actually provided for Wespes and Hummels but then probably got substitutes.

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ORIGINAL: MechFO

Schnelle Brigade West

The 24 Hummel stick out.

The gepanzerter Art Regiment 1 first had 6 batteries, then got the third Abteilung in March 43 when it was turned into gepanzerter Art Regiment 931 sfl., then became the Panzer Art Regiment 155, which had the standard TOE.

It's plausible the french guns made up part or the entire 2 light Abt but there doesn't seem to be any indication of more than the standard 6 Hummel of a schwere Abteilung.




Real headscratcher

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/10-5cm-lefh-16-sf-auf-geschutzwagen-fcm-36f/

mentions 8 or 12 in existance and refers to

the KSTN 430 https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn43031okt42.htm

which had 4 guns in a single Battery in 2 Abt. This might have been an early transitionary organisation before 2 gun batteries became the norm. Since 2 guns per battery was standard for a Panzer Art Reg in 43, and it consisted of the standard 6 light batteries a total of 12 seems plausible.

However the only other formation with KSTN 430 would have been gepanzerter Art Reg 2, also founded 1.11.1942 but never consisting of more than the Observer Bttr, the Regimental Staff and the Staff battery. So either they never went with KSTN 430 and had 6 2 gun batteries from the beginning, or 4 guns were sitting around for a few months until the transition from gepanzerter Art Reg to Panzer Art Reg, or they had a mixed light Abt with a few Wespes to make up numbers. But such mixing would be unusual.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/22/2021 7:55:21 PM   
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Image claimed to show 10,5cm leFH18(Sf) auf GW 39H(f)

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/23/2021 10:44:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I/KG51 renames to I/KG(J)51 and converts to Me410 in mid May 1943 in the game.

I don't see when the renaming happened but the first deliveries of Me410 took place in July 1943 so the conversion should be pushed back a bit.

https://www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/kampf/bikg51.html

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/23/2021 1:55:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		* II./StG 3 arrives Turn 30 with Ju87D5, should be Ju87R - Fixed

* 125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
- there isn't a separate OB for Motorized Infantry Regiments so these units are using the standard infantry regiment OB and then are fully motorized. Planning on fixing this in a future OB revision

* The RHG Commands in the Soviet Union Garrison are not locked, since all the other HQ's are, they should probably be as well. - not sure. Asked Joel if he wants this

* If one cancels the transfer orders for HQ's some stay locked and some become unlocked. Examples are 8th Italian Army (stays Locked) and SS Panzer Corps (becomes unlocked upon arrival in WE). I could transfer SS Panzer to the map on T57. Don't know which is WAD. With enhanced TB on, it would be nice for at least some HQ's to be available. - I could see a case to unlock the 8th Ital. Army. Whatever the player wants to do with the SS Corps is fine.

* The 533 Coastal Artillery that converts to II/1st Afrika should be the 532. - Fixed

* The 75mm leFK18 doesn't get produced because the end date is 1940. This is correct but should probably be given a bigger pool so account for the some small series of other 75mm that were produced later on and to account for the attrition model.

* The 105mm SK18 has about 450 on map, should be around 750. Production from mid 41 to end 44 was 1'350, the 5 per turn limit is not going to get anywhere near there since the end date of the item is 12/44. Also since it's used by a lot of on map units, the attrition model raises it's head again.

* 15cm K39 production did end in 1942, but production of K18 lasted into 1943. Also production is quite erratic, at turn 74 I only have 25 built. I suggest stretching this to end 43.

* 17cm K18, another erratic producer. At Turn 74 I have 32 built. By end 44 it should be 340+. These should be replacing the 15cm guns in the Heavy Cannon Battalions over time but this doesn't seem to be happening. Could be because there is never enough stock to trigger the swap mechanism. Or the TOE of the 15cm Cannon Battalions should upgrade to the 17cm to generate the demand.

- these are all production questions that I can't answer. Suggest a separate thread to address these issues so that Mr. Wirth (JAW) can take a look

* Numerous Army Art Brigade are all no motorized, should be motorized - fixed

* 388th Volks Art Brigade should have the 403 TOE - fixed

* I/84th K3 Gun Battalion only has 2 batteries in game. This is correct for what is known to be still around in 1945 but it started the war with 3 - fixed

* Some German Regiments are multirole and some are not. I don't know what is WAD but I suggest it be made consistent. I couldn't see where to find the flag in the editor so I'll only list the ones I found by chance. - fixed. Made all of the combat regiments as multi-role

* TOE Schnelle Brigade 20 and 30 -will be revised with future OB update

* I./NJG 5 upgrades from II./ZG2 correctly but the allowed plane types doesn't update to Nightfighters. - fixed. Changed to Bf110F-4

* The Sturm Inf Battalions point to an empty TOE (OB Nr. 2) after the 42 Sturm Infantry Bat (OB Nr 1993) - fixed

* If at all, since the forming was cancelled, the 526. Reserve Division should only enter in September 1944. Right now it enters with the other Reserve Divisions in 1942. - fixed

* Same as the Sturm Inf Bats mentioned above, the 43 Stug Bttr OB 369 upgrades to the empty OB 2 - fixed

* I/KG51 renames to I/KG(J)51 and converts to Me410 in mid May 1943 in the game.

I don't see when the renaming happened but the first deliveries of Me410 took place in July 1943 so the conversion should be pushed back a bit - conversion pushed back to Jul 43

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/23/2021 2:15:50 PM   
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* 125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
- there isn't a separate OB for Motorized Infantry Regiments so these units are using the standard infantry regiment OB and then are fully motorized. Planning on fixing this in a future OB revision


I wasn't talking about the TOE, since I couldn't find anything definitive, but the unit type in the editor which determines the Nato symbol and classification in the game.

While on the subject the German Light Divisions don't have the L Infantry symbol that the Jäger get, they should probably start with it too.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/23/2021 3:03:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The OB entry is what drives what symbol is displayed. You can't edit that in the UNITS tab.

"Light Infantry" is not an option for unit type in the OB editor so I can't manually change Light Infantry to "L" unit icons. I believe this is driven by some code.


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Thanks a lot, will push the production questions into another thread.



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* 125 Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
361st Mot Inf Reg is classified as Infantry, should be Motorized
- there isn't a separate OB for Motorized Infantry Regiments so these units are using the standard infantry regiment OB and then are fully motorized. Planning on fixing this in a future OB revision


I wasn't talking about the TOE, since I couldn't find anything definitive, but the unit type in the editor which determines the Nato symbol and classification in the game.

While on the subject the German Light Divisions don't have the L Infantry symbol that the Jäger get, they should probably start with it too.



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/24/2021 12:41:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		125 Inf Reg was a normal Infantry Regiment that was only motorized for a time when it was part of the High Command reserve, so TOE was that of a normal Inf Reg.

Was moved from the Balkans to Greece to Africa and became the 125. PanzerGren Reg in Oktober 1942 and became part of the 164. Light Africa Division. So it should disband when the the 164th Inf Div has it's TOE change.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Infanterieregimenter/IR125.htm


361 Inf Reg was formed 15.June 1941 as a Infantry Reg, was reinforced with Art Abt 361 with 3 Bttr leFH (later II/Art Reg 190 of the 90. Afrika Division but already incorporated in the game) and a company of Flak from Flak Bat 613 in July 1941. Became part of 90. Light Afrika Division between late August and early November 1941. Transitioned to a Schützen Reg in July 1942.

III/241 Inf Bat
III/258 Inf Bat
III/268 Inf Bat

Were used to constitute Schützen Regiment 155 of 90th Light Afrika.

90. Light Afrika Division should have a mixed Schützen/Infantry TOE in late 42 and probably shouldn't exist in the beginning since it was still forming with bits and pieces all over the place.

Maybe bring it in fully formed in November 1941 and withdraw, not disband, the scattered regiments and battalions used to form it.



369th Croat Inf Reg should start the game attached to the 100th Light Inf Division



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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/24/2021 1:15:42 AM   
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III/255 Inf Bat went to Afrika and was disbanded there in 1942. 110. Inf Div was short an Inf Bat until the 1943 reorganisation.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Infanterieregimenter/IR255.htm

Maybe just shorten the TOE of the 110th at start and let it fill up.





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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/24/2021 1:53:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		638th LVF Infantry Regiment was part of the regular Wehrmacht, not the Waffen SS until August 1944 when it became part of the Waffen SS and integrated into the Waffen SS SturmBrigade Charlemagne.

3 Battalions so probably normal Infantry Regiment structure but was reinforced with the Art Abt 638 with 3 Batteries in February 1942. No information on what guns.

Lost a Battalion in 1942, but this was reconstituted in 1943. A IV. Battalion was founded in 1944.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/GrenadierdivisionenSS/33SSGD.htm

Should disband turn 158 when the Brigade comes in.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/25/2021 10:31:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.

The complete list of zbV battalions is:

Inf Bat zbV
491 (formed in December 1944 by renaming and consolidating the Lufwaffe zbV units Luftwaffen-Feld(later Jäger)zbV Battalions 1,2 and 10) and transferring them to the army)
500 (in the game as a bycicle recon bat, which it shouldn't be, formed April 1941)
540 (formed December 1941)
550 (formed November 1941, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
560 (formed August 1942, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
561 (formed Jan 1943, renamed Grenadier Bat in January 1944)

Es handelte sich um verstärkte Grenadierbataillone mit drei Schützenkompanien, einer Maschinengewehrkompanie, einer Stabskompanie, einem Jägerzug, einem Pakzug und einem Pionierzug

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Bewahrungseinheiten/Gliederung.htm

In the general descrption it says 560,561 were formed 1941, but in the battalion unit details it says what I listed.

Luftwaffe Feldbataillone z.b.V.
It doesn't mention how they were organised except it is mentioned the later ones were 4 companies strong with one being 5. I guess the standard Luftwaffen Feld/Jäger Battalion organisation applies.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/LwJagerBtl/Gliederung.htm


Luftwaffen-Feld Battalion zbV

1 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 4 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above)
2 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 3 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above) seems to have been intended as construction unit but then used in combat role.
3 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 2 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), probably renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved late 1944

Luftwaffe-Jäger Battalion zbV

4 formed April 1944 in Italy
5 formed April 1944 in the East
6 formed May/June 1944, used in Rumania in July, later Netherlands
7 formed Oktober 1943 with one company, later 4, used in Italy
8 formed March 1944 with 2 companies, later 5, used in Italy
9 formed March 1944, used in Italy
10 formed April 1944 with 4 companies, used in the East, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above


Is this useful? Don't know how deep down the battalion rabbit hole you want to go.


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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/25/2021 10:41:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think for smaller scenarios, the battalions are very useful. However, at campaign size, I don't want to go too deep in that rabbit hole.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MechFO

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.

The complete list of zbV battalions is:

Inf Bat zbV
491 (formed in December 1944 by renaming and consolidating the Lufwaffe zbV units Luftwaffen-Feld(later Jäger)zbV Battalions 1,2 and 10) and transferring them to the army)
500 (in the game as a bycicle recon bat, which it shouldn't be, formed April 1941)
540 (formed December 1941)
550 (formed November 1941, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
560 (formed August 1942, renamed Grenadier Bat in Oktober 42)
561 (formed Jan 1943, renamed Grenadier Bat in January 1944)

Es handelte sich um verstärkte Grenadierbataillone mit drei Schützenkompanien, einer Maschinengewehrkompanie, einer Stabskompanie, einem Jägerzug, einem Pakzug und einem Pionierzug

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Bewahrungseinheiten/Gliederung.htm

In the general descrption it says 560,561 were formed 1941, but in the battalion unit details it says what I listed.

Luftwaffe Feldbataillone z.b.V.
It doesn't mention how they were organised except it is mentioned the later ones were 4 companies strong with one being 5. I guess the standard Luftwaffen Feld/Jäger Battalion organisation applies.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/LwJagerBtl/Gliederung.htm


Luftwaffen-Feld Battalion zbV

1 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 4 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above)
2 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 3 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above) seems to have been intended as construction unit but then used in combat role.
3 formed November 1942 from II/Luftwaffen Feld Regiment 2 (penal unit of the Luftwaffe), probably renamed Jäger 1943, dissolved late 1944

Luftwaffe-Jäger Battalion zbV

4 formed April 1944 in Italy
5 formed April 1944 in the East
6 formed May/June 1944, used in Rumania in July, later Netherlands
7 formed Oktober 1943 with one company, later 4, used in Italy
8 formed March 1944 with 2 companies, later 5, used in Italy
9 formed March 1944, used in Italy
10 formed April 1944 with 4 companies, used in the East, dissolved into Inf Bat zbV 491 see above


Is this useful? Don't know how deep down the battalion rabbit hole you want to go.




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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/26/2021 2:26:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MechFO

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.





Tessins Verbände:

Infanterie-Btl. z. b. V. 100 * 29. 10. 1939 durch WK VIII für Sondereinsatz zu 4 Kp.
(3 Schützen-Ko. und 1 schwere Kp. mit 2 Pak- und 2 sMG-Zügen) für den Angriff auf
Fort Eben-Emael;8. 3. 1941 motorisiert und umgegliedert in 5 Kp. (1.-3 . SchützenXp..4. MG- und 5. schw.Kp.); 30. 9. 1941 aufgelöst und im Schützen-Rgt. 129 aufgegangen (zugweise auf sämtl. Kp. dieses Rgts. verteilt).
U: Heerestruppe (OKH)
E: 375 Breslau; 24. 5. 1941 E 51 (mot.) Görlitz, WK VIII

300zbv is on picture, nothing about units motorisation tho.

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RE: Various unit Errata - 4/26/2021 3:37:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: teddybbeer


quote:

ORIGINAL: MechFO

zbV Infantry battalions

I couldn't find anything on the 100 and 300 zbV Mot Inf Bats and am inclined to think they shouldn't exist. If anyting it would be 100 and 300 Inf bat, motorised because designated Heerestruppe for a while but can't find anything that could fit.





Tessins Verbände:

Infanterie-Btl. z. b. V. 100 * 29. 10. 1939 durch WK VIII für Sondereinsatz zu 4 Kp.
(3 Schützen-Ko. und 1 schwere Kp. mit 2 Pak- und 2 sMG-Zügen) für den Angriff auf
Fort Eben-Emael;8. 3. 1941 motorisiert und umgegliedert in 5 Kp. (1.-3 . SchützenXp..4. MG- und 5. schw.Kp.); 30. 9. 1941 aufgelöst und im Schützen-Rgt. 129 aufgegangen (zugweise auf sämtl. Kp. dieses Rgts. verteilt).
U: Heerestruppe (OKH)
E: 375 Breslau; 24. 5. 1941 E 51 (mot.) Görlitz, WK VIII

300zbv is on picture, nothing about units motorisation tho.


Thanks, found the entry for 100 under Schützen Reg 129. Shouldn't exist in that case as it will enter as part of 22. Panzer Div.

Regarding 300

Still can't find the listing for 300, but according to what's on Feldgrau it sounds like a pure admin battalion for security/water collection/purification units. Probably shouldn't be in the game.

https://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3082

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