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RE: Allied: March 12th 1944 - 7/23/2021 8:11:34 PM   
John B.


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Status: offline 		I think that attempt on the Brits was a good shot and jumping only part of the Allied fleet and thus having air superiority in the naval battle and sinking some capital ships for little or no real loss. Too bad it did not work. If you can get some land based air down to Singapore to help out in the naval battle that can help a great deal. I'm sure it will take a lot of losses but it only takes one torpedo to take out a CV. :)

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RE: Allied: March 12th 1944 - 7/23/2021 8:12:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kennonlightfoot

Speaking of Victory Points, how do the two sides stand VP wise?

It looks like the Axis has 1336 and the Allies are at 944. The VP total is at the bottom of the allied production screen.

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RE: Allied: March 12th 1944 - 7/23/2021 10:29:25 PM   
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I realize my spreadsheets are confusing however I do not know a better way to present the data. I have been using this for an operational timetable and am pretty much on schedule. The VP cities have not been falling in the order I predict but this does show when something must change hands.

I have listed what appears to be the weather based on the chart and actual weather on the map. (There is a little discrepancy in the Monsoon zone.) Singapore needs to fall or something else in the Monsoon area before the rains start. Otherwise the Allies could be in trouble. I also plan to play "Weather Roulette" and see if I can slip in another VP location this coming summer.





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RE: Allied: March 12th 1944 - 7/24/2021 1:42:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is what I was looking for. It looks like early 44 the Allies took back enough VP hexes to make it even which probably represents all the easy to take VP hexes out in the Pacific. Then took most of 44 to fight their way into the inner defenses of Japan to get at those land based VP hexes and start taking them.

I don't know if the game changes have yet fixed the problem of Japanese being able to take India. But once India is relatively secure from being overrun the Allies should end up with 14 to 16 solidly held VP hexes. If we say 15, then the Japanese have 23 or a 8 point advantage for accumulation. Of those 4 to 7 are easily retaken Islands which should be done by end of 43 making things even.

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RE: Allied: March 12th 1944 - 7/24/2021 3:34:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Currently, on turn 62 both sides hold 19 VP locations, for a total of 38 VPs before the USSR enters the war. I assume when they do, two more VPs will go to the Allies, possibly three if they can take Harbin.

The approaching summer in 1944 will be interesting. It will be my first with Allied superiority and I am not sure how the rainy season will effect things. In my experience with WPE and with Japan having the initiative, it has been difficult to do much in rain and snow. However one hex islands may face much less impact from weather due to the lower number of SPs involved.

From the Allied point of view, in my current game Singapore must fall before the wet Monsoon season hits. Otherwise the 2 point differential for an additional 10 plus turns will make things very tight. Which means the Allies need to hold 21 VP locations by June of 1944 and Japan must keep this from happening.

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Japan: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 2:45:58 AM   
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Indochina
A6m3 Zeros relocate to an airbase across the river from Saigon. They will fly CAP over the Gulf of Thailand and portions of the South China Sea, protecting the wing of land-based Judy dive-bombers. A group of B4M Betty bombers will fly in as soon as an airfield can be constructed to further the defense around Saigon.

The 6th Army moves south from Haiphong with the 27th Division takes over their positions. The 6th supports an attack by the 33rd Army against the Chinese 5th Army. Losses are heavy on both sides and the enemy falls back. The 33rd moves into the vacant position strengthening the flank of the beat-up Imperial Guard Division.

East China
Rain has hit East China slowing the enemy offensive but also making defensive movement difficult. The enemy advance to the north has been checked however the area is still very weak. Eventually reinforcements need to be pushed to the north.





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RE: Japan: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 2:52:00 AM   
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The used up 110th Division continues it retreat down the Malayan Peninsula. Engineering elements from the 15th Army complete construction of a new airfield just south of Kuala Lumpur and fighters from Kota Bharu immediately rebase to this new location.




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RE: Japan: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:25:27 AM   
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New Guinea is lost. New Britain is now cutoff and isolated. General Kanda remains on the island and will lead a last stand. A hand full of fighters slip through the US carrier “net” and land at Munda for refueling in a futile attempt to leave the area.




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RE: Japan: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:26:12 AM   
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Allied: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:32:25 AM   
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Indochina
Three sorties of medium and dive bombers pound the dug-in Japanese 16th Army at the apex of the line causing an effectiveness loss. This is followed by two assaults from three Indian corps causing a 6 SP loss to the enemy. Two fresh corps are rotated in and with a third assault causing 2 additional SP in damage, the 16th Army is forced to retreat. Indian forces are spent and fail to move into the abandoned positions, leaving a 50 mile stretch of “non-mans” land.

To the northeast along the Mekong River the Indian 4th Corps probes the positions of the Imperial Guards Division. Fearing a full scare assault, the enemy retreats to the east. Wisely the 4th Corps does not advance into the pocket. To the south, the UK 10th Division replaces US forces across the river from Bangkok. They are supported by a detachment of heavy artillery.

China
Rain throughout the operational area hampers movement. No attacks were launched this turn however in the far north there is some movement from Red Chinese forces.

Convoy Attacks
Twelve attacks on enemy convoys result in two Merchant Marine being sunk by six separate airstrikes. In the South China Sea SS-306 Tang resumes her war patrol. Hunting is good and two freighters are soon sunk along the route. The Tang then slips away before escorting destroyers can respond. In the East China Sea, the Bonefish spots and sinks a Merchant Marine.

The loss of another 5 MMs must be close to impacting Japan’s supply of PPs and oil. Damage to subs seems to be less since the unconfirmed sinking of 4 escorts – I think the reports are off, but the engine is working correctly, so I will not make a manual adjustment to the assigned escort protection.




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RE: Allied: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:34:09 AM   
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The US 4th Corps keeps up the pressure on the enemy 110th Division. Under the cover of D4Y Judy dive-bombers the enemy slips away south to the Taiping airfield. The US 3rd Corp advance along the east coast reaching the outskirts of Kota Bharu. The Japanese 21st Brigade is dug-in around the port and urban area. Under the cover of rain, the US 32nd Division arrives in Chumphon to take over the defense of the port. P-47 fighter-bombers arrive to provide support to the battle raging to the south. General Patch moves his 4th Army HQ south of Chumphon and the 2nd Corps arrives from the Bangkok front, pushing south towards Makhon. Reaching the end of US supply lines, the offensive has temporarily ground to a halt. It will need to resume soon as the Wet Monsoon season is 4 turns away.




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RE: Allied: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:40:56 AM   
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With the fall of Lae, Operation Cartwheel (neutralization of Rabaul) moves forward with the US 6th Corps embarking in landing ships, headed to New Britain. 5th Corps moves into Lae to prepare for a push through the Owen Stanley mountains. They are joined by the 7th Corps out of the Wewak area. Mop-up should continue for another turn or two. B-25 Mitchells (close support) fly into the airbase at Wewak to help with gaining total control of New Guinea.

Mitchell, Boston and SBD dive-bombers pound Rabaul. The 5th Marine Division hits the beach south of the port taking heavy losses (2 SPs). To the north, the US 6th Corps lands taking a SP loss. Suported by land and carrier-based planes plus a large preattack naval bombardment, both forces hit the Imperial 2nd Army doing 4 SP in damage. The enemy breaks and retreats towards the western point of the island. General Kanda’s exposed HQ is then hit with overwhelming force from Naval, Air and the 5th Marine Division. Giving as good as they got, the enemy HQ retreats after both sides took a 2 SP loss. (Playing Japan, I should have put in two coastal defense positions in these landing areas – it is a low-cost way to make a difference).

With US forces unable to advance into Rabaul, the 77th Division lands unopposed to block the enemy from retaking the port. Once ashore, supported by air and naval units, the division overruns what's left of the Japanese 2nd Army causing their destruction. (Because the unit was out of supply, and with nowhere to retreat, the 2nd Army surrendered rather than shattered – this means they will not reappear as reinforcements.)

The CVL Boise with expanded supply capabilities leads a small Task Force to resupply US forces on New Britain. This will supplement existing stocks until a supply line can be established. To the south a wolfpack of three UK submarines blockade the port of Munda attempting to trap an escaping enemy air unit.

West Coast
The CV Hancock and a squadron of A-20 Havocs arrive in the west coast and continue on to Australia. Since “loops” are still in play they should arrive next turn.




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RE: Allied: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:42:00 AM   
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RE: Allied: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:19:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if the allies are getting the best use for their CV fleet. They have been awfully quiet and not gone out to do damage to the Empire of Japan. Perhaps go out convoy raiding or something to tempt Japan into countering? Each turn the Japanese CVs don't have to sail they get to neutralize the US fleet and not use any oil. A win for Japan. :)

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RE: Allied: March 12th 1944 - 7/25/2021 1:59:23 PM   
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Currently, on turn 62 both sides hold 19 VP locations, for a total of 38 VPs before the USSR enters the war. I assume when they do, two more VPs will go to the Allies, possibly three if they can take Harbin


I think the Allies receive all the accumulate VP from Russia instantly when they enter the war. Since it is like for only two turns, capturing Harbin is insignificant. But the almost four years of accumulation of VP from their two controlled VP hexes gives the Allies a big 200+ VP boost. I haven't verified this but if I remember correctly from one of my first games against the AI that I did run to the end that is the way it works.

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RE: Allied: April 9th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:04:06 PM   
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Each turn the Japanese CVs don't have to sail they get to neutralize the US fleet and not use any oil. A win for Japan. :)


I agree. That is the strategy I have been using with Japan - maintaining a "fleet in being" to keep the US from splitting their carriers and to defend their holdings in the Philippines. All of this is may change as a Allied supply problem just came up in the Malayan Peninsula.

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RE: Allied: March 12th 1944 - 7/25/2021 3:15:11 PM   
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Currently, on turn 62 both sides hold 19 VP locations, for a total of 38 VPs before the USSR enters the war. I assume when they do, two more VPs will go to the Allies, possibly three if they can take Harbin


I think the Allies receive all the accumulate VP from Russia instantly when they enter the war. Since it is like for only two turns, capturing Harbin is insignificant. But the almost four years of accumulation of VP from their two controlled VP hexes gives the Allies a big 200+ VP boost. I haven't verified this but if I remember correctly from one of my first games against the AI that I did run to the end that is the way it works.


Thanks for the mention of your earlier game. I tracked down the post and read Alvaro's response. It answered my question from the version 1.00.02 release notes speaking to a change in VPs. The 200+ VP boost worries me. If the Allies can hit the operational plan I laid out it will be a close game (Axis:1832 & Allies:1858). With the Axis remaining in the lead until the last two months of the war. If there is a 200 point bonus this greatly changes things.

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Japan: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 10:59:18 PM   
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Indochina
With the retreat of the 16th Army the apex of the line falls to the 12th Army. The line to the north pulls back to tighten up any gaps, buying time until the rains hit. The 19th Division arrives in Haiphong to garrison the city. General Tanaka moves his HQ into Vinh. This area of the line is relatively strong even though Chinese armies are within 50 miles of the important VP city.

East China
Heavy rain hits the whole area. This will bring enemy action to a standstill. Only slight adjustments to the line have been made.




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RE: Japan: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:01:16 PM   
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A decision is made to hold Singapore at all costs. The 21st Brigade moves from Kota Bharu to the airfield south of Kuala Lumpur. The 15th Army moves north to the Pahang River to dig in. General Adachi moves his HQ to the east coast just north of Singapore. Coastal defenses should be complete in a month. If we can hold this position into June the key port and VP city can be kept from Allied use until late in the year.

The beat-up 110th Division moves into Kota Bharu to delay the enemy advance. Air units stand down to save SPs and effectiveness for the major battle coming soon. All that is left to be done is to hope for bad weather.




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RE: Japan: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:04:53 PM   
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All is lost in this area. The enemy will occupy Rabaul this turn and what few forces remain are scattered in the jungles of New Ireland, New Britain and New Guinea. A squadron of Zeros at Munda launch all flyable planes and seek out the US carriers around Rabaul. Following the code of Bushido the pilots are ordered to crash their planes into the high-value targets. The tactic fails as the planes are not equipped with bombs and were not in sufficient number to penetrate the enemy CAP. However the idea of Kamikaze or “Divine Wind” takes hold and may impact future operations.

In game, according to the specialty selection tab this is simulated by doing double damage but taking double causalities. Which differs a bit from the manual which states Kamikazes double Naval Damage but cut strength in half. This is something I look forward to trying as it accurately portrays the higher level of damage done by inexperienced pilots flying obsolete aircraft. In game terms I think it might change the 2 SP damage outcomes to sinking the ship. But with great loss of aircraft.




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RE: Japan: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:06:13 PM   
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Japan: 1 Army. 1 COMINT.
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Allied: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:09:20 PM   
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Indochina
Boston and land-based dive bombers target the positions of the reduced strength 16th Army. Following the bombardment, the Indian 7th Corps continues to push the enemy south to the Ping River. The road is open to Udan Thani. To the west, the newly created Indian 6th Corps crosses the Irrawaddy River heading for the front.

East China
The intensity of rain increases along the line. Movement is greatly impaired and no action is taken. Equipment and war supply continues to flow from India, both over the hump and along the Burma Road. The Chinese army has filled out but is still using obsolete equipment.

Convoy Attacks
Nine attacks are made against enemy convoys sinking 4 Merchant Marine with four airstrikes responsible for two of them. In the South China Sea the Mingo gets its first kill. The Skipjack on war patrol in the East China Sea sinks another freighter raising her total kills to eleven MM and one Escort, matching the performance of the Devilfish.




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RE: Allied: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:11:07 PM   
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The US 3rd and 4th Corps assault the beat-up 110th Division in Kota Bharu. The enemy, supported by Judy dive-bombers from Saigon, is soon surrounded and destroyed. The port is now in allied control, which is a very good thing as Murphy's law strikes again. Allied supply has drastically reduced in the area.

US units on the Malayan Peninsula have basic supply only, which means effectiveness will only increase by 3 percent per turn. This will bring the offensive to a halt unless a solution can be found. And with the rainy season starting in a month, the setback could not have happened at a worse time. Rather than return to port as planned, the US carriers refuel from Oilers and steam full speed ahead through the Java Sea. They will be offshore of Singapore in a week. The British Main fleet is refueling and refitting in the port of Colombo in Ceylon. They will steam to the west coast of the Malayan Peninsula and should arrive offshore of Kuala Lumpur in a couple of weeks. Joining the US 5th Fleet, the intent is to shut down supply to all Japanese forces in the area.




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RE: Allied: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:12:20 PM   
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With the 5th Marine Division occupying Rabaul the island is all but secure. General Kanda has retreated to Cape Gloucester and the US 77th Division prepares for the final assault. The CVL Boise leading a small Task Force continues to land supplies on the northern beachheads to beef up the readiness of the Marine and Army units. With matters well in hand, the US 5th Fleet leaves the area heading to the Malayan Peninsula. They are spotted by the enemy and prepare for enemy air attack.




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RE: Allied: April 23rd 1944 - 7/25/2021 11:13:51 PM   
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Convoys
UK: 20 PPs to India
USA: 10 OPs to India
USA: 25 OPs to UK

Advancements
US technology research is very poor this turn with a total gain of 26 days. This is down dramatically from last turn’s 81-day increase. The US remains behind the curve with 1943 tech as we enter the second quarter of ‘44.




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Japan: May 7th 1944 - 7/26/2021 10:16:05 PM   
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Indochina
The depleted 16th Army regroups in Udan Thani and pushes back into their old positions before the enemy can consolidate in the area. Reinforcements are on the way from the Vinh/Haiphong area. The Thai Army creates another division to help with the defense of Bangkok. They are in the process of receiving upgraded equipment and plan to join the front line within a week. General Tanaka has been transferred to the Mekong Delta area to take charge of the newly created Saigon Defense Force. Japanese air units are massed in nearby airfields secured by the 11th army and two divisions.

East China
The weather has cleared in eastern China. The line is very weak in the north and a couple of divisions need to be scraped up to help in this area. (I made a mistake not filling out the divisions I used to protect the supply lines during the period of offensive operations. Failing to do so has caused the line to be weaker than it should be. And now I am playing catchup when the SPs are drastically needed elsewhere.)




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RE: Japan: May 7th 1944 - 7/26/2021 10:19:43 PM   
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With the full US CV force in the Java Sea, Singapore braces for attack. A6m3s relocate from the peninsula to Sumatra and Indochina. Betty bombers (Naval Air) leave Singapore to rebase at Bandar Lampung. All forces in the battle zone switch to garrison mode and dig-in to fixed positions. There is no plan to retreat - all are expected to hold to the end. (I doubt the new garrison change adding +2 to guns will take effect on an older version of the game. It will be a bonus if it does. However, by switching to garrison and not retreating, the PPs gained from the switch will not be lost. The tradeoff is there will be no counterattacks.)

Utilizing a strategy first tried in the Solomons, some Betty bombers are loaded with extra ordinance and used as Kamikazes to strike the US Fleet. Approaching from the west the sortie is intercepted by P-38s from Borneo which causes a loss of 4 SPs with no enemy causalities. Continuing towards their targets the planes encounter heavy CAP and Ack-Ack over the enemy fleet. An additional 4 SPs fall from the sky before they can hit a carrier. (Instead of a “Divine Wind” this was more like a “soft breeze”. I will try to rebuild the Kamikazes giving them another shot.)

New Britain
General Kanda and the last remaining troops are dug-in around Cape Gloucester. They are out of supply and down to 29% effectiveness. If not attacked they might last a month.




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RE: Japan: May 7th 1944 - 7/26/2021 10:21:13 PM   
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Japan: No builds. Increased replacements from 180 to 300 prioritizing air units.

Advancements
Technology improved by 56 days in all advancements. Five items are maxed with two unused research points. Rather than assign them out, I am limiting the categories to just what is needed. It will be interesting to see if this helps the advancement rate. Japan is already ahead of the US, using six items from the start of the game as opposed to the Allies seven. It is probably more effective to focus on less advancements.




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Allied: May 7th 1944 - 7/26/2021 10:26:41 PM   
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Indochina
Multiple Anglo-Indian airstrikes target positions of the dug-in Japanese 12th Army at railroad bend in the apex of the line. The British 11th Corps with the Indian 1st and 7th Corps launch the first of many assaults and are easily pushed back. Three more attacks are necessary before the enemy defense crumbles, with what's left of the 12th Army retreating to the Ping River. Losses are very heavy on both sides with a total of 14 Anglo-Indian SPs lost compared to the 13 SPs of the 12th Army. Tactically this is an Allied win as the enemy unit is all but destroyed. Strategically Japan is two turns away from the rainy season. Bangkok and Saigon should hold until late in the year.




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RE: Allied: May 7th 1944 - 7/26/2021 10:30:42 PM   
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The good weather continues and will probably do so for months. The Red Army to the north goes on the offensive pushing the enemy back 50 miles along the Yellow River. West of Kweiyang the 7th and 10th Armies hit positions of the Japanese 11th and 12th Brigades. The enemy is stubborn and holds their ground. After four assaults the Chinese successfully push back the Japanese infantry. Four SPs are lost by each side, with the causalities spread among the two Chinese armies. The 12th Army moves into the breach and puts the Japanese 13th Brigade in a pocket. This is important as the enemy unit is securing the important agriculture facilities along the Hongshui River.

Convoy Attacks
Ten convoy attacks happened in the last turn. Four from air units sinking 4 Merchant Marine. In the South China Sea, the Tang sinks two freighters and has an unconfirmed kill on an escorting destroyer. Two hundred miles north the Pike sinks a freighter escaping unharmed. In the East China Sea the Bonefish successfully sinks a Merchant Marine without taking damage.

That is five kills including the escort with no damage to the subs. I think the Escorts are sinking as indicated even if they still show as protecting the convoys.




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