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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/4/2021 4:18:39 PM   
melnibonian

 

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First of all fantastic work. I can't wait to try it.

Regarding the trees both versions are nice. Personally I actually like the one on the right (I know I know I am a minority ) so I suggest if possible to include both options and let users chose the one they prefer.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/4/2021 4:41:57 PM   
vilcum

 

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All looks very nice. Personally I'd tone down the swamp background a bit, its a bit too much contrast with the clear terrain. I prefer Overkill's trees, again perhaps mute the colours a bit more? I just prefer the old faded map look.

Tip for the railroads: add a pixel or two around the lines in the art tiles. This creates clearings through the forests which helps them stand out. It does create a sort of causeway across rivers, but I quite like that - I can claim its a bridge.

Thanks for the work so far


Thanks to all of you for your advive!, I really appreciate your time and help.

Overkill´s Pretty trees will remain as the base forest(all credit to his fantastic work).

the first "bordered rivers" were too light indeed I will release the final mod with the current ones and a easy way to use stock ones.

I LOVE the railroad path idea...now time to see if I can find the correct balance... here is the first try at it, I only changed single lines, and only with no logistic filter (so only the black version) I probably will change double ones too if the effect is right.

I will try to make cityes more visual, as for the swamps I really like them being darker than clear but will make some probes at it.














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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/4/2021 4:56:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is my current version of your mod with vanilla rivers and mountains.

http://puu.sh/HMfXh/25ec9b7c9a.png

I like it!

I like what your doing with the rail lines. The swamp is fine the way it is IMO.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/4/2021 5:29:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		@vilcum: It is looking a lot better like this. Looking forward to seeing the other versions. Maybe look into changing the city/town names so they are also a bit more visible.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/4/2021 7:56:37 PM   
OberGeneral

 

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 10:18:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would it be possible to "highlight" the text and maybe the railroads with a lighter color like in the Jison map for WitE1
Also I like the darker swamps as swamps have more vegetation than open terrain. Not sure if I prefer the original swamp because I think as it fit more with the top down naturalistic look.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 10:47:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Much better with these cut of trees and rails!

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 2:53:53 PM   
vilcum

 

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Status: offline 		Just finished sending the lumberjacks to double lines, and to somewhat fiish smoothly single ones. Also increase saturation on towns (they were really pale)

As for the names , there is little I can do, it seems you cannot change font COLOR (this map would really need white/clear fonts)...
I tested some strange highlighted ones but they are too intrusive to my like (included some tests in the screenshot)








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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 5:36:03 PM   
OberGeneral

 

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Status: offline 		I am leaning towards the one on the bottom right.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 6:21:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree white lettering would be best, so I posted this as a suggestion in the Bright Ideas thread of the Dev section. No promises, but at least the question is raised. Personally the bottom right ones to me are a big 'no'. Too overwhelming.

I love the overall look of the map, and the way the single line track is coming out now. One small bit of nitpicking: where lines cross they are not connecting now, which looks a bit off.



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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 6:41:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		@vilcum: The rails are much easier to see now and the cities are looking better too. The names are still a problem and i think I agree with you that changing the color would be the solution. Maybe the devs can chip in on if that is possible.

I must say, I really like the way jisons map dealt with city and river names. Very easy to read and fits right in with the map. The current alternatives are not very appealing, but that is ofc not your fault. Keep up the great work!

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 7:05:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		@vilcum: great!

but the name of the river are too light, often quite invisible... and rivers are important!

thanks

regards

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/5/2021 8:56:14 PM   
OberGeneral

 

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Status: offline 		Upon further review I agree with you the bottom right was is definitely a big no no.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 12:05:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hagar
One small bit of nitpicking: where lines cross they are not connecting now, which looks a bit off.


good sight sir!, thanks for comenting, I gives another round to all lines to lessen that effect, it will appear sometimes but much less than in first version (test included)


I finished mountains, now they show snow when appropiate -in fact the stock version only in ls/sn/Bl and the brown in any other weather)

Painted an alternative ferry, and I show you here both of them side to side to ask your oppinion

On the other hand I will left fonts untouched, hoping for it being colour modifiable sometime in the future, feel free of trying yourselves with the font of your choosing for cityes and rivers







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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 12:12:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		The map is getting better now with the lumberjack job. Still, the text is hard to read. When looking at the Pretty Trees mod the forest colors are much more pale and the text is easy to read. Maybe experimenting doing similar.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 12:49:28 AM   
vilcum

 

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ORIGINAL: beamslam

The map is getting better now with the lumberjack job. Still, the text is hard to read. When looking at the Pretty Trees mod the forest colors are much more pale and the text is easy to read. Maybe experimenting doing similar.


In fact , as the forest and woods of this map uses the Tiles of Overkill´s prettytrees you can install both mods at same time (prettytrees over this one) and as you say, names are readed much better. the result is too pale for my liking during clear time but it works asa you can see in the picture on the right




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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 8:14:27 AM   
vilcum

 

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I feel comfortable with the current state of the map as to share with you all again

Links and notes updated on first post.

I will keep work on it specially for bugs in individual tiles/weather conditions, other posible future additions are

- coastline /coastal waters modification
- alternative trees model colour for better names display.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 9:31:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vilcum

Rainmap v 1.0 released

I feel comfortable with the current state of the map as to share with you all again

Links and notes updated on first post.

I will keep work on it specially for bugs in individual tiles/weather conditions, other posible future additions are

- coastline /coastal waters modification
- alternative trees model colour for better names display.

I am looking forward to test your ne update, thanks for your work!

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 9:54:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vilcum

As for the names , there is little I can do, it seems you cannot change font COLOR (this map would really need white/clear fonts)...



Incorrect - just create a new Text Profile and change the colours allocated to it. You can set the colour by zoom level, transparency by zoom and outline.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 10:15:14 AM   
briklebritt

 

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Status: offline 		vilcum, could you please upload a version with the trees on the right image? I do not like these high contrast trees on the left. Thanks for this nice looking map!


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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 10:44:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Splendid work - and I know just how much effort is involved in fixing the rail lines. I prefer the muted trees on the right - but as you say, that's an option that just needs an install of standard Pretty Trees.

To be really nitpicky, I'd remove or tone down the birders on minor rivers - but there is a point where one has to say that's it, if you want further changes do them yourselves!

Thanks

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 11:05:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vilcum

As for the names , there is little I can do, it seems you cannot change font COLOR (this map would really need white/clear fonts)...



Incorrect - just create a new Text Profile and change the colours allocated to it. You can set the colour by zoom level, transparency by zoom and outline.


Please elaborate more. Can't figure out where to create the Text Profile and Edit it.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 11:13:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: vilcum

Rainmap v 1.0 released

I feel comfortable with the current state of the map as to share with you all again

Links and notes updated on first post.

I will keep work on it specially for bugs in individual tiles/weather conditions, other posible future additions are

- coastline /coastal waters modification
- alternative trees model colour for better names display.


Thank you vilcum for the mod which looks very beautiful! I want to try but could not download it. Is the link or setting in order?

[Edit: I can download the mod with the workaround suggested by Nerconiglio, i.e. copy and paste the link in a new tab.]

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 11:31:23 AM   
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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 11:58:05 AM   
Hagar

 

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Status: offline 		I got some feedback from RedLancer regarding the use of a different font color:
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It's easy to change the colour - just create a new profile for the font with a different colour.


Edit: Ah, just noticed his feedback a few posts above. Anyway, it should be doable to use another color than black.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 12:32:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlbhung


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ORIGINAL: RedLancer


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ORIGINAL: vilcum

As for the names , there is little I can do, it seems you cannot change font COLOR (this map would really need white/clear fonts)...



Incorrect - just create a new Text Profile and change the colours allocated to it. You can set the colour by zoom level, transparency by zoom and outline.


Please elaborate more. Can't figure out where to create the Text Profile and Edit it.






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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 1:15:52 PM   
jlbhung

 

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 1:41:34 PM   
vilcum

 

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ORIGINAL: vilcum

As for the names , there is little I can do, it seems you cannot change font COLOR (this map would really need white/clear fonts)...



Incorrect - just create a new Text Profile and change the colours allocated to it. You can set the colour by zoom level, transparency by zoom and outline.


WOW! THANKS SIR! will try it`

EDIT: seems I have modifying the map with a hand tied on my back...as I were unable to access to map editor..... I only found the reference to "press ¬ key on map"... but my spanish keyboard doesn´t even have that key



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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 2:22:13 PM   
OberGeneral

 

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Status: offline 		Thank you very much for all the hard work you put into this mod.
Fully installed and looking good so far.

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RE: "Memories of the rain" - MAP - 6/6/2021 2:54:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just want to give a big thank you to vilcum for all of his hard work. You've turned a very good game with sub-par map graphics in a very good game with excellent map graphics (just my opinion). People have been trying for years now (ever since War in the West was published) to modify the map tiles with varying degrees of success, but you've managed a breakthrough. As an added bonus, I've discovered that this mod is 99% compatible with War in The West map as well. Very well done sir!

Now all we need is a manual covering the game editor, revealing all of it's nuances and new features added since WiTW. I understand it's planned, and maybe even being worked on now, so there's even more to look forward to.

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