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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/19/2021 5:42:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I need to clear the two pockets quickly to free 17 Army to support 1 Pz Grp. 6 Army will advance on Kiev.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/19/2021 5:43:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Army Grp Anton – The Rumanian units of 3 Rum Army are supporting AGS with reducing the pockets, while 4 Rum Army continues to chase the Russian units in the Odessa direction. XI Corps and the Rum Cavalry Corps continue to push eastward into open space.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/19/2021 5:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Air War – I continue to lose recon planes at too high of a rate. I lost 47 this turn. I must rest them next turn if possible. The Russians continued with focused interdiction missions aimed at 4 Pz Grp’s and LVII Mot Corps. The Russian bombers only lost 96 bombers, even though JG 53 was stationed in Polotsk a mere 20-30 km away.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 2:14:46 AM   
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Air War – I continue to lose recon planes at too high of a rate. I lost 47 this turn. I must rest them next turn if possible. The Russians continued with focused interdiction missions aimed at 4 Pz Grp’s and LVII Mot Corps. The Russian bombers only lost 96 bombers, even though JG 53 was stationed in Polotsk a mere 20-30 km away.







Do you have your last Air Directive you used for this turn?

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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 4:34:31 AM   
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Air War – I continue to lose recon planes at too high of a rate. I lost 47 this turn. I must rest them next turn if possible. The Russians continued with focused interdiction missions aimed at 4 Pz Grp’s and LVII Mot Corps. The Russian bombers only lost 96 bombers, even though JG 53 was stationed in Polotsk a mere 20-30 km away.







Do you have your last Air Directive you used for this turn?


I don't, but I have not changed the settings since turn 1, and didn't fly any missions this turn except a few ground support. Do you think my issue is in the settings?

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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 7:02:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		TURN 5

AGN – XXXVIII Corps and 101 Sec move northward into Estonia and meet no resistance. Parnu falls without a fight, which should help the supply situation for XXXVIII Corps which will be tasked with clearing up to Tallinn.
Pskov is defended by a border regiment and two unknown units. I am tempted to try a direct assault, as there is still a VP bonus, and I Corps has moved into position.

4 Pz Grp has rested for a turn, and has gained some prep points and reduced its fatigue. While I am tempted to rest Hoepner’s panzers another turn and allow XXVIII Corps (16 A) to move up and make the initial assault next turn, I think that may be too slow. If possible, I would like to see 4 Pz Grp move to Shimsk before the Russians can bring in more troops. After much consideration, 4 Pz Grp pushed northeast and captured Shimsk. However, resistance was stiff and one lone Russian division resisted two assaults from the march, and Totenkopf was forced to clear the division. This attack will really necessitate a pause for 4 Pz Grp. I will need to wait for 16 Army to bring up its infantry before more progress can be made.
On the Brightside Pskov was successfully assaulted by I Corps. But none of the I Corps divisions had any movement left to occupy the city, so I am unsure if I will immediately lose the VPs if it is re-occupied by the Russians.

Sadly the Russians were able to relieve the Idritsa Pocket. This is an unfortunate time waste, and is tying up two whole Corps from 16 Army. If it was a smaller pocket, I could have probably moved off with one of the corps. X Corps was tasked with garrisoning Velikie Luki, to free 12 Pz Div, while maintaining the northeast portion of the pocket.








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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 7:05:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGC – As predicted, the Russian defenses in the land bridge have pulled back and abandoned Vitebsk without a fight. The Russians were also able to relieve the Mogilev pocket at Krichev (but not at the big gap where I was concerned last turn). 9 Army is still moving toward the front lines, and I will send two corps into the land bridge while one corps approaches Smolensk from the south and one from the north of Vitebsk.

3 Pz Grp will rest this turn, and allow the infantry to make the initial assaults next turn. This may be a little conservative, but I am trying to conserve the panzers as much as possible. Additionally, LIII Corps (2 PG) will move toward Smolensk from the south and be prepared to open the way with the 9 Army infantry next turn.







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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 7:06:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		2 Pz Grp closed the Russian penetration, thus sealing the Mogilev Pocket once again. XII Corps (2 PG) captured Gomel without a fight, while the 4 Army infantry sealed the southwestern portion of the pocket and pushed forces forward toward Gomel. XXXXVI Mot Corps rested this turn, and I have ideas of using it to swing south and cut in behind the Russian forces defending Kiev. However, I will only consider this diversion if there is a chance of bagging a lot of Russian forces.

The 1 Cav Div and 102 Security continue to clear the rail line and northern part of the marshes and 2 Army hurries forward.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 7:08:19 AM   
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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 7:09:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGS – My plan is to have 6 Army push for Kiev while 1 Pz Grp moves directly eastward and looks for a crossing at Cherkassy or a bit further east. 16 Army will be tied up reducing the final two pockets so 1 Pz Grp will need to be a bit more cautious on its moves east as it has no supporting infantry.

The pocket reductions are moving along at a good clip, just a few divisions left in the final of the three initial pockets. The Rum Cav Corps and XXXXVI Mot Corps isolated a few divisions forming a defense in front of XI Corps (11 A). The Russian defenses in the south seem to have become unhinged, although there is still be a strong concentration around Kiev, but very little south or along the Dnepr. XIV Mot Corps raced ahead and captured Cherkassy, but they lacked movement range due to petrol shortages as they are far from their depot. I am going to keep III Mot Corps in reserve and allow the panzers a little rest, while also being ready to commit the corps to assist 6 Army as it closes in on Kiev.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 7:10:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Grp Anton – In the far south, the Rumanians and 11 Army will continue to pursue the retreating Russians as they close in on Odessa.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 7:11:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Air War - I lost quite a few fighters this turn. I believe it was from using lots of ground support in aid of 4 Pz Grp’s ill-fated offensive… I also transferred Flieger Fuehrer Ostee south to prepare for the siege of Odessa.

The Russians took a turn off from the interdiction attacks on the panzer spearheads.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:33:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		TURN 6

AGN - Things are looking rough in the north, I am not sure AGN will be able to make much progress, especially with most of 16 Army still fighting around Idritsa. I will pause this turn, making only a few clearing attacks as XXVI Corps (18 A) is just now arriving south of Pskov and to give the 16 A units around Idritsa time to finish off the pocket and move north. XXXXI Mot Corps pulled back closer to Pskov with the idea of attacking up the main rail line to Leningrad next turn, with a possible link up with LVI Mot Corps attacking out of the Shimsk area.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:34:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		AGC – Things look a little better in the center, but the Russians have a solid line from Usvyat to Smolensk and then south to Pochinok. Looks like I will miss the VP bonus for Smolensk.

I had planned to use VI Corps (9 A) to attack from the north toward Smolensk, but elected to use the corps to hold Velikie Luki and screen the left flank of 3 Pz Grp and the rest of 9 Army as they move into the land bridge and south of Smolensk. All of 3 Pz Grp rested this turn.







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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:35:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		After clearing a few outlying divisions, XXXXIII Corps (4 A) made two assaults on Mogilev and failed to dislodge the defenders. XXXXVII Mot Corps advanced on Bryansk, but fuel shortages are affecting its mobility. XXXXVI Mot Corps moved up in support to the south west of XXXXVII Mot Corps and XII Corps moves up behind the two panzer corps.

Finally 2 Army is just now beginning to cross the Dnepr at Zhlobin. Everything feels slow in the center this turn, the supply system is stretched thin with Minsk still acting as the main supply hub, and the advance feels like a crawl now.







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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:36:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		AGS – In the south the Russians are pulling out of Kiev toward the east, most likely worried about the panzers of XIV Mot Corps on their left at Cherkassy. 6 Army continues its approach toward Kiev, as 17 Army assists in some clearing of a few isolated Russian divisions and moves directly east in support of 1 Pz Grp.

It feels like a real decision point in the south. The majority of the Russian forces in the south appear to be in or around Kiev. This grouping is clearly attempting to move back eastward while screening the Cherkassy bridgehead. There seem to be no forces to speak of in the Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye operation direction. My first thought is to drive directly for Kharkov, thus cutting the units in Kiev off from the east. However, the two infantry corps attached to 1 Pz Grp has just arrived south of Cherkassy, so I would have no infantry support, and would be need to drop off panzer or motorized infantry regiments along the route to protect from the Russian forces leaving Kiev. In addition, 2 Pz Grp’s supply issues will prevent help from the north in trying to make a huge pocket of the troops around Kiev.

Thus I am going to try to trick the Russians with a little deception. I have moved up several motorized infantry units, attached directly to 1 Pz Grp (G.D. Mot. Rgt, LAH SS, SL Mobile Grp and RFSS), and taken up positions south of the Russian units north of Cherkassy. My hope is that the Russians will believe this is my intended crossing point, and bring up even more forces in opposition. In the meantime, 1 Pz Grp has concentrated at Kirovograd and I have brought III Mot Corps up from its positions south of Kiev. Next turn, I will make a dash for Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye with the option of crossing the Dnepr further east of Cherkassy if necessary and move on Kharkov.

If the Russians fail to respond to my deception, I can always make the lunge toward Kharkov next turn, and have some supporting infantry.







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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Grp Anton – Odessa is isolated this turn as 3 and 4 Rum Armies continue to head east with no opposition. Odessa does not seem well garrisoned, so I only moved one corps from 11 Army down to storm the city. I have attached the siege artillery to LIV Corps and they will assault the city next turn. II Rum Corps will also participate in the assault.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:38:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Air War – I flew several recon missions in each sector with limited results. The Russian air forced stayed home.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:38:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Losses - Since this turn really felt like a pause, here are the losses to date for each side…






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/20/2021 9:39:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Different losses chart:






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/21/2021 7:11:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		You need to run naval patrol around Odessa to fully isolate it.

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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/21/2021 2:04:12 PM   
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You need to run naval patrol around Odessa to fully isolate it.


Thanks for the reminder. I transferred Flieger Fuehrer Ostee south for that purpose last turn. Although, I feel like the Romanian AF could have done it on its own.

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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/21/2021 2:48:05 PM   
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You need to run naval patrol around Odessa to fully isolate it.


Thanks for the reminder. I transferred Flieger Fuehrer Ostee south for that purpose last turn. Although, I feel like the Romanian AF could have done it on its own.


I'd say not, naval interdiction is best done using either a mine or torpedo load out ... don't think these are available to the Rumanians but all the German LB have this option.

Just don't forget to return them to bombs when you redeploy - in WiTW I once forgot and wondered why my Wellingtons were having such little effect till I realised they were dropping mines on railyards

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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/22/2021 5:59:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		TURN 7

AGN – The Russians pulled back to a line basically running from Gdov to Shimsk. 16 and 18 Army moved north and made contact with the Russian line, but no attacks were made. I could rest Hoepner’s panzers another turn, but I suspect the Russians will just pull back again, so I will attempt to breach the line north of Shimsk toward Novgorod and along the main rail line.

The attack was a poor choice in retrospect, as neither motorized corps of 4 Pz Grp made its objective. I will have to let the infantry continue the advance next turn.









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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/22/2021 6:00:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGC – The Russians have pulled back their main line of defense from Smolensk, while leaving a strong garrison in the city. There is no rush to take the city, so 9 Army units move up to the city this turn, and I will look to isolate it before any assault.

Orsha is now a depot and connected to the rail line. I will try to make it a super depot and have left FBD 3 in the city.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/22/2021 6:02:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		XXXXIII Corps was able to capture Mogilev this turn, although one of its defending divisions retreated across the river rather than surrender. Finally, 3 Pz Grp has moved up on both flanks of the city in preparation of attacks to the north and south of Smolensk if the Russians attempt to hold the line next turn.

To the south of Smolensk, 4 Army reduced the final two small pockets and is moving east and the Russians have moved new units in to defend Bryansk. Unfortunately, 2 Pz Grp is still low on supply, and after what happened up in AGN sector with 4 Pz Grp, they will not try to force their way into Bryansk. Instead XII Corps (2 PG) will be tasked with taking the city. The XXXXVI Mot Corps advanced directly east with no opposition and will be within striking distance of Kursk if the supply situation improves. XXIV Mot Corps needed to rest this turn, but with developments in the south, they moved in behind XXXXVI Mot Corps in case the big Kiev encirclement operation becomes a reality.

2 Army is continuing to move east behind 2 Pz Grp, and hopefully will come as a surprise to the Russians when it is finally committed.

At the far south flank of AGC, the Russians snuck a division through VII Corps (4 A) lines and captured Gomel.







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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/22/2021 6:03:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		AGS – The Russians still have a strong defense at Kiev and along the Dnepr south of Kiev to the 1 Pz Gp positions at Cherkassy. While 6 Army is still clearing scattered Russian division to the west of Kiev, LV and XXXXIV Corps have finally reached the main Russian line to the south of the city.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/22/2021 6:05:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure if the Russians were fooled by the deception operation north of Cherkassy, but 1 SL Mobile Bde was attacked three times and suffered significant losses. LI Corps (1 PG) moved up and relieved the 1 Pz Grp mobile units, and XXIX Corps (1 PG) crossed the Dnepr west of Kremenchug in preparation to support any thrust northeast toward Kharkov. 1 Pz Grp is still short on supplies, but a thrust north to meet 2 Pz Grp around Sumy is becoming more and more tempting.

III Mot Corps advanced up the minor rail line to Poltava with LAH Mot Bde and the Mobile HU Corps providing flank security. At the same time, XXXXVIII Mot Corps advanced to the outskirts of Dnepropetrovsk.

The real decision point for 1 Pz Grp this turn is where to send XIV Mot Corps. They can move to Kremenchug, thus being able to either swing north in support of the push toward Kharkov or east in the attack on Dnepropetrovsk. This seems the safest idea. Or they could support one or the other of these advances to the exclusion of the other. Finally, XIV Mot Corps could push east and then hook right to isolate three or four Russian divisions around Aleksanddriya. The benefits to this move are twofold, to isolate several Russian divisions and to push the defenders along the Ingul River southward as they flee rather than directly east into the Zaporozhye area.

It feels like I am trying to do too much with 1 Pz Grp, as each panzer corps is off doing its own thing, but trapping a few more divisions is just too tempting, so XIV Mot Corps is sent down to pocket the Russian divisions around Aleksanddriya. The only consolation is they should be able to support XXXXVIII Mot Corps from the south. Sadly, there were two Russian cavalry divisions in reserve which had to be cleared, so the southern swing didn’t actually isolate the Russians this turn.







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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/22/2021 6:06:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		AG Anton – The Russians have formed a new defensive line along the Ingul River north from Nikolaev to Novy Bug. The 4 Rum Army advanced up to this new line, while 3 Rum Army will attempt to skirt the line to the north of Novy Bug. The Rum Cav Corps attempted to push around the line, but ran into a strong defensive position at Krivoi Rog. 11 Army moved up in support of the 4 Rum Army units and will force the river line if necessary.






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RE: SCAR (Axis) vs. AURELIAN (Soviet) - 7/22/2021 6:07:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		The assault on Odessa by LIV Corps and II Rum Corps was successful, but losses were high. However, this should help with the supply situation as the Rum Railroad Cmd was close to Odessa and connected the rail line this turn.






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