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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/31/2021 10:41:42 AM   
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Yugo falls to the Italians, Hungary and Romania joins Axis. Very little action in Africa so far. Mogadishu was taken by the British a few turns back and few towns in Ethiopia but no push has been made toward Addis Ababa.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/31/2021 4:04:41 PM   
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Italy declares war on Greece (via decision). UK sends forces in the theather to strengthen Greek defenders resolve. Japanese making small but constant gain in china.






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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/31/2021 5:21:28 PM   
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Italy progress in Greece, General Papagos almost captured. Japan makes gains in Asia. USA draws closer to war (+8% diplohit) mobilization sitting in the mid-80s... Troops are massing on the USSR border...

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/31/2021 7:19:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		At my opponent request I will explain how the "KZ diplopush" works.

Diplomacy is rarely done towards major countries because it cost 150mpp instead of the standard 50mp. My contention us that it can be beneficial for allies to maximize diplomatic involvement toward the USA or the Soviet. How does it work? Each diplochits grant a 5% possibility of an increase in mobilization (4-8% for majors) and they add up across countries. France (3) and UK (5) buying all USA diplochits would mean a 40% chance for the USA to increase its mobilization. There is one quirk in the diplomacy mechanic of all Strategic Command games is that each time a diplomatic hit is achieved the Diplochit that is consumed is always the one of the power that has the most diplochit toward the target. So if France, UK, India and China all buys diplochits to their maximum, only the UK ones would be expended. This is crucial because France, China and India wouldn't really be able to buy more if their diplochits were consumed. UK on the other hand can and its ally contribution can send the odds of increase quite high.

Diplochits don't really work well with low number or spread out but concentrated on a single target it can be very effective. In this game, France, UK and China all bought maximum possible chits which put the chance of USA increase to 50%. Had not made a mistake in regards to India, I could added their two chits as well.

How to counter it?

1-The Axis buys chits toward the allied target. Each one they buy reduce the odds increase by 5% and with enough chits they can even turn the odds for USA increase in their favor after France surrenders.
2-Axis could go for diplomacy to other countries, Spain and Turkey for example. The allies wouldn't be able to counter their diplomatic efforts because their own commitment towards the USA.

I don't think Axis can really stay idle on the diplomatic front and hope to push France and the UK off the board before USA or the Soviet mobilize too much.


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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/31/2021 10:55:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		An argument can be made that EVERYBODY's chits should be consumed, then.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/31/2021 11:38:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The impact of having the US in the war in early 1941, which it appears will happen here, should be decisive. I don't see how your opponent can win at this point.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 7/31/2021 11:55:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Elessar2

An argument can be made that EVERYBODY's chits should be consumed, then.


Further nerf my grand strategy??!?!?! C'mon they already reduced the increase by hits to major since the last game. :P

Bill, Hubert, don't listen to them!

The one thing I think they could change is not giving diplochits to India. I mean, they were run by the UK. How much clout did India had at that time? Certainly not par with China's. Plus the Allies have enough chits to go around.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/1/2021 11:22:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		it seems to me that such spending on diplomacy against experienced players will have sad consequences, especially given the randomness of these events

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/1/2021 11:38:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IIo4Tu

it seems to me that such spending on diplomacy against experienced players will have sad consequences, especially given the randomness of these events


Possibly! But it *has* been used at a high level before. :) Pre-nerf in War in Europe I had finished second of the 2018 Tourney (a single defeat vs human-cyborg Sugar... and it was a close one). Which is why I take credit for the diplo nerf the following game. :P

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/1/2021 12:45:55 PM   
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Greece on the ropes, more troop movement on the USSR border. UK takes abandoned Massawa.

Japanese troops on the frontline have low-ish supply accross the front. Even in the north where there was little to no figthing. Have some of the HQs been sent on transport ships? :P





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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/1/2021 4:18:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		One question: does anyone know why I have disappeared two of the Italian garrisons in Ethiopia?

And, on the other hand, I am overwhelmed by the mobilization of the USA, Japan is going to be overwhelmed without a doubt, and I do not see how I am going to be able to defend the West ... not even the technological advantage will be able to counteract the mass of units that I expect from the USA.



Despite paying for the hazing, I am enjoying and learning a lot.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/2/2021 12:19:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you are referring to the garrison units with the blue base. These are tied to Massawa part of country "Italian East Africa" which is an Italian minor. They will a surrender (along with their country) when Massawa is taken.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/2/2021 8:33:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that has changed ... On previous occasions, against the AI, it was the strategy that I followed and it did not disappear. we keep learning.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/2/2021 9:45:32 AM   
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March 1941

Greece surrender, Malta shelled, Iraq revolts. Italo-german troop advance face each other in egypt but no combat yet.

With the allies in dire strait, USA joins the war...

Soviet at 72% mobilization...

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/2/2021 5:48:08 PM   
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War is declared on the soviet. Latvia and Estonia spared from the fighting. Axis advances in Egypt. The UK army holds having sustained assault by 4 units. Italian surrender in Ethiopia.






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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/2/2021 6:46:57 PM   
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Commonwealth counterattacks in Egypt and the german tank is killed out of supplies. German makes rapid advance in Russia. Baltic still quiet.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/2/2021 7:15:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		How are your research levels? I would think the investment you made in diplomacy would have really hurt UK/China research.

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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/2/2021 7:29:20 PM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/3/2021 11:03:36 AM   
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Bloody fighting in Egypt, an UK army and anti-tank lost. Chinese front stabilizes, Philippine conquered. Stalin isues order 224, not one step back.

Diplo and research spendings so far




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/3/2021 12:43:54 PM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/3/2021 1:09:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rafaelmbaez

This is the reason why in ELO matches is forbidden to diplohit majors.


So one hand some say said 'it would be easy for experts to twart' and on the other some say 'it's too good, it's banned'.


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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/3/2021 3:39:53 PM   
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American planes makes an appearance in Egypt. Iraq taken back from the rebels. Russian fleet makes a sortie in the Baltic but will likely be sunk on the counterpunch. Brunei conquered by Japan. Allies pressuring Sweden to stop trade with Germany. Germany surrounding Smolensk, pushing hard south of Kiev. Russian get inf tech 2.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/3/2021 7:52:37 PM   
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The Russians attempt a desperate tank counter attack to blunt the german spearhead in the south. One tank is destroyed. Dutch East indies are captured. German-Italian forces withdrawing in good order in Egypt. Syria and Estonia conquered by the allies. Fighting in China are at a stalemate no land changed hands for many turns now. Mao has joined the united front. Can their crack troop break the stalemate?




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/5/2021 10:03:39 AM   
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Axis and Allies fighting a stalemate in Egypt, Pavia showing much resilience. For every unit I destroy, he destroys one back. I'll post an update on that front next turn. In Asia, Malaya holds on for now. USA take Iwo Jiwa, marine bombers makes an appearance in the theater... Are the nuclear bombs ready yet? :P

In Russia german have not advanced against Leningrad concentring their push to Moskov and Stalingrad.
Its been hard to get a good pictures in Russia because troops have not been face to face after November engagement. But here's an update.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/5/2021 10:05:19 AM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/5/2021 12:32:45 PM   
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Fighting heats up in the pacific. Japanese land in Iwo Jima, americans rush reinforcements. The main german drive is toward Stalingrad in 1942. Huge tank battle expected next turn...




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/6/2021 11:42:07 AM   
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Bloody fighting in Russia, Egypt and the pacific. In Egypt allied air turn their attention to the Axis HQs... which I should have done million years ago... but that's what battle of the newbs is all about. :P Allies putting HQ on the frontline on that front... are they running out of land units? Allied strategic bomber campaign have reduced most mines in europe. Japan comes out ahead in the naval battle. Look at the casualties so far. Consider that Japan did not Pearl Harbor!




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/6/2021 12:43:41 PM   
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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/6/2021 1:42:32 PM   
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UK carrier task force catch two Italian battleships in port in Malta and north Libya. Savage air war over Egypt, temperature has been clear for a long time.

Germans pour into the Caucasus, Soviet counterattack north of Stalingrad to threathen the thrust to the city. German tank destroyed at the red X.




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RE: Battle of the Noobs - Pavia (Axis) vs KZ (allies) - 8/6/2021 4:13:30 PM   
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Just as the Axis was gaining momentum, they are struck by disaster in Russia. Having committed all its fighters to the egypt front, their massive bomber attacks on Stalingrad front was left unescorted and they were intercepted by Russian fighters. City defender held long enough to deliver the counter blow. Runstedt HQ destroyed in Morozovsk. Front stabilize in egypt but the allies in no position to push out west yet. Russia slowly creeping back in land unit count. Germany and the UK seemingly spending half of their respective budget on refitting air fleets.





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